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Hi Fred, please put me on the list for the PREMIUM, too. That will be fun [emoji1] [emoji1]
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I'm thinking of 2 x Premium, and a Platinum. ...and maybe another.
Is it an option to get it without the kit? (enclosure, mounting kit, Porsche bezel + $175) Two of my Boxsters already have 2DIN systems installed and I have another kit in mind for the Cayenne. |
I'm in for a Premium!
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I am very interested, but would like to hear more details of the functionality of the shell setting on top of the OS. Until now, much discussion has centered around the hardware and design (which is impressive), and not trying to be the "function over form" person, but what is the out-of-box plug-n-play experience? I do hope that this isn't just a "developer's box" as my current coding skills are about as relevant as as my "BASIC" skills. Lol.
Have you considered a YouTube demo as things progress? Best wishes, and keep up the good fight! :) |
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standard qa format..sorry man :rolleyes: Q: I am very interested, but would like to hear more details of the functionality of the shell setting on top of the OS. A: I plan to base the UI (shell) onto what you've seen in earlier posts. That Amber Dream Color material! Obviously going to come in a very simple format at first, because we love simple (easier to get stuff to work and it looks better loll). We'll see a lot of evolution in that software as-it-progress also I'm not worried. Could get real ugly with smart car apps of all caliber and significance later on, who knows. We have ppl on this board that could code pretty much anything that you and I both can only dream of so... game is not over, still hopes LOLL Q: what is the out-of-box plug-n-play experience? I do hope that this isn't just a "developer's box" A: Nah, its just a Laptop, tinny tiny laptop! You don't need to be able to kill in C++ to operate. Few developer add-ons but you are not forced bud. You need to try at least... perhaps you could share how you wired your real-time plotted oil pressure sensor with us :p Q: Have you considered a YouTube demo as things progress? A: Not yet, will certainly think about that. Got to be done I guess |
I'm interested in the Premium Version too (with shipping to Germany).
Really looking forward to see the final product in action. Edit: Quick question - how will streaming be possible? Are you able to pair your phone and than control everything via the unit? Have you added a optical out? Or what possibilities are given to connect it to a amplifier? As I'm running a DSP with Amp, for me it's just important to get the sound in the highest possible quality and uninfluenced by the unit out to the DSP. I am using the Mosconi D2 80.6 DSP |
sorry for the sticky QA thing, I'm trying my best here lolll
Q: how will streaming be possible? A: I have a small (thumb size) 4G wifi dongle here given by China Telecom, disposable sim card. Loaded with 44GB valid for 24months. How does it work in Germany? bet you can have a similar deal, you'd need to check before. 44Gb lolll if you download a lotttt, for normal use I guess you could simply use your mobile as access point, if your carrier allows it (tethering). Q: Are you able to pair your phone and than control everything via the unit? A: Not at the moment, unless someone can prove me wrong. Or we might already have mobile Apps for remote desktop already, haven't looked much in this I'll be honest. Q: Have you added a optical out? A: No optical. Audio is L/R from Intel HD chip. Sound/channels can be enhanced digitally using USB interface sound cards or studio grade mini pre-amps (if you are in fidelity material). Comes in a all price ranges really ($29.99~$4,000+). Q: Or what possibilities are given to connect it to a amplifier? Q: As I'm running a DSP with Amp, for me it's just important to get the sound in the highest possible quality and uninfluenced by the unit out to the DSP. A: You seem to know more than I do on this. There are just way too many options/brands for me to stop and chose one, and I don't find that part funny at all (in all honesty). If you know of any proven solution for the 986, you got to tell us my friend. I bet there is more a few ways to hook this up but if you are convinced that your method is the best in-the-world, you need to tell us :cool: |
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I'm hoping someone on here (I know it will happen :) ) will enter step by step installation procedures for this. I have 2 left thumbs on both hands and about the most complicated thing I have done successfully is install Fred's illuminated wind stop. By the way Fred, STILL totally loving that thing. Was so proud of myself when I got it installed and wired in and it worked lol. I sense this will be a LOT more complicated!
