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webster132 01-20-2007 10:59 AM

So I finally said farewell to the Boxster S
 
Hey guys,

Just wanted to give you the final act of the story. I finally said goodbye to the 2006 Boxster S as I did a pre-trade today at Lake Forest Sportscars for a Ferrrari 430 Spider that's coming in February/March.

I ended up putting just about 8300 miles on the baby over the course of some 8 months or so. What a wonderful car.

But of course a Ferrari is a Ferrari and I console my loss of the Boxster that come delivery, I won't feel too sad.

In any case, thanks to everyone here. It's a great resource for Boxster owners. And I learned a ton from ya'all.

(Attached photo is of a F430 with the same specs as the one I'm getting)

porschegeorg 01-20-2007 11:04 AM

That Ferrari is one beautiful machine. Your only problem is that your running out of cars to trade up to. :) Have fun with that new toy!!!!

jmabasa 01-20-2007 11:32 AM

A Ferrari and you're not even close to 30 yet?! Dude, tell me your secret! :D

webster132 01-20-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jmabasa
A Ferrari and you're not even close to 30 yet?! Dude, tell me your secret! :D

I think most people who buy Ferraris, or other 200k+ cars for that matter, are business owners. I fall into that category too ;).

I'll be sure to post some pictures when it finally comes in. I'll see if I can't get a friend to help and get a duo shot of the lambo as well. The yellow and the red should nicely contrast.

jmabasa 01-20-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by webster132
I think most people who buy Ferraris, or other 200k+ cars for that matter, are business owners. I fall into that category too ;).

I'll be sure to post some pictures when it finally comes in. I'll see if I can't get a friend to help and get a duo shot of the lambo as well. The yellow and the red should nicely contrast.

Oh my gawd! You have a Lambo too?! :eek: I hate you!!! :D

unklekraker 01-20-2007 01:01 PM

A Ferrari and Lambo :eek:
Webster, why do join this forum to make us drool...why, why, why!!!!!! Moderator (Bruce) can some one please kick this guy out of here...hehehehehe, j/k

I so very envy you right now but not the part on deciding which one would you drive for today :D congrats, dude! stay healthy :)

djomlas 01-20-2007 01:26 PM

so which one is the beater car?

webster132 01-20-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by djomlas
so which one is the beater car?

That'd be the Audi S4. And it shows too in this weather, being black and all.

Just went out for a nice drive in the Lambo. It may be cold as ****************, but at least it's relatively dry and clear. Looks like we're going to get lots of snow next week :(. Chicago doesn't make it easy on us car fans, does it now.

djomlas 01-20-2007 03:54 PM

not at all man, not at all. but hey, gotta do what you gotta do

hdpt73 01-20-2007 06:55 PM

isn't that the teenage mutant ninja turtle ferrari? if i had that car before i got married, i'd still be single. a box compared to that is like charlize theron compared to rosie o'donell.

jmabasa 01-20-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by webster132
That'd be the Audi S4. And it shows too in this weather, being black and all.

Just went out for a nice drive in the Lambo. It may be cold as ****************, but at least it's relatively dry and clear. Looks like we're going to get lots of snow next week :(. Chicago doesn't make it easy on us car fans, does it now.

Just wondering, how come you dint just sell the Audi and kept the box as your beater?

webster132 01-21-2007 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jmabasa
Just wondering, how come you dint just sell the Audi and kept the box as your beater?

A garage consisting solely of two-seaters is not all that useful. At least not if you ever have to drive family or friends. And despite how roomy the Porsche is for luggage compared to others in its class, it's still pretty pathetic compared to a sedan ;). Finally, with real-wheel drive, you better hope that you never have to get out in heavy snow. A little too much wishful thinking in Chicago.

Boxtaboy 01-21-2007 08:23 AM

Good for you man. Congrats on the new purchase. It looks awesome. Please post pics when you have them available, and drive her in good health.

Bavarian Motorist 01-21-2007 08:37 AM

Wow, that's awesome.


I am a business owner as well. Working hard, and working on some great projects :)


Hopefully soon, w/ hard work, I will be in your shoes.



So what's the maintenance cost on **************** like that?



Oh yeah, what is your "family car"? Definitely should grab an m5 :)

jmabasa 01-21-2007 09:18 AM

Any chance we can get a peek of that Lambo? :D

djomlas 01-21-2007 09:32 AM

a peak? hehe, how bout a drive in a lambo man? :)

webster132 01-21-2007 10:59 AM

I posted a few pictures of the Lambo back when I first got it:
http://986forum.com/forums/65412-post.html
http://986forum.com/forums/65413-post.html

The family car is an Audi S4. I'm actually not big a fan of BMWs. Fine automobiles, but the interior is not up to Audi's standards. And I hear the M5 is not exactly a puppy at low speeds either. Which is what having a family/everyday car is all about, imho. I don't need 500 hp of aggressive to pick up groceries ;).

