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BIGJake111 01-26-2016 04:10 PM

Can we call ours 718 now?
 
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-boxster-model-series-718-roadster-12163.html

It's here.

Quick facts 2.0 in the base and 2.5 with variable turbine geometry in the S.

Base is 300hp and S is 350. Officially 100 more for each then where they stood at the start.

Base 0 to 100kmph 4.7

S 0 to 100kmph 4.2 (Wow!)

Top speeds in the 170s I think.

Manual still available.


Also the Boxster is now more expensive then the Cayman.

Fintro11 01-26-2016 04:14 PM

can you call yours a 987 or a 981 ?

BIGJake111 01-26-2016 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fintro11 (Post 481612)
can you call yours a 987 or a 981 ?


I think this car is still the 981 internally.

Can you call a 996 a 911?

VGM911 01-26-2016 06:50 PM

When Nissan re-named the Stanza (to "Altima"), the old Stanzas did not become Altimas.

So....when Porsche introduces a new 781, the older Boxsters will not become 781s; however, the Boxster name survives the change.

Retroman1969 01-26-2016 07:57 PM

Cool! That's pretty official. Nice to see images that aren't spy shots of a test mule.
Honestly, there are some touches I really like.
Kind of dig the floating Porsche nameplate.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...pskbj2w4e8.jpg

The taillights have been trimmed and are more understated, and I like the smaller ducktail spoiler. The huge lights and awkward "integrated" spoiler of the 981 never struck me right.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...psnhp6aaig.jpg

Finally adopted the 918 steering wheel which is a very trim and classic throwback.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...psn9tabwed.jpg

Anxious to drive one to see how the 4 pot feels.

I won't be calling mine a 718 though. It is what it is. ;)

VGM911 01-26-2016 08:27 PM

It looks beautiful.....very nice evolution of the original design.

I'm wondering if there will be a "badge delete" option relating to the "718 Boxster S" at the rear.

particlewave 01-26-2016 08:36 PM

I still don't like the headlights. :D

I grew up with the round headlight Porsches and nothing else looks right.
I want these...

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...A2B4D1A0C2.jpg

Porsche9 01-26-2016 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGM911 (Post 481636)
I'm wondering if there will be a "badge delete" option relating to the "718 Boxster S" at the rear.

If not fishing line will help do the job to remove the mouthful.

VGM911 01-26-2016 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche9 (Post 481639)
If not fishing line will help do the job to remove the mouthful.


Amen to that!

Pominoz 01-27-2016 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 481611)
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-boxster-model-series-718-roadster-12163.html

It's here.

Quick facts 2.0 in the base and 2.5 with variable turbine geometry in the S.

Base is 300hp and S is 350. Officially 100 more for each then where they stood at the start.

Base 0 to 100kmph 4.7

S 0 to 100kmph 4.2 (Wow!)

Top speeds in the 170s I think.

Manual still available.


Also the Boxster is now more expensive then the Cayman.

My Subaru Liberty (legacy) has a 2.5 flat 4. I think I'll change the badge to say
718 Liberty S. ��

BIGJake111 01-27-2016 03:13 AM

I have to say, the design was a step in the right direction. The car keeps the masculine feel of the 981 but lost a lot of the hard edges. The interior reminds me a lot more of the 987 and 986 then 981. Also the rear has a much cleaner look with the lights.

This car makes the 987 look more attractive to me then it had when we only had the 986 and 981 to compare it to.

ekam 01-27-2016 03:19 AM

Nope. Mine has a naturally balanced flat-6 and I like it that way.

Retroman1969 01-27-2016 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 481637)
I still don't like the headlights. :D

Agreed, while I like the changes to the rear and interior (everything cleaned up and softened, yet more muscular, as Jake said), and the profile is very nice, the front end is still a bit off to me.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...pstuxxx1oq.jpg

Those darned headlights are even larger and more square, as are the grilles, and that hard line on the nose doesn't help. It makes the front end look too tall and almost like a front engined car. Un-Porsche like to me anyway.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...psbojskign.jpg

VGM911 01-27-2016 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGM911 (Post 481636)
It looks beautiful.....very nice evolution of the original design.

I'm wondering if there will be a "badge delete" option relating to the "718 Boxster S" at the rear.

Now that I've thought about it a little more, I'd also delete the "PORSCHE" letters on the back, as well, to clean things up.

husker boxster 01-27-2016 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 481637)
I still don't like the headlights. :D

I grew up with the round headlight Porsches and nothing else looks right.
I want these...

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...A2B4D1A0C2.jpg

STOP publishing porn!

Retroman1969 01-27-2016 04:35 AM

First full commercials have been released...
http://youtu.be/zY7JuP32Fr8

http://youtu.be/s9hgIAfe-f0

I'll say one thing for sure, Porsche knows how to advertise. :)

grc0456 01-27-2016 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroman1969 (Post 481669)
First full commercials have been released...
http://youtu.be/zY7JuP32Fr8

http://youtu.be/s9hgIAfe-f0

I'll say one thing for sure, Porsche knows how to advertise. :)


You can say that again! And no mention of the 4 [emoji6]


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Smallblock454 01-27-2016 06:02 AM

A liitle bit more video material where you can see the car better:
https://youtu.be/GVt2pBCYhpw

Infos on the Porsche website:
Porsche 718 Boxster S - Porsche Deutschland
Porsche 718 Boxster - Porsche Deutschland

Webspecial:
Mitten im Sport. Der neue 718 Boxster. | Porsche Deutschland

In the webspecial you can hear the exhaust note. Well it's a 4 cylinder.

