PORSCHE 718 - New entry-level Roadster in 2016

[TeamOxford]

How about some facts instead of the rumor, conjecture, opinion, and wishful thinking?

“Porsche CEO Matthias Muller recently confirmed that the Boxster and Cayman will get a four-cylinder engine derived from the current flat six in the near future…..the smaller engine reduces weight and improves handling – though the primary drivers include improved efficiency and reduced CO2 emissions. Muller noted the new four-cylinder engines could make up to 395 hp.”

source: Porsche Panorama 687 - June 2014

"We've decided not a build a roadster below the Boxster, [and] we will not offer an SUV below the Macan because it will not be a perfect fit... We found that we would be irritating our current customers." - Bernhard Maier - Porsche AG Board Member for Global Sales and Marketing

source: Porsche Panorama 684 - March 2014

“Porsche’s management team is actively considering a seventh model line, and the decision could made “by the middle of the year” said CEO Matthias Muller in Leipzig at the opening of the Macan production line in February.” “A new sports car in the $250,000 range to rival Ferrari’s 458 is under consideration…….Muller said that a seventh model line would give Porsche a more balanced range." “Most cars have a seven-year life cycle,” said Muller. “If we had seven models , we could have a major event each year, as well as the variants.” A family sedan to rival the BMW 5 Series is also on the table, "
source: Porsche Panorama 685 - April 2014

“One source within Porsche tells us that it is a matter of efficiency (making certain models PDK only), and that decision-makers within the company no longer want to leave even two miles per gallon on the table in a given model. This fits with Porsche AG’s recent statement that it will not exclude itself from the responsibility to lower emissions and improve fuel efficiency – “ – Pete Stout – Editor – Porsche Panorama

source: Porsche Panorama 687 - June 2014

Let's face it, Porsches are becoming overweight, bloated hogs. Great technological hogs, but hogs nonetheless. The new Targa weighs almost 3600 lbs! Put a good ole boy and his wife in one, and you've got yourself two tons of rolling inertia!

Looks like the future is lighter cars with turbo four bangers and auto transmissions. Hey, maybe that'll make our old flat sixes worth something!

And as for the VW/Porsche debate; I've been hearing that crap ever since I bought my first Porsche 40 years ago. It's a 356.......no, no it's not....it's a Volkswagen. That brand spankin' new 924 you bought at launch? That ain't no Porsche. That's a Volkswagen with an Audi engine. My 914. Are you kidding? It's a 4, not a 6. It's a Volkswagen! And then at the banquet at Boxstoberfest last year, some rich prick with a GT3 nonchalantly declared to everyone at our table, that as far as he was concerned, all our Boxsters were just Volkswagens.

Just ranting..............

TO

[The Radium King]

could there be a niche for such a car - brz/370 beater? allow the boxster to continue to move upscale - standard bloat you tend to see in car lines (ie - 240-260-280-280zx-300); perhaps the boxster no longer appeals to the same demographic it did when it first came out? perhaps they're picking up on the fact that more boxsters are making it to the track than 911's, so trying to attract that market more directly? perhaps it will come with a racing program like the boss 302 or Miata? maybe it's such an easy car to build that they'd be crazy not to make it (ie, a component car similar to the cayenne or macan)?

[BIGJake111]

As the 981 is sort of what the 911 used to be,this new car, which hope is not called the 718, if anything the boxster shouldve originally been called this but at this point the vehicle needs another name. But point is, this car is what the old 2.5 and other early boxsters were, just a modern take on this, now the 981 and cayman are what 911 used to be and the 991 is a GT.

[BIGJake111]

However, i doubt this car is a thing, as we know, the next boxster is supposed to have a 4 cylinder and even higher power outputs then this 718. I agree that a baby panamera is likely, i could also see a mclaren 650S, mercedes sls replacment, ferrari destroyer.

[N0tt0N]

I heard Lindsay Lohan has been named CEO of Porsche!

I also heard some Panamara owners have begun to downsize to Hummers.

