Need opinions on a summer project.

[dbansal]

I say go for it... if people are dumb enough to donate to this... they deserve to lose that dollar that they donate.

[Timco]

Titanic comes to mind.

How did that Thoreau paper turn out?

[particlewave]

3 pages in 9 hours?!?

That's the most activity I've seen on this forum in a week!
Good work, Jake

Crowdfunding is voluntary, so people will donate if they want. What's he hurting? Seems there are some bitter geezers around
(I say as I shake my cane at you)

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by particlewave

3 pages in 9 hours?!?

That's the most activity I've seen on this forum in a week!
Good work, Jake

Crowdfunding is voluntary, so people will donate if they want. What's he hurting? Seems there are some bitter geezers around
(I say as I shake my cane at you)

C'mon particlewave, that's a bit too generous. There's nothing avant garde about sophisticated begging. It's been around for ages. Eventually these people go on to become politicians, well except that they occasionally show up to an actual job site.

[BIGJake111]

When I saw this guys campaign and that he has actually gotten a few hundred dollars...... I realized I could probably pull this off.

Pay my Beer and Video Games by Jonathan Paquet - GoFundMe

[JayG]

Jake, let me start off that I like you and think you are a pretty smart kid, in some ways wise beyond your years, in other ways extremely cocky. Being 16, that is not surprising being a bit cocky. That being said, this "idea" of yours is basically panhandling/begging.

You have a good head on your shoulders, use it for something productive that you can be proud of.

You are very very lucky to have a Porsche at your age. My first car was a 1966 Dodge Dart, smallest straight 6 they made, no power steering/brakes/windows and no AC. The only option it had was a AM radio. It was a hand-me-down from my Dad when he bought a new car for commuting to work. To me at 16, I loved it and I was lucky to have a car of my own as most of my friends did not have a car. I started working at 14 and saved enough to buy a new Toyota Corolla my 2nd year in college.

My older boy who is not 20 saved up $1200 umpiring Little League games and when he got his license he bought a 93 BMW 318i. He worked hard and saved his money so he could have a car when he got his license. He did not ask others to give him what is basically a luxury for as kid, a car of his own

Your Boxster was totaled due to no fault of your own and you have now been made whole with the insurance settlement. Buy yourself another Boxster and be happy with it. Yes, it is a good idea to get a beater to drive to school. I am sure you can find something for less than the Volvo that runs and is safe. You said you will have extra $$ from the insurance you want to put aside for maintenance. use some of it for a beater and be happy.

Maybe you should have done the salvage things on your old car and what you would have profited would have paid for the beater, who knows.

What you posted does come off as a spoiled kid with a Porsche looking for a handout. I am sure there are many people who would just love to own a Porsche.

Get a job, that is what most of us do when we need money, and use that $$ for what ever you want. Better yet, save a bunch of it and you will be better off in the long run

anyone that just gives you money because of some halfassed website is a fool and brings you down to that level

[Dgnarvs]

Jake, I hear you. I know you think you're idea is great. I know some great things came out of "out of the box" thinking. If you truly believe in your idea, I say go for it!

But for Pete's sake, listen to some good advice coming from smart and experienced people here. The advice about a compelling story? Absolutely true. Many good ideas died because of poor selling. And you are selling (or 'marketing' as you would like to put it) because you want people to buy into your Volvo experiment and give money.

So, if you still want to go for this experiment, then go. Just try to do it as well as you can. Execution is critical. Who knows, if this becomes successful, this could be your ticket to a high paying marketing job?

[JayG]

Jake

You are pretty well liked on theis forum and IMHO most respect you, especially considering your very young age. We like ya kid, but you are rapidly losing points all around. Look back on the response from when your car got trashed. Very different from this subject

Timco is spot on with his comments, others as well

[TeamOxford]

The ad is gone.

Maybe Duddy Kravitz is learning. Still think his rep, if there's any left, may never recover.

TO

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by TeamOxford

The ad is gone.

Maybe Duddy Kravitz is learning. Still think his rep, if there's any left, may never recover.

TO

We all make mistakes, and the original interest was to have a right brain story behind my Volvo. As said before, I could have just had my parents buy it. I don't really want one after researching the car more, but if I did I would be getting it someway under my doing. Overall I just did not want to bring up a post next year with an even better Boxster keyed or smashed by vandalistic rednecks. However all said is welcome, and I was planed to get a job this summer, but currently I do not have transportation to get to a job.

