Getting ready to lower engine
 

In a previous post it was suggested I use an engine lift to lower my 2.5L engine. I asked where do you attach the lift to and never got a response. With that said, is the bracket on top of the throttle body the correct place to attach the lift to?
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there is a porsche tool - a bar that straddles the engine bay opening. it has a chain that attaches to the point indicated on the throttle body; designed to hold the engine in place when transmission is removed.

probably strong enough, but i think most folks wrap the engine with webbing or chain and lift that way. you've got the car high enough that you might want to consider a lift table of some sort, or perhaps just fix the engine in place, remove the transmission, and roll an engine stand in there to connect directly to the engine while still in the car ...

I have no knowledge, but that bracket surely isnt strong enough to support a full engine lift will it?

I used one of these:

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200309403_200309403?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Automotive%20 %3E%20Engine%20Hoists%20%2B%20Stands%20%3E%20Hoist ing%20Accessories&utm_campaign=Torin%20Big%20Red&u tm_content=144843&gclid=CjwKCAjw0ujYBRBDEiwAn7BKt5 uzNqCuwCO34lfkCRc_MurJ20OVk9SvV9GUgNNI_CkAlBFZ62e3 phoCZG4QAvD_BwE

If the link doesn't work its at Northern Tool and its called the Torin Big Red Engine Support Bar. $99 and it worked great to support the engine from above.

Held the engine in the same method as is in this thread:

http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/37984-winter-project-2.html

I am pretty sure the bracket was attached to the block, not the throttle body.

Dave
TX
2001S

I used a hydraulic jack under a 3/4 in plywood cradle I made. Balance is an issue but I found working carefully there was little drama.

From where did you read about that? I'm curious.

Probably in the factory service manual which states that bracket is used to support the engine while the gear box is out.

So am I the only one freaked out by the angle of the car on jack stands? :eek:

I have had mine +/-20" off the ground on several occasions. Using 'Liftbars' and standard jack stands. But, it is always level. Be ever so careful sir.

I had the same thought. :eek: Maybe its just me, but there is no way I'd get under that car.

I have a four post lift. Before I get under it, I always lower the deck onto the fixed stops on the posts so there is an actual mechanical stop holding the deck/car rather than relying solely on hydraulic pressure. Then I place tall jack stands under both ends of the deck to hold it up in case the mechanical stops fail. You can never be too safe under a car.

Flouese, kudos for attacking this job but please stay safe. If nothing else, do me a favor and throw some blocks in front of the front tires to keep the car from inadvertently rolling forward.

No, Inwrote it off as he gave it a good stability check and the photo makes it look worse the it is! Great shade tree mechanic pic for safety ad!

I dont see any choke under front tire, if you keep the angle you might add a chalk block for some extra safety.

Be safe brother!

Oh... I’m with Stone on this one. I’d be really hard pressed to try to drop a motor at that angle. I use like 14 jack stands (kidding) when I’m under the car. That just looks a bit scary. Getting the engine aligned to get it back in would be very difficult too. Be careful under that!

Actually, I did respond to that question. I mentioned that there was a loop near the TB for that purpose.

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I had mine up that high when I swapped my engine. Y'all are right, it is fairly unstable. I used stacked 2x8 slabs as insurance to catch it when it came off the jackstands Mine moved laterally. Several times, scared the heck out of me.

The other thing is that when the engine/trans is lowered to the furniture dolly, I reinforced mine with 3/4 inch plywood, it's very important to keep the assembly strapped to the dolly. Ratcheting motorcycle straps work really well for this.

There are two of the bolts that hold the trans to the rear of the engine on top. I used one of these to drop the engine with my cherry picker. You need something on the front of the engine, too, I used a loop of webbing around the power steering pump pulley and then hooked onto it with a second lift chain.

+ 1 on this one, it looks like an accident waiting to happen...

Please lower the rear until the bottom of the car is parallel to the floor, you should have enough space, also will be way easier to reach from the top.

Please be safe...

At least put the wheels under the car so if it falls off the jack stands, it will land on those before crushing you. A friend of mine was crushed when his car cam off the jack stands. His funeral was very, very sad.

My engine support bar finally arrived. Now my questions is; where do you attach it to? Do you use the piece on the throttle body (as shown in original post)? Is there a second attachment point?

I wouldnt attacth it to the throttlebody, that doesnt look like it will support the engine weight.

I am never getting under a car on jack stands. This is nuts!


