Damn that looks freakin amazing. I would kill to have that functionality in my box.

The second photo of all your components lit in your car is just awesome! Gosh Darn!

Very cool!!


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if you are looking to grab temp and pressure info, here is what i know. neither is available via obd.

temp info is available via the oil level sensor in the sump, however the signal is proprietary and has to be converted - here is how to do it ...

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/827720-oil-temp-gauge-using-the-built-in-oil-temp-sensor.html

durametric is able to grab temp data at the diagnostic port so should be easy to get, or you can mount a vdo sender in the head in a spare port under the airbox and run a wire.

for pressure, as steve says, the boxster has a vdo pressure 'switch' to trigger the idiot light. if you want analog pressure info, you have to replace the switch with a sender (located in the head in a port front right); you can use a vdo sender or the oem porsche unit used on the 996 (same diff). another solution is this ...

http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/66287-smarter-idiot-light.html

regardless, i think it requires running new wiring, as porsche 996 schems show pressure sender wiring as a discrete wire and 996/boxster engine harnesses are fundamentally different so do not anticipate the spare wire being available. will also have to interface w your unit in some manner; jk notes the plx interfaces, or perhaps consider something proprietary for just your unit - presume you will build a harness to plug your unit into the diagnostic port; leave a spare connector for those that want to install a vdo pressure sender and run the wire forward.

wondering if a cooperative project w durametic is possible? ie, instead of reinventing the wheel, use the durametric cable and software to capture/process the data and (a) redesign their gui for real-time use, gauges, etc., or (b) have the durametric software export their data in real-time for capture by your gui software (should just be a slight revision of the data-logging capacity their software already has). durametric would be happy as it would mean more sales, and we would get something cool.

I remember, that there was a thread about a hack with the air conditioning, to display the oil temp...
Another thing I would like to see...gear display, rev-meter/shift Blitz

Woa that is pretty cool looking John. Exactly the look I'm looking for!!!

Here it goes in its white theme. Recognizes the time of the day and displays the correct theme e.g. 6am~6pm=white. Amber color for the rest of the day, of course, but can also support vivid pink if selected in the settings ;)

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No idea what is Durametric, we don't have them in China although I've seen a clone once. Wouldn't be surprised if Durametric's business is already well established, they couldn't less about little potatoes like myself I'm sure.

The way we intent programing and delivering this system is by using the exact same features as the official PIWIS. I can borrow my Indy's PIWISII regularly and sniff the Porsche protocol over the kline as I wish. Like previously mentioned, nothing is encrypted on these cars so... a teenager could do this. Problem is "time" really, nobody volunteered to help so I'm all by myself on this project :/

That's how we do my friend. Plug in a Y line to the ODB and send it AT commands over the kline using the PIWIII. We then sniff the data going in and out of the port using the Peak's PCAN software. That captured HEX data is then converted using pretty basic functions in C# and displayed (likely) using plot graphs as you've seen in the previous page. Works man, fun also.... I can start-up my radiator fans and monitor my cam deviation degree real-time! LOLLL how useless

Here's the magic; the car hacker's Y dream tool ;) Can sniff pretty much anything coming out/in from my PIWIS II here. As for programing all this back into C... well... done that all my life so....

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yeah, durametric is just a poor-mans piwis. it's gonna take you lots of time, however - while the data is not encrypted, there is a LOT of it. the tool (duramentric, pst2, piwis) produces actual data for about 100 outputs - you'll have to figture out how to convert all that unencrypted data into something that means something (throttle positions, maf readings, deviations, fuel trims, etc. etc. etc.). not to mention the drive activations, where the tool sends drive info for about 30 functions to the ecu (like turning on the radiator fans). or the fault codes, where porsche codes don't follow odb exactly. if anyone can get it done it is you! i was just thinking that durametric might give it up for free in return for bundling their product w your product.

