Tesla Model S Battery Swap Demonstration
 

Tesla Model S Battery Swap Demonstration

Tesla Model S Battery Swap Demonstration

Tesla Model S Battery Swap Demonstration, can they change the battery in less time then filling up a gas tank? watch and see.

This is a novelty car and always will be. There is no way they will ever cover the entire nation let alone the low population areas of states. Yes, this can work in a larger city, but when you live in an area (like I do) 3 hours from the larger cities...it ain't happening. You drive out to small farming communities and the towns between them, you will always find a gas station...you think they will put one here? How about eastern Oregon...they have a hard enough time based on land laws and property ownership rights to keep existing gas stations in place. As I said, this is a novelty car...

"Always" Eric? That's a strong statement. Internal combustion is antiquated, barbaric, and will die...and it won't be a choice. The internal combustion engine will be banned someday...Hopefully within our lifetimes. Mark my words ;)

Electric is the future. I know it's scary, but you'll have to embrace it someday ;)
Electric cars can easily outperform internal combustion, not to mention efficiency. Current Tesla models are pushing 90%+ efficiency, whereas internal combustion efficiency rarely exceeds 20%. Can you say POS? :D

Currently, the only problem is charging. Swapping out batteries like this is clearly not a viable method. The transition will happen more quickly once we come up with a battery that can be charged and discharged very fast. I can tell you that this type is less than 10 years away. ;)

Remember that people had the same negative reaction to the internal combustion engine. They wanted to keep their horse-drawn carriages. It has to start somewhere. People will get over it, they always do. Change is scary, and it hurts peoples feelings. :p

The charger station network is growing exponentially.

EV Charging Stations to Grow to 11 Million by 2020, Pike Research Forecasts | CleanTechnica

And EV stations (unlike a gas station) can be anywhere, has no regulations, and is as simple as a power outlet. The grocery store down the street from me just put an EV station in it's parking lot - and it's free. Gas is dangerous, and is highly regulated and permitted not only due to the danger of fire and explosion, but also because the underground storage containers leak, and are mandated to be replaced at set intervals.

In addition, the batteries are becoming smaller, lighter, and with dramatically increased ranges

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153614-new-lithium-ion-battery-design-thats-2000-times-more-powerful-recharges-1000-times-faster

With a range like that, you will be able to drive from Coast to Coast with one charge, that charge will take about 1 hour, and cost next to nothing.

The Model S is sold out. No novelty about that. Pre-orders for the Tesla SUV are greater than any vehicle in the history of humankind. Tesla is increasing it's production space to increase the output to keep up with demand, and they paid back the loan to the US ahead of schedule.

Europe has a stronger demand for the sold out Model S than in the US.

Report: Tesla Expects To Sell 500,000 Cars, Europe Model S Demand Strong

The best part of a Model S (or nissan Leaf) is, they are sold with chargers. The average person can plug into a standard household socket, and charge for .07cents per kilowatt. That's the same as getting 130mpg of gas.

Overall, electric vehicle sales are predicted to triple within the next 2 years, with Tesla leading the % of the vehicles sold.

I purchased Tesla stock in the 30's, and I will say, the ride to 100 has been novel!

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I will eat my words if this is proven wrong...but when you couple a staggering level of infrastructural requirements not limited to but including power grid upgrades needed, rare earth availability, mining and milling requirements along with environmental considerations (including rules that have yet to be enacted) its not going to happen.

I do not doubt that the car has and is selling well but it is filling a solid niche market. For those early investors this is going to be a boom market and millions will be made by some and lost by others.

Oh and Particle...you haven't hurt my feelings. I love a good discussion as this one clearly has defined points/sides...there is not right or wrong on talking points. The only problem is, it won't be settled anytime soon.

Start eating. They are currently selling home solar power kits specifically for electric car owners - there is very little infrastructural requirements. Some owners are currently fulling charging their vehicles directly from the sun, at home.

It's already happening...and, according to US dept of transportation stats, will continue. Do a little research, you'll get there.:cheers:

Sorry if I came across a little strong. I do have strong feelings about electric technology as it has been my passion and job for 15 years. I agree that there are great hurdles to overcome, but this needs to happen.

Our current modes of transportation and some electric power generation methods are simply not sustainable :(

While you can feel comfortable in the fact they are moving some issues forwards, and solar use currently is on the rise, you failed to consider the other factors that occur behind the scenes that make all of those conveniences you just mentioned happen. Your case for home charging is novel, but it fails the ho ho test when it comes to the cost structure. Your average American family does not and will not have the necessary funds to even come close to being able to enjoy any of the advantages "solar" can provide. Add to this a artificially supported industry (in this case solar) through loans and trade agreements that will be changing in the near term.

