Bmw Z2

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by super66

out of curiosity did a search and it is totally better than the Z4. Z4 = ugly, ugly car, only decent in black cause you can't see the lines.

In terms of eating into the boxster market, it only eats into the boxster's market if the person isn't in the market for a boxster. If you want a porsche you want the porsche, not a pontiac, saturn, miata, you either want a boxster or you don't.

That's just my take on it....

Hi,

Sorry but I have to disagree. Look at all the members who have stated that they looked at several other 2-seat drop tops before settling on the Boxster (such as the Z3, Z4, Miata, SL, etc.). And, we've only heard from those who actually settled on the Boxster, we don't know how many may have gone the other way. The number of buyers is limited, increase supply and the price will drop...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[limoncello]

Z2 - like the concept. Had to take a second look at the "renderings" by various artists, they looked like real photos.
Miata has it right at 2500 lbs. or so, hope BMW can come in under 2800.
The BMW plant is less than 2 hours from home, good for the local economy.
WRT more cars in a limited market chasing a finite number of buyers - it's certainly true to a degree, but I'm a firm believer in competition: as manufacturer's try to win the hearts and minds of the buyer, the products get better and better, and we the consumer/enthusiasts ultimately win. I'm glad that there is so much interest in "our" segment of the market (sports cars in general), to me that's a good thing.

[z12358]

brucelee:
"Automobile Magazine says under 2200 lbs."

Here's what Car and Driver says. Don't mean to pit the articles against each other but 2200 lbs looks a bit too low to me.
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11537/2010-bmw-z2.html
"Unlike today’s Z4, which is powered exclusively by six-cylinder engines, the Z2 will only get four-cylinder power. However, those engines will range in strength from 150 horsepower in base versions all the way to a turbocharged 300-hp, 2.0-liter four-cylinder in the M-tuned version. An expected curb weight of 2800 pounds should allow the Z2 to make the most of that power. "

FWIW, I still like the current Boxster's body better. Not to mention the mid-engine.

[Brucelee]

Dueling magazines.

Automobile states the target weight is 2139 and that the car actually will come with A/C as an option to save weight.

Go figure.

Id rather buy a Miata with 300h.p. That looks dumb a Z2. Only BMW would come up with another dumb looking sports car. I can't wait for the BMW Mini van, I want one of those in my garage. with big crease's all over the place. just hard lines everywhere ugly.

the only credit that i will give bmw is that they make engines that roar in neutral...old M5 sickkkkk. n those xenon lights .....the cat eyes wow wow

[z12358]

Under 2200lbs is right.
http://www.autobild.de/erlkoenige/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=12010
Talks about 970kg (= 2136lbs) vs 1080kg for the MX-5. The 300hp Z2 is going to be one fast MF.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by KronixSpeed

the only credit that i will give bmw is that they make engines that roar in neutral...old M5 sickkkkk. n those xenon lights .....the cat eyes wow wow

No one expects you give BMW credit. Fact is, they make great cars and make great gobs of money.

But, they are not for everyone, obviously.

[super66]

Kronix, I get the impression you hate BMW....lol

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Sorry but I have to disagree. Look at all the members who have stated that they looked at several other 2-seat drop tops before settling on the Boxster (such as the Z3, Z4, Miata, SL, etc.). And, we've only heard from those who actually settled on the Boxster, we don't know how many may have gone the other way. The number of buyers is limited, increase supply and the price will drop...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

MN,

your point is taken but I still have to disagree. Most members that are considering the other vehicles are looking at used boxsters which would definitely make a new convertible at 30 K an option versus a used convertible at 30K. Porsche has marketing people and they know who they target as do all the car companies. I read the article on the Z2 and BMW stated this car is to compete at the entry level with the Miata, Solstice and such forth, never mentioned the boxster. When I considered the boxster, I looked at 2 other cars, the Z4 sitting 20 feet away and SLK sitting 40 feet away....btw there was a honda dealer 10 feet away and never once did the S2000 cross my mind. I'm not their target market. So Porshe know there are people sadly like me who will pay a premium to have a car that just isn't as common, that gives me a great feeling to drive, that in a way symbolizes accomplishment. Yes it very mateialistic but any one who owns a boxster could have bought a VW Bug vert but would you feel the same. That's their market. If you have the roughly 45K you need to get into the base, but decided on a more practical solution, well I really don't think Porsche is interested in marketing practicality....but that's just my .02

[chiefsalami]

I have to agree with super66. The Porsche really is a status symbol, and as such is marketed to certain individuals. Not the same group of people who would typically buy a Miata or S2000 (albeit most probably over their head on what they could afford). There's a reason a new Porsche is $50k+... It's not so much that you are getting that much more in performance (which seems like the only thing most people look at, and ignore the styling of the car), but you're certainly getting more in status symbol. It's like buying a VW Toureg vs a Porsche Cayenne. Almost the same SUV, but the Porsche is marketed at that higher bracket.

For me, styling really has a lot to do with it. My other car right now is a VW R32 (supercharged). I'd buy that any day of the week over the STI, Mitsu EVO, or any other cars that are made to compete with it. Because even though in stock form the VW doesn't perform like the others do, at least it doesn't look like ass. And that means a lot.

