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Nine8Six 06-01-2017 03:20 AM

Infotainment System for Porsche Car [from CAD, prototyping to finish]
 
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Throughout the years I’ve kept an eye open on the aftermarket 2DIN units in hope that I’ll find one that can be installed in my Porsche car console. I mean, looking for something that is visually safe and useful (for me) to permanently install. Truth is; those units aren’t exactly small-looking, especially when they glow low-quality and placed in medium/small size vehicle’s console. Plenty of risks for these thing to potentially invade a whole lot of funny.

I’ve actually seen quite a few of those aftermarket units recently and sadly, all had one thing in common; a less than ideal screen resolution/dpi and a total lack of respect for “true” black color/contrast. The other major problem (again, for me) was obviously those wacky graphical user interfaces (GUI), silly cartoon 3d buttons, usb/sd/whatever card slots in bezels…. oh boy do most of those boomboom boxes comes with everything I don’t need to use “or see”.

I’ve been looking for nearly 3 years for the perfect 2din unit. Obviously had a few kits delivered recently and all failed. Even the one that I’ve paid $800 (brand name) didn’t look nothing close as “the picture lol”. Same who claims to be using modern open source OS; being locked down with a proprietary and impressively cartoon’ish GUI. And finally, what killed it all is all of those came in with poor WVGA, displaying black as silver, most were trailing my finger touch with some really nasty looking white flickers. Picky I know but hey, nope… hell my bed side clock’s hardware and GUI is better looking and more stylish than most of the kits I recently seen up close </rant>

Emptied hands, Porsche console still cryin1997 - what to do what to do!

Well folks, we’ll just make one! That’s right. Together we’ll do the “Best-in-the-World” Porsche-centric Infotainment System. So as I go along with this side project, please don’t hesitate to jump in and ask questions. Your recommendations and advice is vital to the success of this product so by all means, please help me out if you can!

So here we go, The Best in the World again :rolleyes:

Enjoy!

dijinn 06-01-2017 03:40 AM

Yes!!! Go Fred Go!

Wallace River 06-01-2017 04:03 AM

Are you kidding me? Man are you ambitious, go for it!

kjc2050 06-01-2017 04:04 AM

OMG. Can't wait to see the development of this one!!

Nine8Six 06-01-2017 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallace River (Post 539105)
Are you kidding me? Man are you ambitious, go for it!

Not only ambitions, sparked by frustration also. “Little boy never got his big toy” type thing. Watch out ;)

What can go wrong. All we need is some fast & serious processing power, good Taiwanese silicon, and a some thermal management. We’ll add up a few sensors and some p-specific telemetry later-on I promise. For now, the only thing I want to see is a black and red wire powering up the unit.

Rules of simplicity. I’ll be putting up the specs I’ve originally used for a proof of concept ptype –shortly. Devastating functionalities coming soon lollll

algiorda 06-01-2017 04:50 AM

I hope you don't leave out us MOST bus users. Have you thought about using a Tablet based solution? Don't know about size and form factor.

To be honest with you, I researched replacing my CR23 with a 2 din radio and didn't want to ruin the look of my Special Edition. So instead, I installed a Bluetooth adapter and use my large iPhone 7 Plus for XMRadio and Waze for Navigation. I also use it for Hands free calling and it works great. Perhaps we should design a holder / cradle that you can insert the Phone into right where the radio is to give the appearance the phone is the radio? I use one of those magnetic vent holders now and it's a PIA as it really doesn't hold the phone all that well.

What would really be nice is the look of the Continental 1 Din radio but with a slide out 7" screen!

Traco 06-01-2017 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by algiorda (Post 539109)
I hope you don't leave out us MOST bus users.

I gave up researching changing the MOST system and bought a Bose Soundlink Mini II and holder for the iPhone.

Amazing sound, spotify etc etc. Speaker will sit in the storage cubby under the wind deflector or wedges nicely between the seats on the arm rest. Plus I can use it elsewhere. Sounds are usually only on when SWMBO is in the car so driving is dialed back. Otherwise its the flat six soundtrack at full volume. :D

Nine8Six 06-01-2017 07:28 AM

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^ 177mm * 100mm * 45mm ~ w/ ultra light material selection (no steel)

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Just a peak preview of what we are trying to accomplish here. Including some visuals of what appears to be the preliminary (and thermally yet unmanaged) design of the enclosure. Just a shell basically... for now all it does is helping me to visualize the surface area I have to work within - so to pack the punch!

No no big 2DIN boxes for me thank you very much.

The backend is driven by a Intel Quad Core Atom® x5-Z8350 processor with 2M Cache with an astonishing 1.92 GHz clock speed. Comes with 4gig ram and running Windows 10 as OS. Has all the necessary connectivity you'll ever need ~ 2.4ghz WIFI and Bucktooth.

That's right. A fully featured Car PC that you can customize just the way you want it. You can even install your Durametric software onto it?! Or if you don't have one, wait and see whats coming your way! If you ask me, there is no other thing other than my laptop that makes me feel "home" (I.T. wise). Certainly not the effect I was getting from the budget 2DIN units I've recently received and tested. So this "My Laptop My Home" feeling will soon be transferred inside my Porsche car!

Eventually we'll be playing with the Continental radio style e.g. Custom Face Bezels. There are so many options for us to play with here, obviously. Just for fun, and to better represent how easy this will get at that stage, here goes a bezel style I've designed a few weeks ago. That is as "amusing" as it will get but hopefully we'll find something a tad more conservative.