So are most of the other vehicles sadly - not easy! Making efficient and productive use of those provided PCAN filters (recurrent data, consecutive, duplicate, etc) is an art on its own! Although most of the non-metric data is handshake and proprietary protocol's ackn. Those filters stips out that recurrent stuff leaving you with some preettee cool treasures sometime. Treasure hunting, TRK lolll

But I'm with you, each own his place in every market and this one belongs to Durametric. I'll see if they would agree to a licensing scheme at least, and whether they would agree writing a driver for their serial interface e.g. bluetooth + IC for iso9141. I do NOT want their 1954's style cable in my car?

That would certainly save me great on the development time, thanks for the idea

This may be helpful: Much of the Bosch Motronic 7.xxx is documented and defined. Mostly it is a matter of figuring out what you are looking for. I expect the earlier Boxsters with ME5.xxx are similarly written.
Nefmoto has some good documents and translations:
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You will need to register and login to see or download any of the files.
S4 Wiki has some other good basic Motronic info.
https://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning

Hoilly clap, how did I missed that out. Total public embarrassment thank you very much John LOL I had a pretty good dbc baseline provided by (an undisclosed) tech already but this is what I was hoping to find one day

See, right there. Community power, this stuff works flawlessly at least. SHARE YOUR BLOODY MINDS fellas... not all about money and lawyers in life

Make our P cars better :cheers: (and faster lollll)

i did a bit of research in to that when i was looking to get some community ecu tuning happening. from a porsche point of view, there is enough info out there for the 7.8 dme, but not a lot for the 7.2. there are ways to dump the ecu data, but turning that into fueling tables, etc., trial and error, is next to impossible. the community had figured a little bit of it out, but not a substantive amount. hence the pay $1000 per shot to the guys who have put the time into interpreting it.

I've looked into A/F tuning also, looked I said, and consulted an old friend in the UK who does just that daily (p mosports, not p cars). To be told that the 'accountability' is way too risky for my little Nice8Six Enterprise to cope with. Considering only this part (less the custom protocol and hardware req) that $1,000 is a pretty reasonable service... if you ask me.

Know exactly how you feel about it

Artificial Inteligence
 

Quick Update

Had to get a mdi base code set first so to move on building the user controls. Haven't coded since a while, fingers looks in good shape apparently.

Never drive alone anymore! The system is now fully voice activated, therefore hands free. Keeps bad drivers like my wif(oops) focused on the road ahead.

Few lines of code for the speech and grammar for your enjoyment below. That's right, its wake-up command is "Hello 986". Go figure

Works absolutely flawlessly. Only problem is who ever gets one of those robot will need to have the mic implanted. That thing really converse with you :D

Doesn't hurt, scout promise IiI

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^ When you feed this little guy a full 5v and set its gain to 90%, it becomes exaggeratedly accurate. Was totally blown away. Goes in the face-plate, hidden from view... hopefully


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^ Hello 986 stuff.

Addictive beware. I'll share the exe of the alpha version around when debugged and looking good. Hope we'll be able to test the navigation/routing also - coming soon chaps

(Inteligence, misspelled!)

Incredible. Eager to see how this develops. Great stuff, Fred!

I have to admit that this is getting increasingly interesting even for me. If you had designed it with a physical knob, there would be little hesitation...
The thing is - When I'm driving, I want to change focus as little as possible. An actual knob to change the volume or switch it off makes a world of difference. There's nothing that beats a tactile response to what you're doing. That way it's possible to make adjustments to your musical experience while still keeping your eyes on the road.

There is also a knob on each control that will require user's adjustments! Well, a 'knob' one that fits a tad better within the year we're in. Its a digital tracking bar! See red arrow.

I made the timer refresh on this digital trackbar at 0.1sec (100ms). < That + the capacitive touchscreen that I'm using here, thus making this little bad boy's digital knob Ultra Responsive. Requires less one finger than what's needed for a knob also! Placed it on the driver's side for convenience. Quick tap or drag and you are set.

We'll also have:

Me: Hello 986
InfoSys: Oh Hello!
Me: Volume level six please
InfoSys: adjusting volume to level 6 now!

Both features... are insanely fun! Again, 100ms refresh rate = ultra responsive

F 1954'style knobs man, I'm killing those (exterminate the knobs lolll)

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/knob1498551230.jpg

Can't be all fancy and pretty (prototyping!)
 