Also, I think it's nice to have a more clearly defined split between everyday and occasion cars. If you drive around with 500hp all the time, getting into a Lamborghini or a Ferrari won't carry the same astonishment.

To each his own, of course. If you could have only one car, an M5 or a M3 might very well be a perfect choice. I like the smoothness and the interior of Audis, though. Even got an automatic.

re: maintenance. As long as you're under warranty, it's pretty mild. The first oil change on the Lambo was $280. The first real service is not until 7500 miles and I hear it's $1,500. Then the next service is at 15k. The warranty on a new lambo is only 2yr/24k, though. After that, things can indeed get expensive if you're not taking care of the car or are simply unlucky.

Regular maintenance is a little more expensive and a little worse with a Ferrari. I think there's a service at 1500 miles, then at 5000 miles, and then I think it's 15/30/45 as well. The first service is just a fluid change too, so that's probably less than $500. But the major services run $3-4,000, I believe. On the upside, the Spider comes with 4 yrs/unlimited warranty. Which is pretty generous in this segment.

jmabasa 01-21-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dbth
Jmabasa: Another horrifying signature & picture.What's up with that!
Tasteless....

Hey man, what might be tasteless to you may be art to me.....

bmussatti 01-21-2007 03:09 PM

Very nice Ferrari! Congrats, Webster.

NickCats 01-21-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by webster132
That'd be the Audi S4. And it shows too in this weather, being black and all.

Just went out for a nice drive in the Lambo. It may be cold as ****************, but at least it's relatively dry and clear. Looks like we're going to get lots of snow next week :(. Chicago doesn't make it easy on us car fans, does it now.

My Boxster hasn't left the garage in 2 weeks :mad:

Weren't you worried about salt getting on your Lambo ?

Don't know where you were, but there was a ton of salt on the roads yesterday in the Northwest suburbs...

Congrats on the new purchase, and enjoy !

Nick

jmabasa 01-21-2007 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dbth
Your signature advocates making WAR ?

And the photo of a woman in a subservient position about to get a pistol in the mouth is art?
If its art , it is tasteless art.

I think closer to sociopathic.

To each his own...

Brucelee 01-22-2007 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jmabasa
To each his own...


My son always loved Bert and Ernie.

Thanks for changing BTW!

jmabasa 01-22-2007 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee
My son always loved Bert and Ernie.

Thanks for changing BTW!

No problem Bruce! Didn't want to offend anyone on the forum. If I did, I'm really very sorry. :o

Bavarian Motorist 01-22-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by webster132
Also, I think it's nice to have a more clearly defined split between everyday and occasion cars. If you drive around with 500hp all the time, getting into a Lamborghini or a Ferrari won't carry the same astonishment.


With that in mind, I'm surprised you don't second-guess buying those cars if a different class of car in a different price tier can even compare.

You can say, "I will enjoy the week-end cars because my daily car is not comparable", but shouldn't the real question be, "How 'good' are my week-end cars relative to other cars?"


In other words, if an M5, for example, a cheaper, four-door sports sedan, can take so much away from your experience in an exotic, super-car, don't you question those cars or why you bought them?


I'm not sure if that makes sense. I guess I'll see by your response.

webster132 01-22-2007 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist
In other words, if an M5, for example, a cheaper, four-door sports sedan, can take so much away from your experience in an exotic, super-car, don't you question those cars or why you bought them?

Owning a supercar is so much more than just about going fast in a straight line. It's even about a lot more than just the performance itself. The Corvette Z06 offers comparable performance to both Ferraris and Lamborghinis for less money than even an M5, yet that car doesn't appeal to me.

So a sedan is a poor substitute, in my mind, for a low-riding, supercar coupe that can take corners and twisties at high speed. Anyone with a Boxster should sympathies with that argument. Considering that you can get considerably more horsepower for half the buck elsewhere.

And since I'm not going to use something like a M5 to just go drive for fun, I a) wouldn't want to spend the money, b) would rather have a car that's more refined for the niche it's going to occupy (getting groceries, sitting in traffic), and c) is a considerably different car on as many levels as possible (speed, comfort, etc).

