First ticket

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

You're right.

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

[TeamOxford]

Originally Posted by CoBeerToad

For the people concerned with me doing 50 for half a block in a residential area, it wasn't a residential area.

I was wondering if this was the case and if it was, when it was going to come out.

Everyone assumed the worst, and no one even asked for clarification before blasting the OP.

Just sayin'..........

TO

[Giller]

Originally Posted by TeamOxford

I was wondering if this was the case and if it was, when it was going to come out.

Everyone assumed the worst, and no one even asked for clarification before blasting the OP.

Just sayin'..........

TO

The OP set it up by stating he was pulled over in front of his house and it was a 30 zone. Unfortunately, those two combined tend to imply 'residential zone'. Besides....it's still 20 MPH over the limit, which is pretty fast in a non-residential residential zone.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

And also - from what I understand the 'study' was simply asking people if they ever got a ticket and what they were driving (vehilce) at the time. This 'study' doesn't come from any law enforcement data - simply anecdotes told by people.
So many variables involved in this that I'm not sure how much stock should be put in it.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by CoBeerToad

Now carry on. I want to hear more about this Intrepid, towing the mattresses.

http://youtu.be/8Q7FFjUpVLg

[cfos]

Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time (see how I avoided the question about producing references there? NICE) [sic].



... this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped....

*Awaiting your references....*

[Giller]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

A study is defined as "a detailed investigation and analysis of a subject or situation". There is no analysis in this. It is not a 'study' - it is an observation. There is no scientific backing of this other than picking up the phone and calling people. It is also not a detailed investigation. All it is is some general observations based on some sketchy data. As for an actual 'study' with analysis:
Full List: Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket - Forbes
They actually use traffic DATA from insurance companies. Is it a perfect study - no. Certainly more accurate than previous one. Did you author that study? It sure seems to have gotten your knickers in a knot all these people disagreeing with it.
Sorry if we hurt your genius feelings.

[Perfectlap]

Giller you are correct. It's a survey, and Cfos was trying to use it to further some point about Porsche drivers and their interactions with law enforcement. I think a study of supermarket data regarding favorite ice cream flavor would have carried more weight. Then he challenged us to produce something to contradict this survey as if his quoted survey was something beyond anecdote (rife with problems). His challenge is asking us to say "I see you one opinion survey and raise you a bigger opinion survey".

Then he posts a picture of a drag queen which is a total non sequitur.

[gmboxster]

As a causal observer, cfos, sure seems like one bitter individual. For some reason.

On a different note, if I'm speeding and get a ticket I wouldn't say a word because I would know I deserved it.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by gmboxster

As a causal observer, cfos, sure seems like one bitter individual. For some reason.

On a different note, if I'm speeding and get a ticket I wouldn't say a word because I would know I deserved it.

Oh, thank you for your opinion. However, I don't really find myself to be bitter - but carry on with whatever you believe. Much like Jake and spellin' & grammah, you will never get through to me.

But I digress, what I was merely asking for was PL or Giller to back up their assumptions with... something other than attitude.

I admitted that what I cited may not be accurate. Which is fine. Giller's post is from 2010. Maybe there really isn't anything out there on the topic.

But, in explanation of my actions, I thought I might make an example of how I perceived their behavior. Having been to parts of Canada, I fell in love with the Couche Owl, and having been to NJ, I'm aware of the prevalence of orange people. Does that mean that these are the dominate gas stations and people of both areas? I dunno. Could be, but that's just my opinion, backed by Google:



After asking again and again, Giller provided a valid critique and did post something, yet I still don't see any Porsches on this "better" study. So, again, I do not believe this Porsche profiling to exist as much as others would lead us to believe. I also like to think that people should drive responsibly - and that's the real tragedy. Compare the posts that raise alarm over 20 mph over a limit in a residential zone to, " damn Porsche get so many tickets and I feel your pain and don't cops know we are great drivers with well-built cars who know what we are doing." Ok, maybe that is a slight exaggeration.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Oh, thank you for your opinion. However, I don't really find myself to be bitter - but carry on with whatever you believe. Much like Jake and spellin' & grammah, you will never get through to me.

But I digress, what I was merely asking for was PL or Giller to back up their assumptions with... something other than attitude.

I admitted that what I cited may not be accurate. Which is fine. Giller's post is from 2010. Maybe there really isn't anything out there on the topic.

But, in explanation of my actions, I thought I might make an example of how I perceived their behavior. Having been to parts of Canada, I fell in love with the Couche Owl, and having been to NJ, I'm aware of the prevalence of orange people. Does that mean that these are the dominate gas stations and people of both areas? I dunno. Could be, but that's just my opinion, backed by Google:



After asking again and again, Giller provided a valid critique and did post something, yet I still don't see any Porsches on this "better" study. So, again, I do not believe this Porsche profiling to exist as much as others would lead us to believe. I also like to think that people should drive responsibly - and that's the real tragedy. Compare the posts that raise alarm over 20 mph over a limit in a residential zone to, " damn Porsche get so many tickets and I feel your pain and don't cops know we are great drivers with well-built cars who know what we are doing." Ok, maybe that is a slight exaggeration.

Grammar is not the only reflector of maturity.