[papasmurf]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

As said before, I could have just had my parents buy it. I don't really want one after researching the car more, but if I did I would be getting it someway under my doing. Overall I just did not want to bring up a post next year with an even better Boxster keyed or smashed by vandalistic rednecks.

I think here in might lie part of why I would be worried if I was you to drive the car to school....it would be one thing to drive it to school and never gloat over the fact that it was a porsche, that your parents would buy whatever you wanted, etc. but if that is the perception your peers have of you (dont' know...just saying) then there might be some concern about the safety of your vehicle in the parking lot if you are throwing it in people's face to some extent. I am not saying that their reactions would be correct or justified but you have to see where they are coming from...no one like someone acting like a spoiled brat.

Whenever people ask me what I drive, I tell them a small convertible and try to leave it at that unless they pry more and/or are real car enthusiasts. Humility can take you a long way in life if you let it.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by papasmurf

I think here in might lie part of why I would be worried if I was you to drive the car to school....it would be one thing to drive it to school and never gloat over the fact that it was a porsche, that your parents would buy whatever you wanted, etc. but if that is the perception your peers have of you (dont' know...just saying) then there might be some concern about the safety of your vehicle in the parking lot if you are throwing it in people's face to some extent. I am not saying that their reactions would be correct or justified but you have to see where they are coming from...no one like someone acting like a spoiled brat.

Whenever people ask me what I drive, I tell them a small convertible and try to leave it at that unless they pry more and/or are real car enthusiasts. Humility can take you a long way in life if you let it.

My car is nothing more than a glorified miata, if I wanted to impress or rub something in the face of my peers I would get a f250

[Perfectlap]

we were all kids once too. So don't be too hard on Big Jake.

But this a generational thing for sure. I've been having some issues with some millenialls who report to me. I was taken by surprise at how drastically their attitudes on well just about anything involving work and money have changed vs. guys who are about 8-12 years older. I seem to view it this way now: My father is pre war (WWII). My mother is a boomer. The less you had growing up of as far as the basics, the harder it is for you to take what you did not earn and easier you are to please. A small house will do. One TV in the house is not just good enough but a real privilege. A car in the driveway is amazing, no matter the year or model. One vacation every 5 years is something to look forward to. Spending money really is a last resort thing. Having access to any kind of food in the supermarket is winning the birth lottery (unlike a billion living in India).

Then you have the boomers. They grew up with prosperity and an expectation that their lives would get better. All they had to do is work. <--major game change in America. They wanted a somewhat bigger house (still modest), a color TV, a newer car (but still one car). Summer vacations were expected. Interest rates were high so consumption was still capped.

After that it all goes down hill. The better the economy you grew up in, the more you had in the house. Multiple cars, houses with larger foot prints, multiple bathrooms, flat screen TV in multiple rooms, a vacation home or regular out of state trips, toys (atvs, boats, etc.) and waist lines bulged to the point where not just one person in the home is 20 lbs or more overweight but many family are this way. Those millenials who grew up during the economic boom of back to back bull markets (80's and 90's) were all of the above but on steroids. And now we have the the kids that grew up in the 2000's. Their parents (Gen X'ers) gorged on low interest cheap credit and filled the house with all manner of things their incomes could not sustain in the long term. Pizza for Junior's dinner again? "Oh what the hell I'm tired." So now their kids are consumption focused. Very little as far as saving/investing, belt-tightening was imparted on them.
We've gone full circle from the pre-war kids to the Barney generation.

[papasmurf]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

we were all kids once too. So don't be too hard on Big Jake.

But this a generational thing for sure. I've been having some issues with some millenialls who report to me. I was taken by surprise at how drastically their attitudes on well just about anything involving work and money have changed vs. guys who are about 8-12 years older. I seem to view it this way now: My father is pre war (WWII). My mother is a boomer. The less you had growing up of as far as the basics, the harder it is for you to take what you did not earn and easier you are to please. A small house will do. One TV in the house is not just good enough but a real privilege. A car in the driveway is amazing, no matter the year or model. One vacation every 5 years is something to look forward to. Spending money really is a last resort thing. Having access to any kind of food in the supermarket is winning the birth lottery (unlike a billion living in India).

Then you have the boomers. They grew up with prosperity and an expectation that their lives would get better. All they had to do is work. <--major game change in America. They wanted a somewhat bigger house (still modest), a color TV, a newer car (but still one car). Summer vacations were expected. Interest rates were high so consumption was still capped.