Sharing with you some not-so-preettee material this time. Can't wait to see what it will look like with the theme turned on. Will do this this coming weekend and upload.

Developing a Turn by Turn Navigation backend for the Porsche cars. Sadly doesn't work with any other cars... has to be a Porsche. As you can see the car location's pin is porschetized :/

Below visuals are what the development form looks like at my end. All-in-all the features are in and coded, even got that Hello 986 Sexy voice telling you what to expect ahead lolll super fun

Proprietary 986Forum stuff, ladies and gents :cheers:


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^ Those two list boxes on the left hand side is 'fake' driving coordinates. Plugs onto a 2 second timer allowing me to develop this from a desk chair.... instead of a moving car seat ;)

Looking awesome Fred :cheers:

It'll be a sad day at the forum when Fred moves on from Boxsters

I tell you what would be cool, if you can tap into the k-line and get info like RPM and Throttle position, is some code that would receive requests in CAN OBDII protocol, send the request to the K-line, and return it back in CAN OBDII format.

I have one a RaceCapture/Track data capture device, and one of its features is that it can take CAN OBDII requests and translate then into various pre-CAN OBDII protocols. This lets me get things like RPM and Throttle position. However, the refresh rate on this is pretty slow, I get around 2 RPM readings per second, and 2 Throttle position readings per second.

Edit: forgot to include the links

Here is the adapter that translates the CAN OBDII requests into older OBDII formats:
https://www.autosportlabs.com/product/obdii-legacy-adapter/

Here is the device I have that uses this adapter:
https://www.autosportlabs.com/product/racecapture/

Here is a short clip, the first column is time in seconds, 2nd column is RPM, and 3rd column is Throttle Position (range 1-100)

Each RPM reading lasts for 5 or 6 updates and the TPS seems to be a little faster, maybe every 4 updates.

From capturing logs with my Durametric, I know I can get about 10 discrete pieces of data per second, like this (this is a pull in 2nd gear)

I would *love* to be able to get that type of update rate from the car in a way that I could send it to me data logger.

From what I understand, CAN is more of watching a stream of data rather than query/response like older OBDII protocols?

Wish 1 - an OBDII dongle that could query the k-line and give the fast refresh rate that I know the car is capable of. You could probably sell a decent amount of these :) All 986, 996, and maybe even early 9x7, could use this.

Wish 2 - a port somewhere that would simulate tapping into the CAN line on the newer cars and stream selected performance data, even if it was *only* RPM and TPS, since the other stuff you can get from OBDII like intake air temp etc... doesn't require a fast rate.

Since you are in there anyway... :)

Since you have access to all that,

I have a PCM 2.0 and would love to upgrade to something like this, especially if I can mimic a more current version of what I have. I'm a complete noOB on the electrical and audio front so not sure how this would integrate with the MOST and Bose I have. My wishlist would include using Waze as the mapping/direction app. I like that is uses other users to input speed traps, objects on the road, crashes, etc (sort of like crowd sourcing RDS I suppose). A FM tuner would be nice. I spend a lot of time cruising in my car and I listen to a lot of radio at constant RPM as I motor into work, even with the top down :) Capturing trip info would be nice too (mpg, range, miles), my system already displays these so it would just be capturing the data - unless it's somehow calculated in the PCM unit itself but I don't think that's the case because you can add the fourth stalk to do that without the PCM unit). Compass, time and temp - color changing display (i'm not giving up hope of one day have blue gauges and interior lighting). I would use the bluetooth integration for phone, voice commands, and camera for front and rear too.

Awesome idea Fred, just awesome.

Not anytime soon!

Good to hear from you again Norman :cheers:

edit: got to appreciate family who reads this internet :/ Post deleted. Thanks for expressing severe disapproval (censured loll)

Steve - we have full access to the GPIO of the Intel CPU (!!!) so that can serial/interface with the OBD directly @ 500 KBPS baud rates. You are talking about 10ms data-binding with VS if you need (wired). Also, I'd need to check again, but managed to run 100ms refresh rates with a $20 Bluetooth dongle here last month (e.g RPM, speed, temp, etc).