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Nine8Six 06-01-2017 07:32 AM

Even offered in speed yellow lolll Guards red, and midnight blue, we'll have them all. Oh and until we find it its official name, we'll just use a few stolen trademarks in there. What's new

Can't wait to be a tad more serious on the bezel work. For now this will work just fine. This template was measured off the boxster console so you might see this again but fear not, I don't think it will be the final bezel design. We'll play with this (a lot) later on!

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oldskool73 06-01-2017 09:49 AM

Love your work Fred, but you lost me at 'running Windows 10'.

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If there was a nice looking, well specced device with a good responsive screen running completely stock Android I'd be all over it.

Nine8Six 06-01-2017 10:13 AM

Ahhh OS :D

Good news is you just need to set your bios to boot up from your USB whatever OS image! Its a PC after all so you do what you want with it.

But but but, from Nice8Six-Factory loll, it will be loaded with Windows 10. I think Microsoft have put up some nice work throughout the years so my guess is that thing is going to work OOTB (important). Got all the drivers for peripherals and all already. Works man

Windows 10 looks and feel 'posh' also. I need that part most

ps: developer myself, fair share of various linux kernels, ubuntu desktop for fun internet, and thumb usb 'os' for diagnostics and monitoring. Just haven't yet arrived at the Android level, yet ;)

particlewave 06-01-2017 10:20 AM

What I'd like to see is a fully functional single din android based unit.
I want something that can display things like GPS and a back up camera, without the huge goofy screens that everyone seems to like.
Center console space/slots are few and I'm not giving up 2.

I know there's a unit out there for Porsche with a single din screen, but the price is stupid.

Vidyashankara 06-01-2017 10:34 AM

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I was in the same boat as you. This is what I came up with. The best I came across is the joying 10.1.

Its got a decent 10 inch screen that clips on to a single din system. The contrast ratio on this screen is way better than anything else I have seen - including most of the $800 systems. I moved all the buttons from top part of the console to the bottom. It runs android 6.0, so its got a lot of nice apps like waze, torque, spotify and netflix that run native. I set up a cellular hotspot from my phone when I need data.

What would be great if there was a nice porsche launcher :P

Nine8Six 06-01-2017 10:43 AM

Totally cool. That 10" really look your best friend there. Screens; all about the screen man, totally agree with you. The stuff I've unboxed recently... oh boy

But then, I am only able to write these because I have a 7" IPS display to advertise shortly. Digital professional dream display... and it COMES WITH BLACK lollll

ps: IPS; same display as the widely known 'retina' (e.g. iPhone/pads)

Leebherron 06-01-2017 07:54 PM

Porsche Entertainment Center in the Works
 
Hi Fred, long time ! I am running a 7" I pad in my Boxster dash now. However put me on your list. I know, if you are making anything, it will be great !
Lee from NY

rick3000 06-01-2017 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 539144)
What I'd like to see is a fully functional single din android based unit.
I want something that can display things like GPS and a back up camera, without the huge goofy screens that everyone seems to like.
Center console space/slots are few and I'm not giving up 2.

I know there's a unit out there for Porsche with a single din screen, but the price is stupid.

I would also love to see a good single DIN option, right now the only options that don't have blinking neon lights everywhere are the Porsche Classic that costs over $1k, and the Continental TR7412UB-OR which still has a little chrome. That said, I am looking forward to seeing what gets developed!

Fintro11 06-01-2017 10:47 PM

If this thing will be fibre optic compatible that would be amazing not having to remove wiring.

Apple car play would be amazing ;)

Nine8Six 06-02-2017 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leebherron (Post 539201)
Hi Fred, long time ! I am running a 7" I pad in my Boxster dash now. However put me on your list. I know, if you are making anything, it will be great !
Lee from NY

Ahhhh Lee!!!!! Good to hear from you brother. I'm onto my new HTC device right now and can't read your post fully but can guess what it is. In fact I can't read my thread at all anymore. Some mega huge picture in the thread which adds a 'tiny' scroll-bar at the bottom of my device. Every time I try to catch it, it shoots me to the top of the page. Giving up loll.

Funny pic, all I see is a huge human leg LOL

Let's wait until it gets to page 2. Or I'll have access to a PC tmrw and will be able to read the other posts

Nine8Six 06-02-2017 04:41 AM

dbl post... nothing works here, sorry lol

Nine8Six 06-02-2017 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fintro11 (Post 539217)
If this thing will be fibre optic compatible that would be amazing not having to remove wiring.

Apple car play would be amazing ;)

20 years old optical, AMP, whatelse... corroded terminals and circuitry?! If you ask me, I think I am just going to use my own system & network instead lolll Don't even know what's in my Porsche car atm, couldn't care less perhaps.

SIMPLICITY: Ignition 12VDC > Car PC > Mini-Amp > LRFR Speakers.

And-thats-it.

Although there are already existing cabling for the speakers, I plan on running in my-own/my-way using some medium~high quality shielded ones, perhaps. Not like I need 3km of wires, everything is within an arm distance. Its going to be clean, affordable, precise, SIMPLE and simple just works.

Speakers are excellent(sufficient?) in my Boxster so I plan on reusing those.

Backend-wise: Wait until you get to see the Porsche specific telemetry and CAN functions. We'll have bus raw data access. Everything is being written in C# so we can share some API among developers. Something for them to wrap their own stuff onto, share back with the community, etc. Limitless isn't it really loll

An Apple Play?! But then you have young kids you Martin. Judging for the product pictures, sure looks like something the little ones would enjoy playing with :D


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