2008 M3 Pics

[Bavarian Motorist]

LOL. I promise I can be more eloquent than that.

[mtch]

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Screw that. HP/L means high-revving, high pitched amazing sound and amazing experience.


I'll take that any day over an 8.3l v10 w/ 510hp.

I had a modified RSX type S which dynoed 214 WHP (39 HP over stock dyno). It was a high revving, screaming terror, which made 107 WHP/L. Fairly high, lots of fun and a great experience. BUT, that car or it's experience wouldn't compare to large displacement big hp dog sled. My uncle has a CTS-V, and the 400 hp & flat tq curve are increadible, even in something as lame as a CTS. Even though it revs slower, it's so loud, deep and throaty it would vibrate wall hangings when revved while sitting in the driveway. flogging that car, NOW THAT WAS AN EXPERIENCE

[Slashmatt]

I can't believe this car. It's absolutely unrecognizeable as a BMW. I believe that BMW's "California Design Center" has less respect for the brand and its history than true car enthusiasts do. That's a shame.

[Bavarian Motorist]

Originally Posted by mtch

I had a modified RSX type S which dynoed 214 WHP (39 HP over stock dyno). It was a high revving, screaming terror, which made 107 WHP/L. Fairly high, lots of fun and a great experience. BUT, that car or it's experience wouldn't compare to large displacement big hp dog sled. My uncle has a CTS-V, and the 400 hp & flat tq curve are increadible, even in something as lame as a CTS. Even though it revs slower, it's so loud, deep and throaty it would vibrate wall hangings when revved while sitting in the driveway. flogging that car, NOW THAT WAS AN EXPERIENCE

All right...but we're talking 214whp to like 350whp.



What about this M3 as compared to a Corvette?

[John V]

Hmmm. M3 versus Corvette?

400 horsepower for the 'vette versus 410-430 for the M3. Close.

400lb-ft of torque for the 'vette versus less than 300 for the M3. Not close.

The C6 Corvette is in the ballpark of 3200-3250lbs. The E92 M3 will be north of 3600lbs, probably north of 3700lbs. No comparison. Though, to be fair, the Corvette is a two-seat sports car with a bit of luxury. The M3 is a four-seat luxury GT, not a sports car. Two very different cars.

Bavarian Motorist, drive a C5 Z06 corvette sometime. It is all sound and fury up to its 6,500 RPM redline. It revs quickly, it's geared short, and it sounds like nothing else. Then come back and tell us how you feel about horsepower per liter.

First year CTS-Vs had the same drivetrain as the Z06. Who says they aren't fun in a completely un-Boxsteresque way? Video, right click save as

[Slashmatt]

Originally Posted by John V

Hmmm. M3 versus Corvette?

400 horsepower for the 'vette versus 410-430 for the M3. Close.

400lb-ft of torque for the 'vette versus less than 300 for the M3. Not close.

The C6 Corvette is in the ballpark of 3200-3250lbs. The E92 M3 will be north of 3600lbs, probably north of 3700lbs. No comparison. Though, to be fair, the Corvette is a two-seat sports car with a bit of luxury. The M3 is a four-seat luxury GT, not a sports car. Two very different cars.

Bavarian Motorist, drive a C5 Z06 corvette sometime. It is all sound and fury up to its 6,500 RPM redline. It revs quickly, it's geared short, and it sounds like nothing else. Then come back and tell us how you feel about horsepower per liter.

First year CTS-Vs had the same drivetrain as the Z06. Who says they aren't fun in a completely un-Boxsteresque way? Video, right click save as

I say they're not fun. I've driven a few CTS-Vs. If you like driving a Corvette that's carrying a 1000lb load, you'll like driving a CTS-V.

My Silverado has the same series V8 as the CTS-V, so I guess you could say they're more truck like than the average car too.

[John V]

The current CTS-V has the LS2 engine. There is no Silverado with an LS2.

The LS2 is the base Corvette engine.

The CTS-V is not my cup of tea, but it is fun in the same way a '60s musclecar is fun.

[Bavarian Motorist]

I drove a c6 recently and I made a thread about it.



So how about a 360 modena vs a C6?

[John V]

You're kidding, right?

[Bavarian Motorist]

Originally Posted by John V

You're kidding, right?

They are more similar than you think.


A c6 convertible is estimated at about 3199 lbs.



A 360 spyder is 3197 lbs estimated. (dry weight is 2976)



Both are 400hp v8s.

400lb-ft of torque as compared to 275



Now let's compare.

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

They are more similar than you think.


A c6 convertible is estimated at about 3199 lbs.



A 360 spyder is 3197 lbs estimated. (dry weight is 2976)



Both are 400hp v8s.

400lb-ft of torque as compared to 275



Now let's compare.

But.....The 360 Spyder comes with something the Vette doesn't....A Really Really big P***Y Magnet.

[John V]

I'll take the Ferrari because it's a complete package with an excellent interior, a mid-engined layout, exotic styling, exclusivity and beyond all that, it's an investment.

But nobody would ever cross-shop those two cars. The Ferrari is several times the cost.

[Bavarian Motorist]

I know they don't compare in terms of price. I thought we were talking about the experience here!




Amen @ the p***y magnet comment

[mtch]

kind of tough to compare experiences the two offer because so few people have F430 or any other Ferraris for that matter. All most of us can do is rely auto-journalists who are all just as human and biased as we are. That being said....I would love to hear someone compare, objectively, the two cars on a track and real world driving.

[7th gear]

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

BLAH!


AM is way over-priced.

maybe .... but eva longoria looks quite sweet in it.

[Slashmatt]

Originally Posted by John V

The current CTS-V has the LS2 engine. There is no Silverado with an LS2.

The LS2 is the base Corvette engine.

The CTS-V is not my cup of tea, but it is fun in the same way a '60s musclecar is fun.

I didn't say that they had the same engine, I said the engines were in the same series, LS.

And, yes, the engine in my pickup truck has very similar characteristics to the LS2. I've driven my Dad's'03 Z06 on the racetrack a few times and had the car for a while myself. The LS V8's are really good engines, but I still say that the caddy is not an entertaining car to drive.

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by 7th gear

maybe .... but eva longoria looks quite sweet in it.

Again the P***Y Magnet effect except in reverse order when a chick is driving it.