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Problem is, and as I've mentioned earlier, everybody's tastes & goals are different installation-wise so it is difficult to come down to a 'One Solution' fits everybody. The tons (and tons) of sound/connectivity options and 'gadgets' that are currently available in the Car Stereo marketplace could keep anyone busy for the next 500 years. It is almost fun. (no offense to folks who like this stuff). Eventually I am hoping for something like e.g. 1) Trash the old Porsche headunit (sorry folks, again no offense) 2) Re-attach yellow ground wire to car's body 3) Relocate HVAC, install new trim around it (PN. 996.xxx.xxx) 3) Install 2DIN kit, connect 12V to the back unit 4) and plug that kit/harness (visual below) in the Porsche OEM ISO female connector 5) Turn key to ON Something like that. That would be the most easiest and cheapest way to do it while retaining the stock amp and wiring. Anybody who wants to fabricate (professionally please) this harness and sell it for what its worth, be my guess! Something less for me to do ;) Some inspiration for you tech/fabricator people!. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/iso1503618141.jpg |
I (obviously) could get someone to do the harness locally, and sell the full kit back to you folks for $1,800?! But then it wouldn't be a fun DIY kit anymore... more like a Full Blown & Ultimate Porsche Infotainment System :D
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>> 3) Relocate HVAC, install new trim around it (PN. 996.xxx.xxx)
Climate Control Module Trim Panel/Cover 9965523390001C - Genuine Porsche - 996-552-339-00-01C | Pelican Parts "...Full Blown & Ultimate Porsche Infotainment System" Boom, there's your name... U-PIS! Can also have an Intermediate Porsche Infotainment System, Web Enabled Porsche Infotainment System etc... :) (yes, I think I may still be a teenager stuck in an adults body!) |
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Lol, Touché!!
Yeah that's just the trim for the climate control that you have to move to the lower console, to make room for those of us with the larger units ;) |
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Metra sells a adapter for the factory stereo connector so you don't have to cut any wires
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@JayG, thanks bud!!! RE audio, I am tossing my schedule by a day to also test a Bluetooth 4.0 audio receiver nx week (man I hate wires). Has 4CH line out and can easily be interfaced to the P's ISO connector pin-outs and be manufactured half-decently. I'll let you guys know what's the deal on those hrrrr another option out of a hundred others lollll Might end up doing our own pcb and logic on this one and call it a day, just need something call 'time' :/ In the meantime, if anyone have better or great ideas please share! |
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Just goes to show... our car-audio experts are NOT reading these posts/threads, sad stuff! So let's all just continue this will pics then! Those of you who had problems with the look & feel of the kit enclosure, or had any mod requests, are sadly passed the deadline! This is loading in the machine this coming Wed evening. Just so we can have toys to play with next weekend :D http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/061503784895.jpg ^ Rather simple fixture plate for now, just cost $300 in time and material(AL) to put together loll But super simple, we love simple. If the production demand gets nasty one day we can always triple this surface area, therefore 3 kits at a time. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/041503784904.jpg ^ Loaded into the machine and clamped on the vise. The 4th and vise should really leave the space but until we know for sure that this kit rock & roll, that's going to be it; Risk4Crashes! http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/051503784914.jpg ^ All machining prog begins with the roughing passes! The part where wasted material fly everywhere, in the little openings, stick to the ceiling and get your coolant pump jammed up. Couldn't be more fun!!! I'll grab a fresh new set of sharp tools tomorrow on my way to the office. Got to be super duper sharp... cutting thermoplastic here (Acetal, engineering plastic... Delrin they call it in the USA) |
If you are "taking orders" now, I will certainly sign up for 2x Premium units please.
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Hi again Fred !
Put me in for one to replace my I Pad. I got your lights and wheel caps so I know this thing will be unbelievable too ! Lee NY :) |
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Question/Comment: So does this navigation system also work offline? I think that in many places where reception is poor but the roads are good for Boxsters, like mountainous canyons etc while ralleying, you might want to be able to navigate off line. I have a system in my truck that uses Sygic or iGo for offline mode with the option of online additional info like traffic, time based routing etc. Also, is it possible to have the OBDII sensors mapped on that car schematic and it flash in red at the sensors location when something is amiss? That would be incredible futuristic diagnostic screens. Probably cause some car manufacturers to take notice and have to start their own version of such a program. |
Wow! Again.