I hope that illuminates my thought process. I'm sure it's different for others. I know there are lots of people with Ferraris and Lambos who have an M5 as a daily driver. More power to them. It's just not my preference for a good fit.

djomlas 01-22-2007 12:02 PM

same goes to the people who say that people that drive a boxster cant afford a 911.
but in general u can get a boxster and get an engine swap and blow the doors off of a 911, but you would still get the same comment, even though your box may be faster than a 911 (theoretically speaking, mine sure as hell is not).

that also brings me to the poaint of enjoying the car, at the time that i had a high HP camaro i also owned a '84 325, i swear that car had 2hp, but was so much more fun than the power, so its not all about the hp backing you up, its the enjoyment you get out of it. i just used to get harassed by everyone for picking the 325 over my other car but i jsut enjoyed it more. i dunno if that makes sense, but yea... :)

but id love to get a ride in either one of your cars man, (hopefully ;) )

Dr. Kill 01-22-2007 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jmabasa
No problem Bruce! Didn't want to offend anyone on the forum. If I did, I'm really very sorry. :o

LOL, Bert and Ernie doing drugs is much less offensive!

I don't think that I particularly enjoyed your prior sig so much (not my thing as you say), but I do recognize that art is often provocational. I do maintain though that a urinal is not art. I'm sorry, I know Duchamp is supposed to be a genius, but that's not art, that's a toilet.

jmabasa 01-22-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Kill
LOL, Bert and Ernie doing drugs is much less offensive!

Actually, I had another one where Bert was doing Ernie from behind but I don't think people here would appreciate that one either... :D

jinijazz 01-22-2007 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by webster132
Owning a supercar is so much more than just about going fast in a straight line. It's even about a lot more than just the performance itself. The Corvette Z06 offers comparable performance to both Ferraris and Lamborghinis for less money than even an M5, yet that car doesn't appeal to me.

Can't agree more. Isn't that why we all endend up with Boxster instead of Corvette or Subaru? Even though I'm perfectly happy with my base 987, I'd say
F-car & S4 would be perfect combo, and I do prefer S4 over M5 without doubt.

Bavarian Motorist 01-22-2007 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webster132
Owning a supercar is so much more than just about going fast in a straight line. It's even about a lot more than just the performance itself. The Corvette Z06 offers comparable performance to both Ferraris and Lamborghinis for less money than even an M5, yet that car doesn't appeal to me.

So a sedan is a poor substitute, in my mind, for a low-riding, supercar coupe that can take corners and twisties at high speed. Anyone with a Boxster should sympathies with that argument. Considering that you can get considerably more horsepower for half the buck elsewhere.

And since I'm not going to use something like a M5 to just go drive for fun, I a) wouldn't want to spend the money, b) would rather have a car that's more refined for the niche it's going to occupy (getting groceries, sitting in traffic), and c) is a considerably different car on as many levels as possible (speed, comfort, etc).

I hope that illuminates my thought process. I'm sure it's different for others. I know there are lots of people with Ferraris and Lambos who have an M5 as a daily driver. More power to them. It's just not my preference for a good fit.


I'm not saying, "Why did you buy that when you can get a similarly powerful car for less money?" and giving my take on it. I'm not judging at all.


I was just referring to what you said; That having a high-hp car as a daily driver would take away from the experience of a Ferrari or Lamborghini, and that made me question the whole idea of having a super car like that if a seemingly lesser car can steal a part of that experience and love.


Just an idea. :cheers:

porscheracer 01-22-2007 01:29 PM

Nice F car but be prepared to be good friends with the Ferrari mechanic and dealership.
Also I presume this is a Sunday car...So what do you drive everyday?



Ferrari unlike Porsche is a show car or weekend car.


My car is not a lawn ornament...

Porsche there is no substitute.
:dance:

jeffsquire 01-22-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by webster132
Hey guys,

Just wanted to give you the final act of the story. I finally said goodbye to the 2006 Boxster S as I did a pre-trade today at Lake Forest Sportscars for a Ferrrari 430 Spider that's coming in February/March.
getting)

_____________________
I'm trading in my Honda Accord for a 1999 Ford Pickup with a chrome tailgate, beater tires and an 8track tape system.. Dude, do you want to switch? Congrats on your beautiful new ride. As with any new sports car, it's all about tradeoffs. I suspect for someone who is concerned about maintenance costs like me, I couldn't afford a new Ferrari in the near future.

Enjoy her.

Dr. Kill 01-22-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jmabasa
Actually, I had another one where Bert was doing Ernie from behind but I don't think people here would appreciate that one either... :D

I would appreciate that one for my personal collection.

jmabasa 01-22-2007 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Kill
I would appreciate that one for my personal collection.

Give me your email address and I'll send it to you. :D

Dr. Kill 01-22-2007 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jmabasa
Give me your email address and I'll send it to you. :D

Sent you a PM - thanks

webster132 01-22-2007 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by porscheracer
Nice F car but be prepared to be good friends with the Ferrari mechanic and dealership.
Also I presume this is a Sunday car...So what do you drive everyday?