[super66]

Originally Posted by chiefsalami

at least it doesn't look like ass. And that means a lot.

amen to all you said chief but especially the quote above. The WRX, ugly, the S2000 looks like a straight up shoe, the Z4 ugly, the solstice gimicky, can you say crossfire, PT cruiser, Prowler, cars of the moment.....but no staying power.....

The porsche looks great...all around great....now the Z2 is an improvement on the Z4, but my only concern is it looks like it might be really small, and real little convertibles like the MR2 spyder I just saw over lunch tend to be better for a nice blonde to drive...

Now if I could only quit liking the miata so damn much!

but Z2 looks good, even Kronix has to admitt

[Brucelee]

"Now if I could only quit liking the miata so damn much!"

For what it is, the miata is a great little car.

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

"Now if I could only quit liking the miata so damn much!"

For what it is, the miata is a great little car.

Hi,

I'm about 99% there toward trading my Boxster for an '07 MX-5 w/ retractable top (does not take up any trunk space).

I could care less about prestige, status or bling, I don't need PORSCHE on the hood badge to feel good about myself. A Miata can give me the performance of the Boxster with very little modification. But, it's reliable, cheap to maintain, and just as much fun.

Going to a Dealer this weekend and if they have one, I'll see what I get in trade, if it's good enough, I'm gone, no regrets about owning the Boxster or losing it... it's just another in a long line of cars for me...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

I'm about 99% there toward trading my Boxster for an '07 MX-5 w/ retractable top (does not take up any trunk space).

I could care less about prestige, status or bling, I don't need PORSCHE on the hood badge to feel good about myself. A Miata can give me the performance of the Boxster with very little modification. But, it's reliable, cheap to maintain, and just as much fun.

Going to a Dealer this weekend and if they have one, I'll see what I get in trade, if it's good enough, I'm gone, no regrets about owning the Boxster or losing it... it's just another in a long line of cars for me...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

You may want to chat with my co-owner of the site, RKWEI. Richard has one fast Miata, Turbo and all. Frankly, it is scary fun to drive.

[NickCats]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

I'm about 99% there toward trading my Boxster for an '07 MX-5 w/ retractable top (does not take up any trunk space).

I could care less about prestige, status or bling, I don't need PORSCHE on the hood badge to feel good about myself. A Miata can give me the performance of the Boxster with very little modification. But, it's reliable, cheap to maintain, and just as much fun.

Going to a Dealer this weekend and if they have one, I'll see what I get in trade, if it's good enough, I'm gone, no regrets about owning the Boxster or losing it... it's just another in a long line of cars for me...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Jim,

So, are you still a Boxster owner or are you now a Miata owner ?

[mtch]

Originally Posted by super66

Kronix, I get the impression you hate BMW....lol



MN,

your point is taken but I still have to disagree. Most members that are considering the other vehicles are looking at used boxsters which would definitely make a new convertible at 30 K an option versus a used convertible at 30K. Porsche has marketing people and they know who they target as do all the car companies. I read the article on the Z2 and BMW stated this car is to compete at the entry level with the Miata, Solstice and such forth, never mentioned the boxster. When I considered the boxster, I looked at 2 other cars, the Z4 sitting 20 feet away and SLK sitting 40 feet away....btw there was a honda dealer 10 feet away and never once did the S2000 cross my mind. I'm not their target market. So Porshe know there are people sadly like me who will pay a premium to have a car that just isn't as common, that gives me a great feeling to drive, that in a way symbolizes accomplishment. Yes it very mateialistic but any one who owns a boxster could have bought a VW Bug vert but would you feel the same. That's their market. If you have the roughly 45K you need to get into the base, but decided on a more practical solution, well I really don't think Porsche is interested in marketing practicality....but that's just my .02

Your first line says that the point is taken, but it's obviously not. MN's point is that this car will decrease the value of "our cars" meaning used boxsters. Our cars are roadsters in the $25K-$40K price rance, and so are the 350Z, S2k, miata, Z2, etc. You make a good point that Porsche marketing has its act together, but his concern is the value of our cars years from now. If potential buyers can choose between a new Z2 and a used Boxster, than there is competition, which decreses value.

[super66]

Originally Posted by mtch

Your first line says that the point is taken, but it's obviously not. MN's point is that this car will decrease the value of "our cars" meaning used boxsters. Our cars are roadsters in the $25K-$40K price rance, and so are the 350Z, S2k, miata, Z2, etc. You make a good point that Porsche marketing has its act together, but his concern is the value of our cars years from now. If potential buyers can choose between a new Z2 and a used Boxster, than there is competition, which decreses value.

I know Bruce, I am a sucker for the Miata....and mtch....the point is taken, but I don't think it concerns porsche. I mean the value of your used car is your concern. So the mindset is if someone is in the market for a porsche, they are buying a porsche...and if the demand is less and it means less on the road then better for me because I'll draw that many more looks. This argument can be made for just about ANY car. Especially if you are worried about a 99 or 2000 model, generally newer cars have more features, more power, more desirable traits. Previous models suffer, that's just common sense. I mean is porsche to dump more powerful engines in the cars of everyone who bought a used boxster so they can have a better value?

So if you are going to make an investment into a vehicle, make sure you get it how you want and its exactly what you want because to argue that a car is a good investment that holds it value, well we should all know better by now.