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ArmenT 08-25-2014 04:35 PM

Need help with soft top
 
Hi everyone,

Need help with soft top folding.Last weekend pick it up used soft top (glass) with a frame for my 2001 986S.Swapped it on saturday and now having problem with camshell. When top is on everything is good, but when I fold it, on passenger side camshell dose not close all the way.About less than 1/2" gap, when I apply a little force to it (right where locating pin is) it finds the place and sits flash. I tried to adjust push rods and loosen 3 main screws on a frame and adjust frame but no luck,the tension cables are good.Is there any special adjustment that I miss or better I leave it for a while to brake in then try adjust again? I think on a passenger side top dose not fold enough to let camshell sit in place.
Ill post a video later.

Thanks advance.

opus69 08-25-2014 05:46 PM

Sometimes if there is an asymmetry in the sides you may have to adjust the transmissions individually. With the clamshell up you can disconnect the drive cables and adjust them individually with a drill. If is a sticking problem another thing to check are the ball connectors on the batwings. I had one so corroded it caused a drive cable to break. Clamshell spring could also be weak on one side.

KevinH1990 08-25-2014 05:49 PM

I had the same problem when I swapped an 04 top and frame into my 2000. I'm assuming you are aware of the instructions on Mike Focke's web site: https://sites.google.com/site/mikefocke2/installinga%2703-%2704glasstopandframeona%2797

I was able to reduce the gap on mine by adjusting the top tension cables. (These are the cables with the ball and socket arrangement that you must pop out to put the top in service position.) There is an adjuster above it (a brass-colored nut that is about 9mm). Turning the nut clockwise (if I recall correctly you may need to experiment) reduces the tension on the back edge of the top and allows it to fold easier.

You need to be careful that you are not increasing the gap between the top and the clamshell when the top is in the closed position. This could lead to a leak.

I was never totally able to remove the gap without a little push on the clamshell. However, it seems to have become smaller on its own after repeated openings and closings.

Good luck and enjoy your glass window.

ArmenT 08-25-2014 06:59 PM

guys, thanks for input.Earlier today I tried to discount the ball connectors and see if top manually folds enough but still the same thing, looks to me that glass top is a little thicker than plastic.I may try individual cable adjustment, but if top without push rods cannot go more I don't think cable adjustment will help.
Kevin, I notice that one of tension cable almost to brake point and ordered pair from pelican parts, should get it tomorrow but I think that will effect when top is close, in my situation when top in on all lines up well.I guess at this point I will leave it for a while and try to leave top folded as much as I can, it my need some time to stretch out fabric and line up.
Thanks.
Here is some pictures.

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Devact 08-26-2014 06:42 AM

I've got a similar issue with mine after it was replaced a few months ago. When lowering the top, the driver's side of the clamshell doesn't close all the way. However, if I just leave it alone for about 10 minutes, it eventually settles in place. Not sure why that is, and I've never been able to find an adjustment that does any good. Thoughts?

JayG 08-26-2014 07:58 AM

Love the red highlights. That looks wicked!

ArmenT 08-26-2014 08:14 AM

Jay, the only down side of red light that I have got useless revers lights :)
Devact, I have seen someone in forum mentioned that it may be a motor to lever drive cables .I think it possible, if cables are old and partially damaged it cannot transfer all the torque form motor to lever,causing this issue.
I will research a little more before changing the cables.
Thanks.

san rensho 08-26-2014 11:55 AM

I don't know if this helps but I recently had to replace the transmission on my top. Before I bolted the transmissions back in, I made sure to match up very precisely, the timing marks on the transmission. After I installed them, the opening and closing was spot on.

ArmenT 08-26-2014 02:33 PM

San_rensho, as I mentioned before it looks to me there is no enough torque for camshell to push top and rest in correct position.It looks to me the the old top been repaired before (it was missing 3 philips screws on each side frame) so its quite possible that I may have misaligned cables.I will double check on this weekend.Is there any specific way to adjust frame before tightening 3 bolts on each side? I was thinking as long as latch lever dose not hit plastic wind deflector, alignment is good.
By the way anyone knows how motor detecting stop position? current measuring or sensor?
Thanks.

KevinH1990 08-26-2014 05:15 PM

Here's a picture of my clamshell showing the gap with the top open:


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1409101801.jpg

Here's a picture with the top closed:

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1409101842.jpg

The gap is noticeably larger with the top open. It is smaller than when I first installed the top, but it is still not optimal. I am beginning to wonder if my top transmission cables need adjustment or replacement. There is no gap on the passenger side with either the top open or closed.

I have other things to take care of on the car, and this has taken a bit of a "back burner."

Shehadehd 08-26-2014 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinH1990 (Post 416123)
Here's a picture of my clamshell showing the gap with the top open:





http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1409101801.jpg



Here's a picture with the top closed:



http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1409101842.jpg



The gap is noticeably larger with the top open. It is smaller than when I first installed the top, but it is still not optimal. I am beginning to wonder if my top transmission cables need adjustment or replacement. There is no gap on the passenger side with either the top open or closed.



I have other things to take care of on the car, and this has taken a bit of a "back burner."


If you open the top without the rear shelf and carpet does the clamshell gap go away?

ArmenT 08-27-2014 08:06 AM

just an quick update, yesterday I washed the car and the top was too dirty I washed it as well .After let it sit under sun for fully dry I notice now I got the same camshell problem on both sides,I am thinking that its related to canvas stretch.Will investigate more on this weekend.
Thanks.

KevinH1990 08-27-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shehadehd (Post 416156)
If you open the top without the rear shelf and carpet does the clamshell gap go away?

I took out the rear storage compartment and it didn't make any difference.

I did not take out the carpet.

opus69 08-28-2014 03:28 AM

I think the shut off switch is in the transmission. If shutting off before fully closing there could be too much slack in the cabes. If I remember there is some degree of adjustment on cable ends. Thereare also two spring devices on either side of clam shell. If these are weak there may not be enough tension to fully close clamshell. Easiest and cheapest is to shorten cable ends first.

ArmenT 09-02-2014 08:28 AM

after got new tension cables from Pelican parts, last weekend I changed both cable, deriver side was almost busted passenger side could live, but swapped both.After realigning all carpets and top compartment, now the top sits perfect.Its amazing how can only fraction of an inch make so much difference.
Thanks to all.


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