Regards
Markus

BIGJake111 01-27-2016 06:06 AM

I think the front has a very Mclaren sort of feel. Not that I care too much for that, but it does look high end.

jb92563 01-27-2016 06:39 AM

Don't like it. Not buying one :p

It seems to have continued the trend of losing the classic smooth soothing curves and has got a lot more aggressive and fad like hardness to the shape.

The shape change is like going from Marilyn Monroe to an East German woman body builder. Auto shape changes are typically cyclic as folks get bored with all the cars looking the same so perhaps they will go smooth and curvy again in 10 years.

I'm appreciating my 986 a lot more now :).

Porsche9 01-27-2016 06:40 AM

I've always only been interested in the S but the base is at a level were it offers plenty of power and overall capability. It has the same hp and more torque then a 3.4 996 which works for me.

rick3000 01-27-2016 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb92563 (Post 481682)
Don't like it. Not buying one :p

It seems to have continued the trend of losing the classic smooth soothing curves and has got a lot more aggressive and fad like hardness to the shape.

The shape change is like going from Marilyn Monroe to an East German woman body builder. Auto shape changes are typically cyclic as folks get bored with all the cars looking the same so perhaps they will go smooth and curvy again in 10 years.

I'm appreciating my 986 a lot more now :).

I agree with this sentiment, they have certainly strayed very far from the original 986 design inspiration of the 550.

jdraupp 01-27-2016 07:18 AM

Not a fan. Maybe it grows on me, but it looks like a vw roadster, not a Porsche. And the over badging lends me to believe im not the only one who thinks that.

And I don't care what porsche says, the flat four sound will never replace the unmistakable sound of the flat 6.

Giller 01-27-2016 08:14 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - I think it's gorgeous! Granted, it will be years and years till I will ever be able to own one (by then, everyone will love the Turbo 4 and will be complaining now they are all electric!).

To each their own, but I think Porsche has done a great job over the years maintaining the traditional look while still making it modern and desirable.

grc0456 01-27-2016 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giller (Post 481697)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - I think it's gorgeous! Granted, it will be years and years till I will ever be able to own one (by then, everyone will love the Turbo 4 and will be complaining now they are all electric!).



To each their own, but I think Porsche has done a great job over the years maintaining the traditional look while still making it modern and desirable.


Agree. Looks nice to me. However, the jury is still out on the 4.


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BIGJake111 01-27-2016 09:49 AM

It's more in line with the 550 then the 981. 986 looked like a 550 from the 90s, 987 looked like a 986 made to fit into the pre 2008 flash of realtors and pocketbooks, 981 looks like Porsche telling the world it's not a women's car, and 718 looks like they're going futuristic but smooth futuristic, you can see the influences from the mission E, things are smoother and I think the interior is the best in the 718 since a well optioned 986 as well.

911monty 01-27-2016 10:09 AM

Dammit!!! I was trying hard to not be the "Purist". I like the interior, the 987 interior was never going to work for me. However to this day I always stop to hear the unmistakably sweet sound of an air-cooled Porsche motor going by. While the Boxster is not as busy at low speed as an air-cooled, chains happily bouncing along, once up to 4k rpm there is enough similarity in sound to raise the heartbeat. I tried hard, but if the clips accurately portray the true sound and I put on headphones to listen, then what a let down. Sounds like a 924.

thstone 01-27-2016 11:20 AM

What is the point of the 718 moniker if they are keeping the Boxster name?

If its to avoid confusion and reinforce that concept that the 718 is the Boxster, then why isn't the new 911 called "981.2 Carrera 911"? Some how 911 buyers can figure it out but not Boxster buyers?

Porsche9 01-27-2016 11:22 AM

I fear the Porsche badge on the back may take more to remove. Ugh. It just so damn tacky. There is no need to advertise that the car is a Porsche. People who care just know and for everyone else it's just "look at what I'm driving".

The sound is a concern too but I will reserve judgment until I hear it for myself.

The look of 718 has definitely changed compared to the 986/987. My biggest beef is that if has grown in size. I rather they scale it back to the size of the 986 and maybe reduce the weight.

Porsche9 01-27-2016 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 481714)
What is the point of the 718 moniker if they are keeping the Boxster name?

If its to avoid confusion and reinforce that concept that the 718 is the Boxster, then why isn't the new 911 called "981.2 Carrera 911"? Some how 911 buyers can figure it out but not Boxster buyers?