Yes you will have sales and yes the numbers may look impressive at first...but look at the market sector that is capitalizing on this and then couple that to the individuals who are buying. They are not your standard American families. With the Tesla it is no different than the exotic car market. Thriving...yes, sales through the roof...yes, do you see them in every driveway and every home? No, it is a niche market that is supported by a specific few and that is the case here as well.

As for my research, I work at one of the leading U.S. National Laboratories (for the last 20 years) which has as one facet of our research the US and Global energy sector. Additionally, we also have a human factors and social science section as well. These groups have and still are looking into many of the topics raised here. Now, it does no good to start spouting papers and research studies as people that have a passionate feeling for a topic tend not to want to hear scientific results. I stand by my comments...:cheers:

And then what happens when the US government finally allow zero point energy patents to flourish ?

Whoa...scary.

No, I did not fail to consider the "Behind the scenes". "Behind the Scenes, the Government offers a 7500 tax credit for those who buy a full ev car, and they are subsidizing the charging stations coast to coast...you are 180 degrees wrong - they are not only NOT adding regulations, they are encouraging the switch. If you did some research first, you'd know that there are zero "behind the scenes factors" hindering ev cars, but rather, aiding them. Behind the scenes, more incentives are projected for electric cars by the government.

Portland a EV-charging haven with no excuse for range anxiety

Behind the scenes, electric companies support ev cars, and have the capacity to keep up with demand:

https://www.sce.com/wps/portal/home/residential/electric-cars/residential-rates/!ut/p/b1/hc5BC4IwHAXwTxR7buL0OEm2v5VmLrNdwkOEkNoh-vwt8FJQvduD34PHHGuZG7tHf-nu_TR211d30SmItTJUg_TeKlC6TAOzIaAIPTh6gC9R-Lc_MPdOYqszT1ZImi0XoZSfQO8kB-VNti7TgCPmM0g0MpOXHthKgESFolZKANEMfpwszDSc2W1o0dNC PQHsmxwA/dl4/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?from=/residential/rates/electric-vehicles.htm

You can drive up the entire east coast in a Tesla S TODAY...people do it everyday! Nothing, NOTHING stands in the way of additional charging stations...regulations "behind the scenes" pushed for expanding the charging network, and it continues to grow

https://www.sce.com/wps/portal/home/residential/electric-cars/residential-rates/!ut/p/b1/hc5BC4IwHAXwTxR7buL0OEm2v5VmLrNdwkOEkNoh-vwt8FJQvduD34PHHGuZG7tHf-nu_TR211d30SmItTJUg_TeKlC6TAOzIaAIPTh6gC9R-Lc_MPdOYqszT1ZImi0XoZSfQO8kB-VNti7TgCPmM0g0MpOXHthKgESFolZKANEMfpwszDSc2W1o0dNC PQHsmxwA/dl4/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?from=/residential/rates/electric-vehicles.htm

All "those conveniences" have been here for the past 5 years. Right now, there are charging stations covering the entire east cost. Instead of your opinion, please, share some links with us that contain data from a university or agency. Nothing in your opinion jibs with any research, facts, data, polls, or "behind the scenes" factors...nothing.

Certainly, you are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion lacks any factual support, in fact, your opinion is so completely opposite of every piece of data that has been released.

As such, you validate my point... I hope you have a good weekend my friend.

no, 180 degrees wrong again. The charts indicating that the charging stations are growing at a fast clip, you can drive the entire east coast, that "behind the scenes" the government is encouraging ev use and charging expansion and the power companies have the capacity to handle the growth does not validate your point...it validates you haven't done your homework.

Here's another link with actual data and facts. The "novelty" as you put it was reviewed by consumer reports:

Tesla Model S: 99/100 On Consumer Reports Test, Best Score Ever | CleanTechnica

This is the highest rated car in the history of cars - the demand for it so great, the stock has skyrockected and the projections show it dramatically increasing over the next 5 years. Calling it a novelty only validates your lack of knowledge in this area.

Enjoy your weekend as well, and if you have some time, do a little research and reading into what Uncle Sam is doing "behind the scenes" to increase EV usage...it's pretty impressive.

I'm with Eric on this one. Electric cars like the Tesla S are a novelty for the 2%'ers. Maybe this will change, maybe not. Its hard to predict the future.

My only additional comment on this subject is about battery manufacturing and battery recycling. I can't imagine a process that is more unfriendly to the environment. Maybe an open pit toxic waste dump - and that's only a maybe.

Anyone who talks about "clean battery recycling" has never actually visited such a facility. Every dangerous chemical has another equally dangerous chemical used to neutralize the first one. Then a third to neutralize the second. Yes, the process produces successively less toxic materials, but the byproducts are also still quite toxic.

