First track day

[Mark_T]

Had my first go at driving my Boxster on a track this week (after only seven seasons of owning it). The local PCA chapter put on a members only, Porsche only, track day at Gimli Motorsport Park. Porsche Canada sent out four instructors and two cars for the day, and the event was heavily subsidized by Porsche Centre Winnipeg, including breakfast, lunch, and supper (thanks again fellas!)

Unbelievable how well these cars actually perform. I learned all about picking apex and exit points, using throttle to rotate the car coming out of corners (cool!), braking, heel-toe shifting, remembering to breath, and all that nifty racing stuff. I had no idea the car could go this fast through the corners.

Thanks again to thstone for his tips on tire pressure - that worked out really well.

This guy showed up with a brand new 918. It was his first time driving it and he was, get this... 83! Here's a pic of his car with my black Boxster in the background.

[RedTele58]

Be careful - it gets addicting!

And yes, thanks go to Tom - he is a wealth of information!

[Mark_T]

Yeah, I can see that. One of the instructors took me for a few quick laps in this:



It was really helpful as I could then see that I was trying to carry too much speed into the corners. More braking = faster laps

[husker boxster]

Or the old axiom: slow in, fast out.

If you don't have one already, get a GoPro and mount it where you can see what you're doing as well as out the windshield. You will learn so much by replaying your sessions. Also listen to it. Listen when you're lifting and getting back on the gas.

As a newbie, you want to be slow and get faster. Trying to be fast off the bat is dangerous. But watching your sessions afterwards will be one of the best ways to learn where to improve. The bullets are flying fast when it's happening, so having the ability to review afterwards in a calm setting is invaluable. You'll be surprised what you might see vs what you think you're doing.

Welcome to the addictive & expensive hobby of DE.

[Mark_T]

I'd like for it to become addictive, but I've retired early by accepting a simpler lifestyle. This track day was my summer vacation. Short, but worth every penny. Hope to do it again next year.

[flaps10]

As someone who has not done a track day but would like to, I have a few questions.

How did your tech inspection go and were there any things you had to fix that you could have addressed ahead of time? What things did you see other people get dinged for that could save some of the rest of us a set back?

I've read the checklist put out by my chapter. One item that I saw on the list but have not seen discussed was an item about the seat belt ages. Did you have to replace yours to comply?

How much wear did your car get on the track? I'm really only thinking about tires and brakes here.

[Mark_T]

Originally Posted by flaps10

How did your tech inspection go?

How much wear did your car get on the track? I'm really only thinking about tires and brakes here.

There was no tech inspection however, I did make every effort to make sure my car was track ready and safe. I had fairly new tires and brakes, and I replaced my brake fluid a couple of days before the event. I carefully inspected the car to make sure I had no oil or coolant leaks and, just to be sure, I took it into the dealership for an inspection in case I missed anything. As far as wear, I lost very little thickness from my pads even though my wheels were black with brake dust by the end of the day. I definitely took a couple of mm's of rubber off the tires, especially the front, but I did not wear them anywhere near to the point of replacement. I could probably run another two or three track days like this one before they were completely shot. I expect them to now last for the rest of the summer, at least.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by flaps10

One item that I saw on the list but have not seen discussed was an item about the seat belt ages. Did you have to replace yours to comply?

Factory seat belts are normally good for the life of the car so its not a worry for most car owners who want to take their street car to the track. Aftermarket harnesses require replacement every 5 years. I can't explain why the difference.

Originally Posted by flaps10

How much wear did your car get on the track? I'm really only thinking about tires and brakes here.

If the brakes and tires are in good condition beforehand, the typical first time driver on a track is not likely to be pushing the car anywhere near hard enough to wear out the tires or brakes in a single day. Of course, it can be done if you really try hard enough, but its not typically an issue.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Mark_T

This guy showed up with a brand new 918. It was his first time driving it and he was, get this... 83!

^ my Hero. Sex may be fatal at that age but at least a Porsche is manageable risk.

[Laflamme02]

Originally Posted by Mark_T

Had my first go at driving my Boxster on a track this week (after only seven seasons of owning it). The local PCA chapter put on a members only, Porsche only, track day at Gimli Motorsport Park. Porsche Canada sent out four instructors and two cars for the day, and the event was heavily subsidized by Porsche Centre Winnipeg, including breakfast, lunch, and supper (thanks again fellas!)

I am VERY interested in getting onto the track for the first time. Would you mind sharing the cost of the event? I've heard everything from $40 to $400 for a track day. I really have no idea.

