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10-21-2009, 05:26 AM
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Phil feels the need for speed.
Go Phil! 
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10-28-2009, 06:07 PM
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If you buy a used M96 get the VIN
If you're going to buy a used M96 to replace your blown one, make sure to get the VIN from the car it came out of and the engine case # BEFORE YOU BUY IT. With the VIN you then call your local Porsche Dealership and confirm that the car it came from was indeed delivered with the engine case you are buying. Having the VIN and working forward to get the engine case # is easy. Having the engine case # and working backward to get the VIN is hard.
With the VIN you can then get various reports, on-line, that will provide information about the history of car and the motor came from. It'll tell you if the car it came out of was stolen, track registration history, track milage history, on-line sales efforts, service facilities used , and establish any salvage titles. Call the places that serviced the car, and with the VIN, confirm milage and what was done to the engine.
If the engine seller doesn't have the VIN and the engine case number or won't provide the numbers, walk away. If you are buying on line, make them send you pictures of the engine case numbers and the stampings on the head and cam covers. And by all means if the motor show's up at your doorstep and the engine numbers are different from the one you bought, demand your money back. The price of shipping is cheap.
I didn't just pick these recommendations out of the air. This comes from leaning a very hard and expensive lesson!
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10-30-2009, 07:33 PM
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Some new details today..
The story has gone full circle. Its going to get really good, really soon!
Howdy Phantom!
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10-30-2009, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Brucelee
Phil feels the need for speed.
Go Phil! |
I'm sure crios will slam me for 'ripping' the thread, but I couldn't resist...
Go Phil(lies)!
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11-09-2009, 03:48 AM
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Engine Surgeon
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The behind the scenes work and investigating has paid off.. I guess the Phantom didn't expect Phil and I to take the time out of our busy days to trace every ounce of this engines prior history..
He made several mistakes, one bigger than all the rest.. Just wait till you read this chapter of the book!
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11-09-2009, 07:01 AM
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how were you able to trace the engines history? is there a vin on the engine?
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Originally Posted by Jake Raby
The behind the scenes work and investigating has paid off.. I guess the Phantom didn't expect Phil and I to take the time out of our busy days to trace every ounce of this engines prior history..
He made several mistakes, one bigger than all the rest.. Just wait till you read this chapter of the book!
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11-09-2009, 07:42 AM
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Numbers
There is no VIN on the engine case. The VIN is on the chassis. As I said in my posting on this thread, if you have the VIN, confirming the engine case # is a relatively straight forward matter. Porsche dealerships have a database - Porsche POSES - that allows them to access information about a given car using VIN. If you only have the engine case #, getting the VIN is much harder.
With a VIN you can pull a CarFax. CarFax reports are not always comprehensive, but currently it's the best source. They can contain a lot of information that's handy if you're thinking about buying a used motor.
For example. Right now there's a 3.2L M96 listed for sale on e-bay. The seller says it's from a car that had 200 miles on it. Pulled by Gemballa with some sort upgrade. The listing says it should be selling for >$15000, but he has it listed for $4995. So, the guy's in to charity for Boxster owners with blown motors? I asked the seller for the VIN. Guess what, he didn't have it. Anyone who buys this thing is asking for trouble.
Remember. As long as there is no illegal activity associated with the chassis of the car - the part with the VIN, then there is virtually nothing illegal with any transactions involving auto parts that come from that chassis - almost anything goes. Motors, transmissions or any other high-end part can be patched up and sold with false representation, and there is no criminal legal recourse. If the chassis is stolen, that's another matter.
Last edited by pcs5978; 11-09-2009 at 11:57 AM.
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11-09-2009, 09:13 AM
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Howdy Phantom!
In my best CaddieShack voice, I say "Well, we're waiting"
Great story and education; unfortunately a costly one for those involved.
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2002 Boxster S
1973 911 Green FrankenMeanie
PCA DE Instructor circa '95
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11-10-2009, 04:20 AM
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Again, I want to remind all invovled not to reveal any names of the parties to this transaction. Since there are legal considerations, the forum can take it in the shorts.
So, sanitize the information so that the instructive lessons remain while avoiding this legal calamity we all want to avoid.
Thanks much!
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