No, no it's "Porsche 991.2 Carrera 911 Turbo Targa". This is what needs to be on the back of the car. :barf:

boxxster 01-27-2016 11:27 AM

It think it sounds pretty similar to every other modern 4 cyl turbo (focus st, mini jcw, 500 abarth etc). That's not to say it sounds bad, it just might lose some appeal to the small percentage of buyers who are die hard flat 6 fans. I think it looks pretty good in and out, apart from all the wording on the back. For those saying that the front is too square and tall, keep in mind manufacturers have to work around pedestrian impact standards that seem to get stricter and stricter by the year. The 986 would not be legal if it were designed today.

BIGJake111 01-27-2016 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 481714)
What is the point of the 718 moniker if they are keeping the Boxster name?

If its to avoid confusion and reinforce that concept that the 718 is the Boxster, then why isn't the new 911 called "981.2 Carrera 911"? Some how 911 buyers can figure it out but not Boxster buyers?


Two reasons why it's called 718.

One. so they can say heritage in the same sentence as 4 cylinder

Two. So they can charge more for the convertible as its now the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman same as 911 Cabriolet and 911 Carrera.

Not bad marketing at all, but it's odd to retrofit a number to a model that already exists without killing off the Boxster name.

Perfectlap 01-27-2016 02:16 PM

Interesting...it wasn't until this thread that I really compared the 986 headlights to the 718.
Pretty easy to see where the kidney bean headlight inspiration came from..... it wasn't the
VW beetle aka Typ 1 headlights like was the case with the 911, 356 and 550.
Note the headlights blended into the signature fenders instead of being screwed on like light bulbs.


Gallery or Tasteful Porsches with the Engine in the Correct Place:

718
http://www.bdlive.co.za/incoming/201...Spyder+of+1960

Yours truly
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1325478822.jpg

550
http://images.classiccars.com/classi...%2BReplica.jpg

356A#1 (aka the original Boxster: mid engine, 4 cylinder two buckets roadster)
http://www.motorsportsmarketingresou...ncours-540.jpg

thstone 01-27-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche9 (Post 481717)
No, no it's "Porsche 991.2 Carrera 911 Turbo Targa". This is what needs to be on the back of the car. :barf:

Haha! You're absolutely right! (what a mess Porsche has created)

Pirate50 01-27-2016 06:35 PM

I don't like the front end as much as the older Boxsters, however, I think the rear end looks like a better, more modern evolution of the 986 rear than the 981. Pause the video at the point you are directly behind the Seal Gray 718 and you will see it better. I have to admit that i still like it very much but wish they would drop the Boxster name. Never cared for it too much.

Sassmatt72 01-27-2016 06:58 PM

Mine is a 4 cly, can I call mine a 718? ...
 
So my Subaru EJ 2.5L conversion (heart transplant) is a 4 cyl,...

So I'm asking can I call it a 718???

Lovin the drive either way.

Retroman1969 01-27-2016 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate50 (Post 481774)
I don't like the front end as much as the older Boxsters, however, I think the rear end looks like a better, more modern evolution of the 986 rear than the 981. Pause the video at the point you are directly behind the Seal Gray 718 and you will see it better. I have to admit that i still like it very much but wish they would drop the Boxster name. Never cared for it too much.

This is my sentiments exactly.
Pirate said it better than I did. ;)

Pominoz 01-27-2016 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smallblock454 (Post 481680)
A liitle bit more video material where you can see the car better:
https://youtu.be/GVt2pBCYhpw

Infos on the Porsche website:
Porsche 718 Boxster S - Porsche Deutschland
Porsche 718 Boxster - Porsche Deutschland

Webspecial:
Mitten im Sport. Der neue 718 Boxster. | Porsche Deutschland

In the webspecial you can hear the exhaust note. Well it's a 4 cylinder.

Regards
Markus

You are being polite about the engine sound. It's far worse than I thought it would be, in fact I wonder if the engineers have made it sound that bad to try and kill it off. :)

I was trying to think what it reminded me of, and I've just remembered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeX13TlHEXo

BIGJake111 01-28-2016 03:14 AM

I showed my girlfriend the video and what she liked most was the sound of the car Reving at the end as it reminds her a bit more of the muscle cars she grew up liking.

Time for some brain washing to a true flat 6 sound.

Perfectlap 01-28-2016 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate50 (Post 481774)
I have to admit that i still like it very much but wish they would drop the Boxster name. Never cared for it too much.

The whole giving Porsche's "names" is nothing more than marketing crap.
The other German luxury brands wisely avoided it.
And Porsche have been really inconsistent about it to boot. The 911 got a redundant name, but the other step children did not.
That is until the Boxster came along but that was really only to hype up a new model but in a way that would strip it of its race history, which pre-dated that of the 911, so as not to upstage the flag ship.
So Porsche had to give it an all new identity to have it appear as an upstart.
And then they went fully redundant by giving the coupe version of the Boxster a different name even though it was just a variant! The Carrera Cabriolet and Carrera Coupe are still both Carreras but the Cayman and Boxster are discussed as if they are different models... Which is exactly what Porsche wanted because they intended to market the Cayman as a stepping stone car to upsell the buyer into the more profitable Carrera.
It's all clever marketing.


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