I also would like to know if your normal insurance is valid when on a track or if something bad happens are you S-O-L? How do people manage that aspect?

[Mark_T]

Originally Posted by Laflamme02

I am VERY interested in getting onto the track for the first time. Would you mind sharing the cost of the event?

I also would like to know if your normal insurance is valid when on a track or if something bad happens are you S-O-L? How do people manage that aspect?

The entry fee was $750. I had a Porsche instructor in my car coaching me for about 1/3 of the time. I then had one of the instructors do a lead-chase session with me, me in my car and he in his, and provide coaching via two-way radio for the duration. Plus there was an autocross event with an instructor in the car. The fee also included a pretty high-end breakfast, lunch, and supper courtesy of Porsche Centre Winnipeg. I felt I got very good value for what it cost.

Oh, and I burned about $60 worth of gas.

As it was an education event and not a racing event, my regular auto insurance had me completely covered. That's how it works here in Manitoba but I can't speak for anywhere else.

[j.fro]

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Mid engine Porsches rule!!! I know that was a great day.

[paulofto]

Mark, glad you had a great track day. The weather gods were shining on you. I can't imagine what it would have been like a few days earlier on the May long weekend with that horrible weather.

So the new 918 owner is 83 . . . . then there is still hope for me I guess..

[Mark_T]

Originally Posted by paulofto

Mark, glad you had a great track day. The weather gods were shining on you. I can't imagine what it would have been like a few days earlier on the May long weekend with that horrible weather.

So the new 918 owner is 83 . . . . then there is still hope for me I guess..

Paul, check out the snow along the barricade on the right:



Btw, I met your old buddy that you were telling me about... girlfriend's brother or something like that? Hopefully see you at the next meeting.

[paulofto]

Originally Posted by Mark_T

Paul, check out the snow along the barricade on the right:



Btw, I met your old buddy that you were telling me about... girlfriend's brother or something like that? Hopefully see you at the next meeting.

Cool, I didn't realize Gilles was going to the event. I think that is his 996 on the right in the pic. For the record he is my older sisters former boy friend . . . from the early '70's. He (and I) are old, but not quite as old as the 918 owner.

[RandallNeighbour]

Lafamme02: PCA track weekends here are $300 for the event registration. Add to that a half a set of brake pads for newbies and 1/4 set of tire tread shot if you're a hot dog around the corners. You'll also get a whopping 7 mpg so toss in a tank of fuel every day of driving. Add two night's motels in there. And then there's the needed oil change after the event because you've heated it up real good and often.

So when I sign up for a PCA high speed DE weekend (Sat and Sunday driving, 4 - 30 minute sessions per day) I save up a grand. You may not spend this much on your first one, but it includes the wear and tear on the brake pads/discs and tires and the oil change afterwards.

Let me also say that a lot of tracks have open track days and you're out there with all kinds of drivers (skilled and unskilled) and all kinds of cars. Be careful on these days because I have seen some wild-ass driving. Last time, I was on the track with two McClarens and they chased each other around that track aggressively until one spun out in a tight turn and the other one broadsided him before he could get out of the way. Both gorgeous cars when home on flatbeds. I thought I was going to cry but choked back the tears.

That accident shut the whole track down for 2 hours and killed the entire rest of the day for all of us. Just goes to show having money and having driving skills and brains don't always go together.

The PCA events are very different. Lots of instruction, rules, regulations, run groups, and lots and lots of needed education about physics, finding the line, learning when to brake, etc. Highly recommended that every Pcar owner go at least once to see what their car can do and how much they have to learn about driving.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

That accident shut the whole track down for 2 hours and killed the entire rest of the day for all of us. Just goes to show having money and having driving skills and brains don't always go together.

There was an infamous video from COTA of a GT2 driver that underlined this point.
All traces of it have disappeared from the internets. Jalopnik called it perhaps the worst lap ever.

As for PCA vs. SCCA and the like, PCA events are much more civil here too, even at autocross. You can tell even before they even get in the cars. The PCA folks come wearing "driving shoes" and Porsche Design shirts, meanwhile the guys in the other clubs come wearing old jeans with oil stains, a Tom Petty tour shirt from 84 and two day's worth of stubble. One are there for a lovely time, the others are there to crush some pent up workplace aggression.