The board also have incredible fast IO read & write access, shall you need to do data acquisition. Runs an on-board SSD hard drive. 10ms is fast enough to overheat the CPU and send it in its throttling mode in <2min LOL

Again bud, limitless really


@Coaster. What you are seeing here is a "generic" UI that will work for me, and others I'm hoping. We'll built around that generic UI and add features from time to time. Lets not forget that the system is based off Windows 10 with a pretty decent CPU + 4gig of ram. Therefore if you want to run Waze, Tourque, Sygik, and/or record your roads with Google or Bing maps, you have zero limitations!

Can also have Netflix, Youtube and CNN streaming LIVE all-at-the-same-time... if the FM radio freq is low in your area :D

Well I got that out of your Wish List and just plugged it in our super 986forum's branded Porsche Navigation System! Works, I get report of a dead moose on the side of the highway causing traffic in a Canadian city LOL

Here goes the stuff that should BUZZ in your speakers "before" they occur:
Warning Types: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh441731.aspx

Thanks for the heads up, Coaster :cheers:

Globanav 2020!
 

Simplicity at its best! Type your destination address or location and press GO.

And that's it. It'll take you there in the very best of its capacity :D


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^ Carries the main Volume trackbar. Full featured Turn by Turn Navigation System. Support off-course re-routing, waypoints, traffic optimizations, pay tolls avoidance, and come with a range of other features such as warning, compass degree, etc.

* Special Thanks to Microsoft Corp for making the Bing Maps REST Api available to the developers. The documentation and references was top class. Remarks: in terms of "routing calc mechanism", it beats OpenSourceMap, Yandex, and all the others by worlds apart - amazing work, Microsoft!

Although fairly simple looking, still requires little over 920 lines of hard-coded lines of C#. Very few examples exist online, everyone is using the API for webpage and therefore JavaScript. Good for reference but pretty useless in terms of 're-use' in a X86 environment. All from scratch! and there you have it! 986Forum branded LOL

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^ Can get funky! Excellent theme for when driving alone :rolleyes:

Egads, Fred, how do you know all this stuff?!? Impressive!

You're mental.

I love it.

Great idea. One suggestion, having a convertible, it would be cool if you could have the screen recessed maybe an inch or so to cut down on some of the glare, especially for us with light colored interiors like the Savannah.

Thanks for kind words and suggestions fellas, much appreciated :cheers:

Recess; totally! Excellent observation in fact. I'm trying with a 4mm recess for the prototype but this is all based on luck. Absolutely no idea what I'm doing but none the less, the feature is already planed in the design (see orange highlight below). Needs real-life trial I guess... might be able to bring it back forward 2mm if the Retina/IPS display is working "as advertised" (160 degree view angle + amazing contrasts and brightness adj).

Far below visual is what it (may) look like with the 4mm recess. Plenty room to go down another 8mm if really it needs it.

Could make it all look advanced with organic curves and all but prefer to keep it 'easy to machine' for the prototype phase.

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I likes that bottom image. By chance would the screen also have a matte finish like the HVAC screen?

TOTALLY agree, am fascinated by what Fred can churn out.

Just wait for the nuclear powered oil filter diy ;)

Lots of options but 3 that I hope to get on with:
1) Powder coated 85% gray/flat
2) Flat anodized 85% gray/flat
3) Polished dark metal gray, 95%/satin

No-way it will be a 100% shinny black plastic trim ;) I'm with you bud

Love the Powder coated 'rugged' style. We'll see, lets make then bezels 1st lolll

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Carrying over from the other thread, Fred. As you could surely guess, I'm very interested in this.

My wishlist:

• Good bluetooth call quality.
• Quick boot time.
• AM/FM radio would be a plus, if not, FM will have to suffice.
• Support for mp3, mp4, and lossless formats (which I don't use, currently)
• Easy to navigate UI. Simple controls that can be used without looking.
Hardware buttons are a plus, but otherwise, gesture controls could work (next track, etc.)
• Multiple USB ports for additional storage and accessories like a dash cam.
• Backup camera support
• OBDII support - don't care if it's wired (USB) or wireless via BT.