Ferrari unlike Porsche is a show car or weekend car.

While it's true that most Porsche's see more miles quicker than Ferrari's, I think you're holding on to an older myth about the differences in maintainability. Since the 360, Ferrari's have had a big jump in reliability. With the 430, the jump was even bigger (chains instead of belts).

From dual owners that I've talked to, lots of them have had issues with the transmission on their 911s when pushing them hard. I've read lots of fun stories about RMS issues too.

So Porsche's are not perfect, no high-performance car is.

Just for another point of reference, I've driven my Lambo 2400 miles in a few months with the only issues being a few squeaks (that were promptly fixed) and a battery that died due to my mistake of leaving the cockpit lights on one night. When the weather is nice, I try to drive the car every night or every other night. There's no garage queening going on here.

I've talked to lots of 360 and Gallardo owners that have had their cars for years with no issues at all.

The world of supercars today is very different from even the mid 90es.

And I have every intent on putting on as many miles as I possible can in these cars. They are so most certainly not for Sundays or shows. I consider them for Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.

No, I won't be grocery shopping in them. But that's not a question of reliability, but of practicality.

Bavarian Motorist 01-23-2007 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by webster132
While it's true that most Porsche's see more miles quicker than Ferrari's, I think you're holding on to an older myth about the differences in maintainability. Since the 360, Ferrari's have had a big jump in reliability. With the 430, the jump was even bigger (chains instead of belts).

From dual owners that I've talked to, lots of them have had issues with the transmission on their 911s when pushing them hard. I've read lots of fun stories about RMS issues too.

So Porsche's are not perfect, no high-performance car is.

Just for another point of reference, I've driven my Lambo 2400 miles in a few months with the only issues being a few squeaks (that were promptly fixed) and a battery that died due to my mistake of leaving the cockpit lights on one night. When the weather is nice, I try to drive the car every night or every other night. There's no garage queening going on here.

I've talked to lots of 360 and Gallardo owners that have had their cars for years with no issues at all.

The world of supercars today is very different from even the mid 90es.

And I have every intent on putting on as many miles as I possible can in these cars. They are so most certainly not for Sundays or shows. I consider them for Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.

No, I won't be grocery shopping in them. But that's not a question of reliability, but of practicality.

I can grocery shop in my boxster. Clearly the boxster is superior.



/sarcasm :cool:

Rail26 01-23-2007 08:06 AM

Uh, I will take a Ferrari lawn ornament and I will be a good wingman and take one for the team...go ahead and sign me up for a Lambo lawn ornament. Lambo's need love to!




Quote:

Originally Posted by porscheracer
Ferrari unlike Porsche is a show car or weekend car.


My car is not a lawn ornament...

Porsche there is no substitute.
:dance:


porscheracer 01-23-2007 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webster132
While it's true that most Porsche's see more miles quicker than Ferrari's, I think you're holding on to an older myth about the differences in maintainability. Since the 360, Ferrari's have had a big jump in reliability. With the 430, the jump was even bigger (chains instead of belts).

From dual owners that I've talked to, lots of them have had issues with the transmission on their 911s when pushing them hard. I've read lots of fun stories about RMS issues too.

So Porsche's are not perfect, no high-performance car is.

Just for another point of reference, I've driven my Lambo 2400 miles in a few months with the only issues being a few squeaks (that were promptly fixed) and a battery that died due to my mistake of leaving the cockpit lights on one night. When the weather is nice, I try to drive the car every night or every other night. There's no garage queening going on here.

I've talked to lots of 360 and Gallardo owners that have had their cars for years with no issues at all.

The world of supercars today is very different from even the mid 90es.

And I have every intent on putting on as many miles as I possible can in these cars. They are so most certainly not for Sundays or shows. I consider them for Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.

No, I won't be grocery shopping in them. But that's not a question of reliability, but of practicality.



The fact is Ferrari maintenance and parts cost is 3x vs Porsche. Go figure.
Ferrari 30k miles service 12,000-14,000 USD? I am not surprise see Ferrari on Ebay with 25-28k miles.

Statistics in Car & Driver and every sports car mag in the world will tell you that Porsche is superior to Ferrari.

I agree driving a Ferrari you will pick up Britneys because its red, cute and it purs.

Now give me a mans car -930 slant turbo. Its wide,ugly and roars but it will kick your Ferrari's red ass.

:troll:

Bavarian Motorist 01-23-2007 11:26 AM

Listen he made the purchase already. There is no sense in criticizing his decision and possibly making him feel bad because it's finished already.


I am sure the Ferrari is an AWESOME car and just as good as any Porsche, if not better.


I am sure that rev happy little v8 will be beyond pleasing.


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