The other approach is to throw the whole battery into an incinerator and cook it down to its elemental components. Good idea, except for the poisonous gases that cook off and have to be treated with .... more toxic chemicals.

This is the electric car's dirty secret that no one wants to talk about.

There's nothing to predict -

Report: Tesla Expects To Sell 500,000 Cars, Europe Model S Demand Strong

This novelty has the greatest amount of pre-orders in the history of the known universe, is rated the greatest vehicle ever built by Consumer Reports, and is data takes all the guess work out of predicting the future.

The automotive reviewers and experts are calling it the most important car since the model T.

Hey, we hear you. All I'm saying is that Fisker was supposed to sell a lot of cars too. And the Volt. And the Leaf.

Sales forecasts for electric cars have been proven wrong again and again. Maybe the Model S will break that mold. Maybe not. We'll have to wait and see.

The fisker Consumer reports got broke down before they even took a lap. But the Volt and Leaf sales have seen steady increases -

Electric Vehicles & Electric Car Sales See Steady Increase | VIA Motors

The model S has already broken the mold - they are increasing the factory size and hiring US employers to keep up with demand.

500,000 units is a lotta cars.

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Wait a second! Tesla forecasts 500,000 cars by 2025? Hardly a revolution - still more like a novelty.

Where did you read that?

Electric is the future...period. All nay-sayers need to just get over it :rolleyes:
That Tesla roadster will easily run laps around our cars...and it's only just beginning.

that's just the EU's, and that's an incredible "novelty" of a number:D

I see as many Teslas and Leafs as I see Boxster around town. In the last year they seem to be everywhere. I do think they are aimed at the top 20% of wage earners, which is fine for now.
And many more plugins hybrids, like the Volt and new Prius.
I think it's more realistic for hybrids to take hold, and EU restrictions seem to be pushing auto manufacturers in that direction aggressively.
Don't forget California is requiring that every auto manufacturer have at least 1 in 7 cars sold to be a zero emissions car by 2025, and all the cars sold have to average out at 54.5mpg. They are starting to bring these changes in starting in 2015.

The US will sell approx. 14M cars per year for the next 10 years for a total of 140,000,000.

500K/140M = 0.0036% (that is 3 tenths of 1%) of the US market is definitely a novelty.

The internal combustion engine, steam engine, electronics, the computer you are using right now, skyscrapers, domiciles, the wheel... All "novelties" at some point or another. ;)

Hah! Yes, you have a point, but I meant this kind of novelty - the kind that never catch on. The Segway was fun - for a day - and then its novelty wore off. It was a solution in search of a problem - much like the $75,000 electric car.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6c4c1420.png

Comparing Tesla's to the Segway?!?!
That's just mean spirited! :p

LOL! you are comparing the entire US auto sales to EU autosales....in addition, you are comparing ONE vehicle type to the entire US market.

Tesla expects to sell 500,000 Model S' in Europe. Tell me which car from the US even comes close over the same time frame? I don't believe Ford will sell even close to 500,000 f-150's and Mustangs combined. It's an astounding number ($$it is novel$$), and I believe you won't be able to point to one vehicle from the US being sold in Europe that comes even close to that number.

Here's a little more "Novelty" for you...

Top five luxury cars, first quarter 2013

Tesla Model S, 4,750 US sales January-March
Mercedes-Benz S-Class, 3,077
Lexus LS, 2,860
BMW 7 Series, 2,338
Audi A8, 1,462

Here's even more bad news for you... the % of increase of Telsa S' (based on pre-orders) is expected to INCREASE the gap steadily over the next 2 years, and the 5 year projection is even better.

Sorry Guys, The Model S is the number 1 selling luxury car in America, rated the #1 car ever built, and projected to shatter sales records.

Oh, Cracker Jack!!! :eek:

Novel, indeed! :D


(rednecks in the back grumbling, "grumble, grumble, my truck...grumble, grumble, NASCAR...grumble, grumble, my vroom-vroom")

Someone very wise once wrote...."Don't let stupid spread".:D

All "good-natured" kidding aside, the drivers reviews for the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model S would indicate strong (cult like) support. Nissan Leaf owners are inventing "quick chargers" and performance upgrades to extend range. As you pointed out, battery technology is poised to jump dramatically.

Nothing in any data suggests this is a fad - every piece of data suggests continued growth, more models from more brands, extended range, more charging stations, and continued government tax (and state) tax incentives to drive electric.

My other concern about EV's is the electric company monopoly. If (and that is still a big IF) EV's do become mainstream, I fear that the electric utilities will jack up electricity rates. Demand goes up, supply is constant, therefore prices rise dramatically and all we've done is exchange the oil monopoly for the electric monopoly.

