Obtaining historical records
Hello,
I am buying a 2004 boxster, the current owner bought the car from a Porsche dealership and was told that the engine was replaced presumably due to an IMSB failure, but he has no supporting documentation and the Porsche Dealership involved claims not to have records going back that far Carfax also states that at that time the clutch assembly was replaced, however no information about the engine replacement. My mission is to know for certain that this car has a replacement engine. Has anyone got any suggestions on what I could do? |
A replacement engine will have the characters "AT" (Austauschmotor) in the serial number stamped on the engine.
TO |
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I would either walk away or buy the car assuming that the engine was never replaced (and adjust the price accordingly). |
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http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1585720970.jpg You stated that the Porsche dealership "claims not to have records going back that far". Fine. I don't care what the Carfax says, to determine if the engine is indeed a Porsche "replacement engine" have the owner supply you with the engine number. Just sayin'........ TO |
TeamOxford - can I see the engine number w/o raising the car ?
Seller found an email with items done to the car at that time, there was a line there saying : NV Wty Intermediate Shaft Also managed to speak to a Porsche NA representative that confirmed that the engine was pulled out and either they put in a reconditioned engine or reconditioned the original engine and put it back - not sure what that means - maybe means they replaced ims with the LNE ims ? |
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Just sayin'........... TO |
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I'm with JayG on this one. There is little to no chance that Porsche NA would ever put in an LN Engineering IMS in there, unless the previous owner/customer forked up the cash to do this themselves. Even that would be highly unlikely.
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I know from experience that PCNA are very stingy with historical data. The problem, as I understand it, is due to privacy concerns and protecting previous owners anonymity. With out the prior owners permission, it won't be released. As for the notion they don't have 'documentation that far back' that is just plain horse feathers.
I agree with previous posts. Porsche would never use anything but OEM parts on a warranty repair. Without proper documentation, assume it didn't happen. Adjust your offer accordingly. |
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Our legal advisors require us to get written permission before we share any data, which is often difficult as people move and you cannot find them to obtain permission. Net result is that it has become easier to just say no than spend the time for which you are not going to get paid. |
A reasonable dealer, agent, or authority would release/reveal the service records absent any personally identifiable information.
But, nooooooooooooooooooo. :cool: |
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why would an owner of the car 12 years ago care about releasing information now,
it's directly related to the car, not the owner. It is very natural that a car will have multiple owner during its life, and the information about a car's history since purchased new should be available to any new owner. I don't understand what is the big deal here |
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It is no different than a four lane, wide open roadway with a 25 MPH speed limit, you ignore it at your own peril...………... |
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when I wrote "big deal" I did not mean to disrespect the law,
I understand this had a ruling, my question was why, what is the big deal in keeping these records confidential ? |
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I still blame it on the lawyers! :D:D |
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A couple of the usual ambulance chasers saw a chance to make money off of this and turned the filing into a class action, where anyone that had bought a car or had it serviced was entitled to damages, which they had to share with the ambulance chasers. Because the problem crossed state lines, it became a federal legal matter, which means the ruling affects every shop in the country. Next thing you know, your service data became akin to a national secret. This was your classical pyric victory for the car owners, as very few actually got more than lunch money out of the settlement, the industry is saddled with rules requiring secure storage protection for all customer information, which raised service costs, which were promptly added to every service invoice. Only the lawyers actually won anything of consequence...…….. |
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