2¢

[Joe B]

Originally Posted by Giller

As for an actual 'study' with analysis:
Full List: Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket - Forbes

I got bored after looking at the first 3. Talk about not-user friendly! You had to download a new page for each car ranked. They could have included a summary chart, but of course then you wouldn't need to look at a zillion Forbes pages .

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

But I digress, what I was merely asking for was PL or Giller to back up their assumptions with... something other than attitude.

Nice try. I made no assumptions, thus there was no need to "back them up".
I related my experiences with the police in car A vs. car B. Another forum member added that he experienced similar in his region of the country.
He also did not have to "back up" his experience. Your experience is your experience.

Then you came along and inferred that I was making an argument about the broader pool of Porsche drivers by posting a link to a survey that casts a wider net than my own region (or Husker's). Unsurprisingly, more than one person decided to point out to you that your Google search result link was not at all a study or driven by official data. Did all the survey respondents "back up" their experience? Otherwise you wouldn't have posted it, right? You see what you did there?

So not only did you invent an argument, that no one was making, you decided to argue against it with not very good "back up".
However you did establish that you like posting pictures when attempting to make your points.
But in your defense, at least it makes your invented arguments more amusing.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Joe B

I got bored after looking at the first 3. Talk about not-user friendly! You had to download a new page for each car ranked. They could have included a summary chart, but of course then you wouldn't need to look at a zillion Forbes pages .

Yeah, there really is scant information on the net about this. Obviously not a hot topic out there. Also, would imagine the information is so spread out, it would take quite a bit of time to complile all the data?

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Joe B

I got bored after looking at the first 3. Talk about not-user friendly! You had to download a new page for each car ranked. They could have included a summary chart, but of course then you wouldn't need to look at a zillion Forbes pages .

Originally Posted by Giller

Yeah, there really is scant information on the net about this. Obviously not a hot topic out there. Also, would imagine the information is so spread out, it would take quite a bit of time to complile all the data?

See below if you don not want the Forbes click bait version.
There's also a second list as well: Least likely to be tickted according to their analysis.

Auto Insurance Analysis Does What We Drive Affect How We Drive

Interesting to note, four of the top 10 cars in their 2009-2010 analysis were German. While on the 10 least likely to be ticketed there weren't any German cars.
Meanwhile 2 American cars were on the most likely list, 7 American cars on the least likely list.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

See below if you don not want the Forbes click bait version.
There's also a second list as well: Least likely to be tickted according to their analysis.

Auto Insurance Analysis Does What We Drive Affect How We Drive

Interesting to note, four of the top 10 cars in their 2009-2010 analysis were German. While on the 10 least likely to be ticketed there weren't any German cars.
Meanwhile 2 American cars were on the most likely list, 7 American cars on the least likely list.

First list is mostly all coupes and sedans whereas the second list is mostly all SUV and minivan. Interesting, although not surprising when one thinks about it.

What I glean from this whole topic - Speeders tend to drive fast, sporty cars....but just because you drive a fast, sporty car, that does not make you a speeder.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Nice try. I made no assumptions, thus there was no need to "back them up".
I related my experiences with the police in car A vs. car B. Another forum member added that he experienced similar in his region of the country.
He also did not have to "back up" his experience. Your experience is your experience.

Then you came along and inferred that I was making an argument about the broader pool of Porsche drivers by posting a link to a survey that casts a wider net than my own region (or Husker's). Unsurprisingly, more than one person decided to point out to you that your Google search result link was not at all a study or driven by official data. Did all the survey respondents "back up" their experience? Otherwise you wouldn't have posted it, right? You see what you did there?

So not only did you invent an argument, that no one was making, you decided to argue against it with not very good "back up".
However you did establish that you like posting pictures when attempting to make your points.
But in your defense, at least it makes your invented arguments more amusing.

No assumptions...? Huh. You mean this wasn't you?

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

Ok. I didn't know that you refer to yourself as being "people". And Police is singular. And you authored the policies on how police ticket people or let them go.

But you are right, right? I do like to invent arguments and I do find them (and myself) amusing. I mean, what else is the internet for? Seriously -- look at how many hits this thread gets. Pure entertainment.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Grammar is not the only reflector of maturity.

2¢

Jake, I am pleased to say that I agree with this post, and with your opinion. Although, your "I'm-a-hipster-who-drives-a-Porsche-so-buy-me-a-Volvo" thread, and effort, is still fresh in my head, so, before I take your $0.02, I probably should scan the internet to see who is sponsoring said $0.02, and convince said person that the money should go to Cyprus. Would hate to accept it, only to have to give it back to someone else with a more worthy cause.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Jake, I am pleased to say that I agree with this post, and with your opinion. Although, your "I'm-a-hipster-who-drives-a-Porsche-so-buy-me-a-Volvo" thread, and effort, is still fresh in my head, so, before I take your $0.02, I probably should scan the internet to see who is sponsoring said $0.02, and convince said person that the money should go to Cyprus. Would hate to accept it, only to have to give it back to someone else with a more worthy cause.

Hey, I'm still kind of craving one of those Volvos! I have shifted interest to an Alfa Romeo and a gal I know now though; both of these are very expensive, so I have actually been putting in a few applications.

Nice post though, made me laugh.