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Jack stands are perfectly fine when used properly.

BIRD DOG's RULES FOR JACK STAND SAFETY
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Don't exceed the weight limit of the jack stands.

Double them up. If one fails, no problem. They're inexpensive.

Keep the car level whenever possible.

Don't put the car up in the air any higher than necessary.

Place the wheels you remove under the rocker panels so that if it does come down, it will land on those instead of crushing you.

and...

When the car is safely up in the air, place your jack (the one that got it up there) underneath as another layer of protection. You want to place it at the closest jack point you can find as close to where you will be under the car, but where it won't interfere with what you are doing. Jack it up until it just touches the car. If you use a wheeled jack, that adds an additional bit of safety because if the car moves, the jack will move with it and keep at least that spot up in the air (and off of you).

More than one jack stand would have to fail, the wheels you placed under the rocker panels would have to magically fly sideways out from under the car, and your jack would have to fail in order for that thing to crush you. It could still theoretically come down, but at least it won't crush you.

Plus, when jacking up only the front or rear, use wheel chocks on the other two wheels. They are really inexpensive (like $7 for 2 at Northern Tool).

Dying from using jack stands automatically qualifies you to be a finalist for the Darwin Awards. Be safe! Don't let it be you!

Ok, that's my 2 cents. Please be safe!

Down South Thing
 

I have a railroad crosstie ( you can buy them most anywhere) cut into 4 pieces....I put these under the car in case the jack stand were to fail....the wood would stop the car....I would probably get hurt if it fail.....but the car would go no further. I also have a large piece of Tygon Hose cut in half and on the top of each jack stand to have some bite and not mar the bottom of the car. Redundancy in your friend here

I didn't notice before but the front is on ramps, so the angle overall may not be as bad as the photo makes it out. I am sure he can tell if the car feels good and stable.

Thought I would still put a choke under the front tire.

Now does anybody know where he should be connecting to the engine to lift it out?

I appreciate all the safety tips. Since the car was initially jacked up, there are additional supports to prevent the car from moving. I have taken every precaution to ensure the car will not fall on me. Additionally, those are 3 ton jacks with a 12" foot print, they aren't moving.

Back to the original question, what do I attach the engine support bar too?

Well not sure you have seen this DIY on engine removal, only issue is they use a jack to lower it. But thought if you hadn't seen it has losts of other good info.

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/15-ENGINE-Engine_Drop/15-ENGINE-Engine_Drop.htm

Just a suggestion would use a couple of nylon Tie down straps and wrap around the bottom of the engine maybe cross like an x on the bottom. I haven't done it, so just trying to add some helpful suggestions.

Here is a website where I gentleman dropped engine with one of those bars and photo of it connected.

Project NUTROD

The throttle body is attached to plastic.
So no, I wouldn’t attach a lift there.
I’m not certain where I would attach one.
I normally drop from below without a cherry picker.

Thanks. This was helpful

The loop is actually bolted to the engine block. It doesn’t put any stress on the throttle body.

THANK YOU! Finally...

Finally confirmation! In the pics that didnt look solid, however in that link i posted for you looked solid and the guy was using it I thank! :D

The engine is out. To all the Porsche purists this looked unsafe and unorthodox. With that said, the removal went smoothly, there was zero movement on the car with it on the ramps and jack stands.

On a separate topic, my 4 year old grandson was checking out the replacement motor. He handed me a hose and said "look what I found." Can someone identify the hose and its location? I did a side-by-side comparison to my old motor and still couldn't find it. HELP, please.http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1530451547.jpg
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My first guess, without running to a Boxster to double check, is Power Steering Reservoir vent/drain hose.

Congrats on your progress!

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Thanks. Looks like a fit

Yep, the infernal hose that pours PS fluid right on top of the engine into all sorts of deep nooks and crannies, that are basically impossible to get to without pulling the intake crossovers! :eek:

Can a longer hose be substituted to vent the PS fluid elsewhere?

yes, of course

Congrats on getting it out.

When I did mine, I had the tip bolted up to the motor. Was amazing to me how easy it was to get the assembly properly lined up and raised into the bay.

Congrats on getting 'er done! Is that a floor jack on top of a motorcycle jack underneath that motor? That's bold! Although, I recently pulled the tranny off a Subaru outback with a floor jack under the tranny and a cherry picker to lift the car enough to drag the tranny out. You work with what you have LOL.