After that it all goes down hill. The better the economy you grew up in, the more you had in the house. Multiple cars, houses with larger foot prints, multiple bathrooms, flat screen TV in multiple rooms, a vacation home or regular out of state trips, toys (atvs, boats, etc.) and waist lines bulged to the point where not just one person in the home is 20 lbs or more overweight but many family are this way. Those millenials who grew up during the economic boom of back to back bull markets (80's and 90's) were all of the above but on steroids. And now we have the the kids that grew up in the 2000's. Their parents (Gen X'ers) gorged on low interest cheap credit and filled the house with all manner of things their incomes could not sustain in the long term. Pizza for Junior's dinner again? "Oh what the hell I'm tired." So now their kids are consumption focused. Very little as far as saving/investing, belt-tightening was imparted on them.
We've gone full circle from the pre-war kids to the Barney generation.

It was never fun when I was a teen and all the other kids hung out at the pool all summer and I had to mow lawns all summer but the reality of the real world at a young age made entering the work force full time years later so much easier. It is sad how many young people have never had any kind of job until after they graduate college (taking 8 years to get a 4 year degree on daddy's credit cards). Most of the people I work with, live from paycheck to paycheck partly because they have poor jobs and partly because they lack financial common sense. Every time tax season rolls around you can guarantee that they will blow their income tax return in a weekend or two.

[The Radium King]

p-lap - how do you support an economy where everyone wants stuff but doesn't want to work for it? protectionism (keep your hands off my stuff)? expansion (or imperialism - go and take someone else's stuff)? either approach ends in conflict. so don't fret, it'll come full circle. and all you'll have to do is change the 'wwii' in your post to 'wwiii'.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by The Radium King

p-lap - how do you support an economy where everyone wants stuff but doesn't want to work for it? protectionism (keep your hands off my stuff)? expansion (or imperialism - go and take someone else's stuff)? either approach ends in conflict. so don't fret, it'll come full circle. and all you'll have to do is change the 'wwii' in your post to 'wwiii'.

Well I didn't say that. And I certainly didn't intend for it to be blanket statement.
The U.S. still has one of the highest worker participation rates in the world. Amongst G20 states, we're at 8 hours per day (or 1700 hours per year) -- still in the top 10 for most hours worked in a day (Mexico is #1 with a 10 hour day).

My point was more about expectations. People are still working hard, they just expect to be given more for it.

[BIGJake111]

I highly see what is wrong with the project, but under no circumstance would I not mention the Porsche, that would make it alot more appealing to donate and alot less bratty but that is dishonest, I'd rather sound spoiled than have money donate then find out after the fact that they donated to a kid with a Porsche as well.

[thstone]

Jake, I tried to take the high road and offer you a legititmate and valuable learning experience where you would be compensated for your efforts and at the end of the day you'd have something that might help you land other opportunities in the future.

When I was 16 (or 18 or 21 or 25 or 35 or 45 years old), I would have given almost anything for a similar opportunity to gain experience and knowledge. Most of the rest of us had to learn things the hard (and often expensive) way.

Your response to my legitimate offer tells me all that I need to know: I find you to be trolling the forum looking to get over-reactions to a silly proposition and then egging the discussion on for no good reason.

I have no time for playing around with your kind of person online so I am done with this thread.

See ya'll elsewhere on the Forum.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by thstone

Jake, I tried to take the high road and offer you a legititmate and valuable learning experience where you would be compensated for your efforts and at the end of the day you'd have something that might help you land other opportunities in the future.

When I was 16 (or 18 or 21 or 25 or 35 or 45 years old), I would have given almost anything for a similar opportunity to gain experience and knowledge. Most of the rest of us had to learn things the hard (and often expensive) way.

Your response to my legitimate offer tells me all that I need to know: I find you to be trolling the forum looking to get over-reactions to a silly proposition and then egging the discussion on for no good reason.

I have no time for playing around with your kind of person online so I am done with this thread.

See ya'll elsewhere on the Forum.

Fair enough, but would you take the offer if you just had a ton of people say you can not even make a gofundme campaign. Which is fine, as I said, a very appealing offer for in a year or two when I can do it right.

[RawleyD]

Originally Posted by thstone

I find you to be trolling the forum looking to get over-reactions to a silly proposition and then egging the discussion on for no good reason.

Haha! I thought the same thing when this whole discussion initially started. I figured "No one can actually be this obtuse, no way is he actually considering something this indignant".

BJ, you've just been a troll from the start haven't you?

:troll: