LNE products "solution vs time honered IMS bearing retrofit

[mikefocke]

I pose a question like this when someone ask this.

How will you feel if you do The Solution and have an accident the next day or the engine fails from one of the other 28 modes of failure?

How much to put into preventative maintenance is so subjective. I'm convinced there is no right answer. I've over-maintained more cars than I've under-maintained. But I never saved on safety items like tires and brakes.

And you can't be sure it is even a candidate for an IMS replacement in certain Cayman years or if it has a replacement engine.

[10/10ths]

....well, what happens if a gigantic asteroid hits our planet and we all die in a flash tomorrow?

Come on, man!

By that reasoning, we'd never do anything.

Why fix the IMS when any number of other things could grenade the engine?

Simple---Because we KNOW that can grenade the engine and we have the ability to prevent that from happening for sure. At least we KNOW that problem is solved.

Don't suffer paralysis by analysis.

FWIW, when I bought my 986 about three years ago, I immediately flat bedded her to Flat 6 Innovations and had them install the "solution", R&R the RMS, Air/oil separator, water pump, all three cam chain tensioners, all the spark plugs, clutch, and flywheel.

Cheap?

No.

Priceless.

We've driven her all over the country with no fear and have been enjoying life.

EVERY car out there has some sort of flaw that affects a certain percentage of the build. After 20 years we all know what can grenade a 986. You just budget the preventative fixes into the purchase price of the car. Deal with it. It is what it is.

Just add $8,000 to the purchase price of any 986 for this work. Simple.

You can't expect to buy one of these for $5,000 on Auto Trader an expect a trouble free life.

That's what Civics are for.

I over paid for a solid car with full history and then invested even more money to make sure she would not leave us on the side of the road in Canyonlands.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

I pose a question like this when someone ask this.

How will you feel if you do The Solution and have an accident the next day or the engine fails from one of the other 28 modes of failure?

How much to put into preventative maintenance is so subjective. I'm convinced there is no right answer. I've over-maintained more cars than I've under-maintained. But I never saved on safety items like tires and brakes.

And you can't be sure it is even a candidate for an IMS replacement in certain Cayman years or if it has a replacement engine.

Mike, by far, customers that request the IMS Solution from the outset do so as an economic consideration. Yes, the Solution costs more, but if you are paying to get it done, and plan on keeping the car for a bit, the Solution makes more sense than getting one of the ceramic hybrids, simply because it is "once, and done". People seem to forget that the labor costs to simply get at the IMS is vastly more than any the costs of any retrofit kit, so doing in once now, and then again after so many miles does not always add up.

[dav9515]

while i get the appeal of a "do it once, and do it right" mentality, which i absolutely share, the "work" to get at the IMS bearing is the same work to get at a clutch so the idea of "paying for it once" in this case has a bit of an Achilles heel. If the clutch was a lifetime part then yes the solution would make the most "economic" sense.

Not putting down either choice, abstract of money everyone would do the "solution" but high mileage cars and the real idea on not as much how long you will keep the car but how many miles you will actually put on it is how i view it.

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

Mike, by far, customers that request the IMS Solution from the outset do so as an economic consideration. Yes, the Solution costs more, but if you are paying to get it done, and plan on keeping the car for a bit, the Solution makes more sense than getting one of the ceramic hybrids, simply because it is "once, and done". People seem to forget that the labor costs to simply get at the IMS is vastly more than any the costs of any retrofit kit, so doing in once now, and then again after so many miles does not always add up.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by dav9515

while i get the appeal of a "do it once, and do it right" mentality, which i absolutely share, the "work" to get at the IMS bearing is the same work to get at a clutch so the idea of "paying for it once" in this case has a bit of an Achilles heel. If the clutch was a lifetime part then yes the solution would make the most "economic" sense.

Not putting down either choice, abstract of money everyone would do the "solution" but high mileage cars and the real idea on not as much how long you will keep the car but how many miles you will actually put on it is how i view it.

With the exception of outright abuse cases, we are seeing pretty high mileage for clutch replacements, usually well over 100K and some approaching 200K. Stop and think about how many ceramic hybrids that would be before the clutch came up again. The Solution does make economic sense from that stand point...….

We are also seeing Solution cars commanding a premium at PPI/resale time for that reason alone.