Fred, I'm in the old school camp that doesn't like lights / videos / maps / graphics and other visual distractions in the cockpit. Nor am I generally in favor of aesthetic updates on older cars, which usually works about as well as a granny in tight jeans with a sexy new tatoo. But damnnn, you are about to win me over with the potential functionality of this thing!!! One development request: with my cell phone, I SPEAK the address to which I wish to navigate, which is both easier/faster and much safer in the car than trying to type. And some sort of support for offline navigation will be necessary if this is to be more tool than toy.(If I got lost every time my mobile internet access has a glitch, I'd be a very frustrated person.) If these 2 things are possible right out of the box, I think you can count me in. |
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That Navigation UI and backend was a proof of concept. Works fine, easy to use and simple etc, but it was more or less the result of “Can I hard code a GPS NAV System from scratch if I have too” (proof of concept). Whether we use it or not, I do not know yet. Do not work offline for sure (based off the Microsoft’s Bing REST API). It is amazingly accurate ad smart however and chances that I leave it as it is (simple) is very likely.
You’ve mentioned Sygic. My favorite also! Works offline and done professionally. I’ve already made friends with Peter Schubert (CEO - Automotive Division) and Jakub Daučo (Project Manager) at Sygic who are both convinced they can adapt their product to the best of the world Porsche Car Infotainmnet System. If it comes to a point where the kit gain popularity, they are happy to give us access to their API/key whether we code it ourselfves, OR they can do it for us also. SYGIC is by far the best option (if you guys are after something that look & feel “professional” anyway). As for the OpenStreetMap that all Asian kits are based onto, well, yea I’ve done the coding on it and ended up driving in ONE-WAY street out of London while I was testing it. It was turning me into bus lane-only also. Read Not-So-Smart LOLLL but there… we can’t expect everything from something that is FREE, right! So I’ve ditched this idea pretty quick. GPS/kit works with Google also, and so is with Google Earth. The latest being killer fun lollllll So you see… possibilities are endless and finding the “one-and-only” best solution for “everybody” is simply impossible folks. At the end of the day what will (/may) happen is; I’ll make the kit available and whatever you do with it is your business. Unless of course it comes to a point where everybody wants/need the kit then we’ll get Peter (Sygic) involved fulltime in this. He is more than willing to participate in this project. ^ In fact, Peter and Jakub are the only developers I’ve managed to find so far (you folks are wayyyyyy too lazy for my taste LOLLL) |
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BL - stay tuned man. Not done with this... half done in fact. Like said above, if this comes ALIVE one day (aka popular) we'll put all the energy and resource$ necessary into it and make it better than anything you've ever seen so far ;) Investors, developers, engineers welcome!!! I can do it all 'by myself/one man show', but having a team would be ideal and would go twice faster ;) |
Salut from Quebec Fred!
I don’t have a boxster but I have a 2002 911 and I am also interested in your infotainment system. Please count me in for the premium kit I can see that you are using NX and the manufacturing addon. How did you connect the simulation to your CNC machine? I have Fusion360 and a CNC machine but I want to upgrade to NX in the future. What do you recommend me to do to get started? Thanks for sharing everything you do. Amazing work! Max |
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NX loll Hmm sure… what’s wrong with F360?! Just joking man ;) No exp with f360 but how exactly are you going to transfer your cad data to NX? You’d be the first… to my knowledge anyway. What are you doing? sml eng firm, entrepreneur?? what is a 9-1-1? What does it look like? |
Hi Fred,
We want to move away from the F360 cloud and start over using a professional CAD system. I hope this make more sense now We are a new engineering company with 2 staff and plan to expand to 6 in 2018. We already know we want NX but it is very difficult for us to find information on the manufacturing side because we don't have access. Especially NX CAM simulation and how it work. I just need to know where to begin with this. If you can share how you did it that would be very kind and helpful. Also how much is NX? hehe Fred my porsche 911 is a 2002 C4 AWD in midnight blue. I'll post a picture soon. The first modification is the sound system for me Max |
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Have you tried the Siemens Manufacturing Forum? Used to be webkey membership only but I think you can join for free these days no? not 100% sure. For accurate info/price you need to find a local Siemens Partner (var). Without this guy you’ll be hitting closed doors in most cases bud. Siemens will provide direct support to e.g. Boeing, Porsche, Redbull F1 team, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory… small companies like that, you see ;) In a nut shell… Price: NX is cheap lollll Cost what your 911 used to worth at the dealer back in 2002 (‘brand-new’) :/ The way around that problem for a start-up is to get an industrial contract to pay for it upfront. You’ll want to ensure this contract is financially sufficient long term to cover your annual maintenance cost also (US$10k/year). Same advice I give everyone who wants to start-up at this CAD/CAM/CAE level. That is what we’ve done here and what many other sme like yours does too. Manufacturing: is not an add-on btw, its built-in ootb. Adv ISV & Machine simulation is add-on tough – check with your VAR as prices varies a lot depending on what CAM pckg you’ll need. Careful however (what they don’t always tell you!): nothing is plug & play in NX manufacturing so make sure you have extensive knowledge and fluent in C and TCL programming language before launching/investing into this. If you don’t have the resources internally then simply forget about NX (Senior Software Engineer & Programmer level required). Sim & validation works ootb from native NX but for industrial controllers only (SINUMERIKS, FANUC, HEID) however requires CSE drivers and those are specific to each controllers. You will need to write and modify your own Post Processors (in TCL) and tweak those CSE drivers for each and every machines based on your machine-tool builder’s specs. So… in a 3d space you tweak IJK vectors, euler angles, your channels, custom operations, UDE (User Defined Events) and so on. If you can’t write TCL then you need to outsource. A stable PP for NX will run you between $5,000~$15,000 ‘per machine’ depending on the complexity of the machine kinematics. All that to say… if you can’t hardcode those PP/CSE internally, then add the cost of another 911 car (used, 2002 model). NX is not for girls man, and can be painfully complex. If you are serious or need official info, just PM me your company legal name/address/email and I’ll get you an temporary account set-up on GTAC under our number (webkey/pwd) so you can access the engineering KB from Siemens directly. It’s all going to make sense at that point for you. Hope this helps bud, best I can do to help really. Best talking to your local var really ;) |
Awesome project! WELL DONE!!
If its not too late. One tiny suggestion if I may. Can the bezel have a lip (say, 5-8mm) to provide some protection from 'glare'. One could also potentially recess the screen to provide some additional 'protection' |
Fred, please put me down for a Platinum
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Holeeee Crap Batman!
How did I miss this one? Oh, I know, I have been gutting, sanding, filling, priming, sanding, painting, sanding, sanding some more, re-assembling the Boxster late into the night for months on end. It gets a bit lonely and exhausting for me working so long on a project alone so mad props for your discipline and ambition in executing such a project. Also, Fred, your range of skills astounds me. Genius level. Platinum for me please. |
Fred, Please put me down for a premium.
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Question: will this work with the BOSE system and allow us to simply just replace the head unit but keep the existing amp and speakers? I think early on in the thread there was mention it would not work because of the MOST interface the BOSE system uses.
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Any news Fred? Do you have a "final and formal" list of purchasers yet? I'm worried I'm not on it, do I need to commit now or later?
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News? Yea... We have a fully functional prototype that delivers twice more than I've anticipated. Really cool kit, small, and powerful. Works also... the coolest part lolll Also got fined by the Environmental Bureau for running industrial equipment which are banned in the area we were. Ban came in effect since 2008, and with over 20+ records of registered mail/warning addressed to the landlord (which I've never heard of lolll), it was hard to request for a 'friendly' delay. They chopped off the electricity and water to the building instead LOL. The landlord footed the fine for all of us but we have to move out of there :/ Good news is we have the new shop lined up and all should take a weekend or two to do the move. Looking forward posting pics of the new place soon... pretty modern facilities! In a meantime, here a first quick peek at the kit in its 'real-life' format - enjoy! http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/031508127908.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/021508127918.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/011508127925.jpg ^ Squeezed in two ribbons on the built-in co-processor for you Arduino fans to see. Gives you an idea of where the digital and analog pins are located. Obviously plenty of inputs for your Oil Pressure sensors, Vibro-Acoustic IMSB sensors, and/or rolling weather stations ;) |
Looks great, Fred, thanks for the update. Good luck with the move and I’ll keep watching this thread for details!
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