Don't be afraid, thstone, your electric company fears have as much merit as calling the #1 selling luxury car in the US a novelty!

Currently, most electric companies offer discounted rates for ev cars (.07cents/kwh). In addition, companies are selling direct charge solar units that bypass the expense of wiring a solar system thru your house. Many of these solar units are portable. The next generation of panels are so efficient, you can store two days worth of power from a 12 hour day of sun.

If you did have your solar thru your house, you could sell your spare power back to the "monopoly" that you are fearful of.

The solar charging for ev use has been around for years. Hundreds of Nissan leaf owners and Tesla owners are doing it right now as you type.

Not to jump into this too late, but......

While the exact version of the Tesla/leaf/plug in Prius may not be the future, they are what is driving it. Just like the initial car phone was not the future of mobile communications, it was the driving force of all of our iPhones or Galaxies or whatever. The original "super computers" that got us to the moon were not the future for computers, but they led the way to the iPads/tablets that most people use. The Tesla may not exist in 20 years, but the leaps that they have taken in the advancement of electric performance is not to be laughed at.

Oil is finite. The combustible engine will have to go away at some point. The common misconception is that companies like BP/Shell/Chevron are gas companies. No, they are energy companies, and they know that they can't continue to exist on crude oil forever. They are researching all kinds of alternative energies (I used to work for a major energy company).

Beta recorders did not last long, but we wouldn't have the DVR if not for them.:cheers:

Hah! Just wait until the demand starts going up. Then the electric utilities will have their day - its the way monopolies work (just don't land on Park Place!)

And don't EV solar charging stations cost a least $10K?

But that's silly. People generate electricity from the wind , solar, river turbines, propane turbines, gas/diesel generators - all from home. When demand goes up, you can choose any number of ways to avoid the monopoly, and you can make the monopoly pay you - people are getting paid for their surplus electric right now.

Don't be afraid, thstone, replace that fear with a little research and book learnin. People are charging their electric cars at home, right now, as I type, from the sun, monopoly free.

And the Tesla is the number 1 selling luxury car in the US, and is projected to continue to be so.

Forbes had an interesting story on Tesla. I'm just the messenger, not the author.

"If Tesla Would Stop Selling Cars, We'd All Save Some Money"

If Tesla Would Stop Selling Cars, We'd All Save Some Money - Forbes

Is it a myth that it actually pollutes our air worse making the electricity then the cars burning fossil fuel?

LOL, he gave a glowing review of the car!

Seems he's really upset about the tax incentives. What the author doesn't mention is that the tax credits don't really cost you and I 1 penny.

The money to pay for those tax credits were taken from the millions of dollars offered as tax incentives once offered to oil companies. Now, the administration is shifting from tax credits to revenue generated by oil and gas companies:

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130212/OEM11/130219926#axzz2Y4Qj5eSE

thstone, you should be thrilled about his article...you don't like monopolies, and mentioned that big oil was a monopoly..by using funds once offered to big oil, the electric car is breaking up a monoply.

Good read.

Myth. If you compare how much electricity it takes versus gas used, Nissan leaf basically drives 130miles per gallon of gas. Your average car on gas would need 5.2 gallons to drive the same distance...

What a sad world it would be if we all had to drive a Nissan Leaf.

Just as with regular fuel burning cars, there are efficiency factors involved. The Leaf is more efficient then the Tesla Model S.

We'll have better ways to make electricity one day, but the creation of electricity pollutes the air pretty bad at the moment. You also have to factor in the pollution caused from all the rechargeable batteries that go bad.

You must never had driven one.

My neighbor has one - it's a blast to drive, 100% torque off the line - is very highly rated by consumer reports, and gets high marks for performance and comfort from it's owners. He saves 300/month in gas bills, and is going to buy a solar charger.

In fact, so much fun they put one up against a 2012 911 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOIAk8TA6b4

Tesla has plans to go toe to toe with the Leaf with a Sub 40k car...two years away.

Haven't any of you people heard of recycling? Those batteries aren't going into landfills - but if they did, they aren't toxic (like the millions of lead based batteries that do go to landfills). Several companies specializing in lithiom batteries recycling are waiting for the batteries - the cost of recycling the metals in those batteries is cleaner and cheaper than mining for new metals.

lol, Leaf against a 911, lol. That was funny. In stock form the Leaf (as the video said) is like driving a microwave.

I don't think the guy in the vid had any fun driving the Leaf until they stuck the race tires on it and that takes away what the car is meant to be, a daily driver.

I'll stick with my Boxster, thank you.