IMS again

[maytag]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

There are several IMS kits which provide roller bearings which use pressurized oiling.



There is a kit using a plain bearing similar to the one on the other end of the camshaft and this kit adds pressurized oiling (The Solution).

I think the roller bearing is a disaster, regardless of pressurized oiling.

I'm talking about a plain bearing.



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[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by maytag

I think the roller bearing is a disaster, regardless of pressurized oiling.

I'm talking about a plain bearing.



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You just described the IMS Solution.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

You just described the IMS Solution.

Cool.
I can't tell from their literature if it's replaceable bearing shells that can be replaced as maintenance items when doing a clutch, for instance?

And, I find this bold type.... interesting:

"DESIGNED FOR THE LIFE OF THE ENGINE. 5 YEARS / NO MILEAGE LIMIT WARRANTY"



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[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by maytag

Cool.
I can't tell from their literature if it's replaceable bearing shells that can be replaced as maintenance items when doing a clutch, for instance?

And, I find this bold type.... interesting:

"DESIGNED FOR THE LIFE OF THE ENGINE. 5 YEARS / NO MILEAGE LIMIT WARRANTY"



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The IMS Solution solid bearing is designed to go the life of the engine, we have never seen or heard of one failing, or wearing out. We are aware of a couple that have been pulled out of one engine (having suffered dropped valves or rod failure) and then reinstalled in another engine where they continue to serve without problem. No other IMS retrofit can be reused.

From conversations with those more in the know, they have no designed life expectancy.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

No other IMS retrofit can be reused.

Help me understand why no other IMS retrofit could be reused. Thanks.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Help me understand why no other IMS retrofit could be reused. Thanks.

With a roller bearing or ball bearing, you risk damaging the races in removing the bearing. High risk. As in, it'd be REALLY hard to NOT damage it.

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

With a roller bearing or ball bearing, you risk damaging the races in removing the bearing. High risk. As in, it'd be REALLY hard to NOT damage it.

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That makes sense, thanks.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Help me understand why no other IMS retrofit could be reused. Thanks.

With ball or roller bearing types, the extraction process literally jams the bearings into the race and cages, damaging both. The cages in particular tend to break up and the races get dented or scored due to the force exerted on them. Once this happens, the bearing is going to fail if reused.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

With ball or roller bearing types, the extraction process literally jams the bearings into the race and cages, damaging both. The cages in particular tend to break up and the races get dented or scored due to the force exerted on them. Once this happens, the bearing is going to fail if reused.

Thanks! Makes sense.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

I think the roller bearing is a disaster, regardless of pressurized oiling.

I'm talking about a plain bearing.



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As I wrote in post #8, it's already been done.

IMS Solution – The only permanent fix for M96/M97 engines intermediate shaft bearing problem

Plain bearing.

They call it a "permanent fix" but it's only guaranteed for 5 years! HA!

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by piper6909

They call it a "permanent fix" but it's only guaranteed for 5 years! HA!

And exactly how long did Porsche warrantee the car originally?

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

And exactly how long did Porsche warrantee the car originally?

To my best recollection, Porsche never made the claim that the car will last forever, or that it's "the last car you'll ever need."

My point is that if they make the claim of being the "permanent fix", they should put their money where their mouth is and guarantee it forever.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by piper6909

To my best recollection, Porsche never made the claim that the car will last forever, or that it's "the last car you'll ever need."

My point is that if they make the claim of being the "permanent fix", they should put their money where their mouth is and guarantee it forever.

Let's see: Porsche sold you a $50K+ car (original price depending upon the year) and gave you a "limited" 4 year warrantee. LN sold you a $1K part, and warrantied it for 5 years, in a market where 1 year parts warranties are rare, and 30 days is more the norm. And you are complaining?

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

Let's see: Porsche sold you a $50K+ car (original price depending upon the year) and gave you a "limited" 4 year warrantee. LN sold you a $1K part, and warrantied it for 5 years, in a market where 1 year parts warranties are rare, and 30 days is more the norm. And you are complaining?

I'm not complaining. I just found it funny they claim to be the "Permanent Solution" yet their warranty is only 5 years. Contrary to your belief, many auto part manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty. Even Advance Auto brake pads and calipers come with a lifetime warranty. Carquest Alternators and A/C compressors have a lifetime warranty. etc.etc.

If they want to claim it lasts forever, then guarantee it forever. It's that simple. Put your money where your mouth is. Just saying.

I don't have anything against the product itself, I'm sure it's fine. I'll probably never buy it though, because for me the cost-benefit analysis isn't favorable.

And BTW, same thing goes for the EPS solution.

[particlewave]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

And exactly how long did Porsche warrantee the car originally?

Porsche didn’t call it the “Permanent Vehicle” or “Transportation Solution”, suggesting that the car would never fail.
The “IMS Solution”, however, does suggest that (with a 5 year warranty).

Calling something “permanent” or the “solution” without the data to support it is deceptive, at best.

[Starter986]

Away from the wall. I don't want the inaugural application to be with paint, wallpaper, tile, or cement.