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		|  03-26-2007, 09:37 AM | #1 |  
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				 Obviously this is from the advertiser's site so it's a lot of slick marketing, but then again I know basketball players that always wear the same color socks on game day and swear by it.
 
 Synthetic 20W-50 Racing  Oil
 Keeping friction low helps hold down engine wear rates and temperature. Which helps engines last longer. Reducing friction also conserves fuel. But the real benefit of superior friction reduction in a race engine is greater speed. Speed, after all, wins races.
 
 Some of the energy produced by the combustion of the fuel-air mixture is consumed by friction along the way from the combustion chamber to the flywheel  where torque and horsepower are measured. The more energy that escapes  consumption, the more torque and horsepower there is available for moving the car.
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Hes got you there Jim, i dont think an essay will get your past this one.
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		|  03-26-2007, 09:42 AM | #2 |  
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			Oil viscosity is a complex subject.
 In theory, you want just enough oil film and volume to avoid metal to metal contact and to cool the engine.  Too much viscosity and you waste fuel and lose a bit of power.
 
 Too little and you have premature wear or worse.
 
 The 20W-50 MIGHT make sense in some applications but certainly not for Boxster street use.
 
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		|  03-26-2007, 10:25 AM | #3 |  
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				 Oil viscosity is a complex subject.
 In theory, you want just enough oil film and volume to avoid metal to metal contact and to cool the engine.  Too much viscosity and you waste fuel and lose a bit of power.
 
 Too little and you have premature wear or worse.
 
 The 20W-50 MIGHT make sense in some applications but certainly not for Boxster street use.
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Hi,
 
      All true.  Too much viscosity and you don't have good flow.  Also, heavier Oils create more Drag  on the Crank, robbing Power.
 
      15W-50 MB1 is what I use in the Esprit, but it has the much harsher Turbocharged environment to deal with, and it's a 23 y.o. car - the technologies and metalurgies were different then.  And, 15W-50 is what the Manufacturer (Lotus) calls for...
 
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
		 
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		|  03-26-2007, 10:31 AM | #4 |  
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				 Hi,
 All true.  Too much viscosity and you don't have good flow.  Also, heavier Oils create more Drag on the Crank, robbing Power.
 
 15W-50 MB1 is what I use in the Esprit, but it has the much hasher Turbocharged environment to deal with, and it's a 23 y.o. car - the technologies and metalugies were different then.  And, 15W-50 is what the Manufacturer (Lotus) calls for...
 
 Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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Indeed, I am sure the Esprit can use every bit of viscosity in that bad boy!
		 
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		|  03-27-2007, 07:47 PM | #5 |  
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			Guys, Guys Guys...There have been plenty of discussions, testimonials, and studys on oil and its effects on a engine. Documented...Just look for the Oil Bible on the net and read what that study has found on numerous types of oil.
 Really good information.
 
 On a personal note, I use the Lucas additive in my 911, and have specifically noted the effects on the engine after adding it. I notied a noticable drop in oil temp, and increase in oil pressure, this could be from a more consistant viscosity, less foaming etc. But a definate drop in oil temp and that is crucial in a 2.7 motor.
 SMOOTHER....absolutely...now as far a power goes, I will go as far as to say a better response, More power, probably not....even though the motor doesnt have to work as hard to turn the engine over, I dont think you would see a noticible difference.  But definiately a quieter, smoother motor.  Amsoil is about the same thing, the OIL BIBLE tells about it and other oils out there. Very good reading for when you are on the porcelean throne without an excellence mag...
 
 The consenses is that most of these additives are not a bad thing, unless you are breaking in a new motor or a rebuilt one... But since most of us on this board are driving newer cars I will say that keeping a synthetic oil in your motor is very important.... And Mobil 1 is highly rated.
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			The Oil bible is a good doc but the last time I looked, a bit dated.
 I have never seen anything that suggests that Lucas additive adds any value save testimonials.
 
 Likely won't hurt or help but that is MHO.
 
 Try Bob is the oil guy for a very good read on oils.
 
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		|  03-28-2007, 07:33 PM | #7 |  
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			BRUCELEE....you just read my testamonial? Are you saying that I dont count     
The stuff is great and I use 1 quart to every 5 quarts of oil..
 
but since I only hold 14 quarts in my car, I just use 2...
 
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		|  03-26-2007, 10:21 AM | #8 |  
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				 Hes got you there Jim, i dont think an essay will get your past this one. |  
Hi,
 
      Don't know how you figure that.  Aside from stating the obvious, there isn't a whole lot of information there - it's just Hype.
 
      Oil reduces Friction - there's a revelation - Stop the Presses, Film at 11...
 
      A Racing Engine is an entirely different animal - purposely designed to much Looser  tolerances.  A Race Engine develops more, not less Friction.
 
      And remember, we're talking about a comparison of one Oil to another, not whether Oils aren't lubricants.
 
      There's very little friction in the Oil Bearing internals of a car - the Crankshaft, Big-Ends, Small-Ends, Pistons, even the Cam lobes have no metal-to-metal contact, at least in theory.  All these components Float  on a film of Oil.
 
      Again, any quality Oil with the same viscosity will not create any more Power  than any other.  You can think so if you wish, but it's Myth.
 
      A lot of people say that a new Oil makes the Car Smoother or Faster, but their comparison is to another Oil which is used, Broken Down and Dirty, not when that other Oil was new...
 
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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