Things not needed:

• CD/DVD drive
• Built-in amplifier. As you know, this significantly increases the unit size and introduces thermal issues.

I've seen some impressive stuff here, so far, and you always churn out fantastic things of the highest quality. I really don't care what OS it runs since it should be hidden from the user, anyways.

Hi Fred,

another great project from your end :-) I'm more than interested!

My wishlist:
FM Radio
USB
Bluetooth for playback and additional headset
no CD / DVD
OBD II / CAN
WLAN client, necessary for Windows updates
use of existing Bose Soundsystem / no MOST

I type this respond on a LENOVO YOGA BOOK, which is quite similar hardware and also runs on Windows 10. I think Windows 10 is on the edge for such hardware. Responsiveness to user input is a bit slow and it sometimes freezes for a couple of seconds. So you have to be patient.

What I personally see as an issue is touchscreen as sole input. Driving at 200+ km/h a touchscreen needs too much focus. For me the ultimate solution would be an optional input by something similar to the iDrive controller on the center console. That would be far more safe. But maybe that's the next project´;-)

Greetings from the Shandong province (temporarily)

Herbert

What happens when I stop paying attention for a little while? Fred gets into his toy box and cobbles together another great device for all the 986 owners,

You are absolutely effing amazing Fred! :cheers:

Please remember to keep it simple for Sparky. :cool:

I've been quietly following this thread since inception, and as a recovering engineer (still stuck on step 8), I thought I might throw in my 2 cents...

First, every proprietary MMI manufactures put in cars are, well, just bad. Why? If this was only a few years ago, we would be amazed with tech in the auto infotainment options, but every new buyer within a few minutes quickly becomes frustrated with the system in the car they just purchased. Again, why? I think it all boils down to the fact that we all have a phone in our pocket that does EXACTLY what we would want our MMI to do, but ACTUALLY works. The map/nav is spot on, the music interface is simple, and don't even get me started on voice commands....

All of this makes me wonder WHY manufactures spend so much time and money trying to invent something that already exists. Sure, there is CarPlay, but it's not really what I want. The infotainment upgrade I would really pay a premium for is one with just one button..."clone phone".

To sum up, what I would write you a check for (with many zeros), is a beautifully integrated unit with just two buttons... "Clone Phone" and "Diagnostics" and maybe a real volume knob.

I sincerely respect your passion to "start from scratch" and the the time and effort to try and design the perfect system (again, as an engineer big KUDOS), but perhaps let the os on the phone do the big lifting and just focus on the asthetic design and the OBD integration, but then again, I am in recovery and still making amends to those I have offended. :)

Mirroring...

@thatguychad - thank you so much for sharing your ideas man. Love it when things are interactive like this, gives me a good road map RE what ppl would like and dislike. What you've described fits pretty much within what I had in mind already but you provided a few good points and those won't go unnoticed (e.g. Multiple USB ports, others also). Thanks for the help bud :cheers:

haha I remember Sparky lolll (old friend Don!) Got to be simple or I don't play myself bud. So far the only thing coming out of the prototype is a 12VDC black(-) and red(+) wire. Might need 4x output for the speakers + antenna port and that's it (I hope). Might also have 4x USB ports in the back of it but this has nothing to do with installation; more or less meant for the users to expand the functionalities.

I dont see your comments worth less than a million $ bud (2cent?!). Thanks for supporting and providing your vision of a perfect system. Can't promise I will deliver exactly as you are picturing but will be close enough. Should be, well, that's the aim anyway.

All about modernizing the front dash of my 20 years old Boxster with something that doesn't have toddler style icons and colors ranging from violets to pink (as in the hardest part of the design btw). Challenge you to find a 2Din kit around without-the-silly... near impossible. In the aftermarket kits anyway.

lolll "real knob"... you'd love this capacitive/touch trackbar. One light tap and that's it - set.

Quick Update:

Well, there is no update. Although I've done a bit of work two weekends ago, I haven't had time recently to things together... after being flown out of the country twice for other business. Good news is I am planing to resume all of this as soon as the hardware I've ordered 2 days ago turns up (GPS, sound, stuff like that).

I'll update this coming weekend!