[Laflamme02]

Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

Lafamme02: PCA track weekends here are $300 for the event registration. Add to that a half a set of brake pads for newbies and 1/4 set of tire tread shot if you're a hot dog around the corners. You'll also get a whopping 7 mpg so toss in a tank of fuel every day of driving. Add two night's motels in there. And then there's the needed oil change after the event because you've heated it up real good and often.

So when I sign up for a PCA high speed DE weekend (Sat and Sunday driving, 4 - 30 minute sessions per day) I save up a grand. You may not spend this much on your first one, but it includes the wear and tear on the brake pads/discs and tires and the oil change afterwards.

That's what I was afraid of...I was hoping to get lucky and be able to do a track day for a couple hundred, everything included. Obviously, that was naive.

I wonder if it would be worth it for local law enforcement to subsidize track days. Maybe if you provide an outlet for driving fast on a track drivers will be less apt to "track" open roads. That will never happen but I'm reminded of a police barracks in Las Vegas I think, that routinely drag races a car built by the cops (not with

[Laflamme02]

Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

Lafamme02: PCA track weekends here are $300 for the event registration. Add to that a half a set of brake pads for newbies and 1/4 set of tire tread shot if you're a hot dog around the corners. You'll also get a whopping 7 mpg so toss in a tank of fuel every day of driving. Add two night's motels in there. And then there's the needed oil change after the event because you've heated it up real good and often.

So when I sign up for a PCA high speed DE weekend (Sat and Sunday driving, 4 - 30 minute sessions per day) I save up a grand. You may not spend this much on your first one, but it includes the wear and tear on the brake pads/discs and tires and the oil change afterwards.

That's what I was afraid of...I was hoping to get lucky and be able to do a track day for a couple hundred, everything included. Obviously, that was naive.

I wonder if it would be worth it for local law enforcement to subsidize track days. Maybe if you provide an outlet for driving fast on a track drivers will be less apt to "track" open roads. That will never happen but I'm reminded of a police barracks in Las Vegas I think, that routinely drag races a car built by the cops (built with personal, not tax, dollars) to give the kids in the area an outlet for safe competition.

[Ottacat]

I too was at my first DE event this past Monday and Tuesday. It was put on by my local chapter of the PCA which is Rennsport. The session was held up at Le Circuit Mont Tremblant (LCMT).

Before the DE weekend, the club held a half-day theory class in April (one in Montreal, one in Ottawa) and then earlier in May held a one-day ground school at a small track just north of Montreal. These proved to be great stepping stones and prepared us well for our first time at the big, technical and fast track that is LCMT.

Costs were along the line of other threads - $350 for the two days which included lunch both days and 4, 20-minute runs per day, each with an instructor. We were assigned the same instructor for both days. Mont Tremblant is far enough away from Ottawa and Montreal that everyone rents at least two nights of hotels. Fortunately the club has negotiated a 25% discount with one of the hotel companies that has five nice hotels. I figure that with the entry fee, the hotel, meals and gas that the two days cost about $1k.

However we really must appreciate that PCA DE days are considerably cheaper than most other alternatives because the instructors are volunteers. Another track local to Ottawa, Calabogie, puts on a two-day lapping event with one day with an instructor and one day solo and it costs $800. If you need an instructor the second day, it costs another $300.

The car porn at this event was amazing. You would think 911 GT3 RS's were common (there were at least 10) and there was even a Cub car. Tons of people brought their cars up on trailers with the just the trailers costing more than my humble little 986. However the camaraderie was awesome with both members and instructors being extremely friendly and helpful. There were plenty of other Boxsters - another 986, several 987's and several 981's. The 981's were having no problem holding their own in the black run group. Many of the senior members and instructors had owned Boxsters in the past and they were well respected cars.

A tech inspection form was mandatory and had to be completed by a club sanctioned mechanic. Before I had my inspection I had my car fully serviced including new brakes. The guy who did my tech inspection did it thoroughly but I passed without needing any additional work.

I had an absolute blast of a time. To drive a true sports car on a track is truly a bucket list item. The event was very mentally exhausting with so much information to process while on track. It took me longer than I expected to just truly memorize the track and lines. Thankfully my instructor was patient and managed the passing. On the second day my previous instructor from the ground school day took me out as a passenger in the blue run group. That was a huge help as by then it allowed me to just watch his lines as by then I was getting fairly familiar with the track.

I'll be doing at least one other event this summer and hopefully two. As others have said, at the beginner level you are fine in a 986 with street tires. I too only wore them down slightly and wore my break pads down only about 25%. However this is an activity that can get real expensive if you really get into it.