[Ranfurly66]

Just had a look at worldcarfans no mention of a 718 model but several articles about the 4 cylinder turbo engine. With the ownership of Porsche now within PAG they'll be looking to maximise the brand value and develop more niche models, like what they've done with Audi. Platform sharing is very profitable.

[BIGJake111]

i really do not want any porsches that are not suvs to share platform with VWs I am okay with some VW group diseal engines and stuff in the panamera and all, but lets keep anything considered a true 2 seat sports car very much so ALL Porsche. Vw had a mid engine roadster concept a bit back which could very well go into production, if it does it would be stupid for them not to (even though we do not want them to) share the platform.

[cfos]

Unless those posting are shareholders and are predicting a market crash... can someone explain the butt-hurt over this?



I've never understood why people who have generally bought used cars (or bought, sold, and re-bought slightly newer, used cars) -- be it Porsche or other make -- care about what a company does? I mean you don't have to buy whatever it is they produce, right? From what I've observed, people here don't generally order the car... rather engage in exhaustive searches and are kept up at night by depreciation and potential IMS failures... So... what is it?



I admit, I haven't gone to see my physician, but if this car is built, does my penis shrink? Will I go bald? Will my house be devalued? Will George RR Martin be thrown into such a panic we won't know what happens at the Wall after A Dance With Dragons? Will the 718 further throw True Blood into a laughable, unwatchable sitcom? Does the creation of 718 somehow shed light into how "Friends" essentially forgot that Ross already had a kid (Ben, IIRC) and didn't seem to address that cliffhanger at it's series conclusion? Will David Ortiz now take selfies with the 718 because Samsung asks him to? Is this the real reason Letterman is stepping down? Is this the same reason why Frank Sinatra never wrote his own music? Was he too concerned over the whole Edsel fiasco? Did President Bush come across a picture of the Pontiac Aztek and forget about checking evidence for WOMD? Was the making of the Buick Wildcat the reason the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred? Why oh why, should I care?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Unless those posting are shareholders... can someone explain the butt-hurt over this?

I've never understood why people who have generally bought used cars (or bought, sold, and re-bought slightly newer, used cars) -- be it Porsche or other make -- care about what a company does? I mean you don't have to buy whatever it is they produce, right? From what I've observed, people here don't generally order the car... rather engage in exhaustive searches and are kept up at night by depreciation... So... what is it?

I admit, I haven't gone to see my physician, but if this car is built, does my penis shrink? Will I go bald? Will my house be devalued? Will George RR Martin be thrown into such a panic we won't know what happens at the Wall after A Dance With Dragons? Will the 718 further throw True Blood into a laughable, unwatchable sitcom? Does the creation of 718 somehow shed light into how "Friends" essentially forgot that Ross already had a kid (Ben, IIRC) and didn't seem to address that cliffhanger at it's series conclusion? Will David Ortiz now take selfies with the 718 because Samsung asks him to? Is this the real reason Letterman is stepping down? Is this the same reason why Frank Sinatra never wrote his own music? Was he too concerned over the whole Edsel fiasco? Did President Bush come across a picture of the Pontiac Aztek and forget about checking evidence for WOMD? Why oh why, should I care?

Simply because the brand image effects the older cars and the resale value and others image of your car despite it being made in a different time, could be for the better could be for the worse. Regardless of this though it is about having a passion for the brand, same as how if you played football in college while you are not a part of the current team, you still very much so hope they do well and it does all matter to you because the brand or football team is your passion, weather a current part of it or not.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Simply because the brand image effects the older cars and the resale value and others image of your car despite it being made in a different time, could be for the better could be for the worse. Regardless of this though it is about having a passion for the brand, same as how if you played football in college while you are not a part of the current team, you still very much so hope they do well and it does all matter to you because the brand or football team is your passion, weather a current part of it or not.

Yeah, I guess you're right... I mean Woody Allen hasn't been able to make a movie or get an award, since, well, you know... If I remember correctly, Chappaquiddick really affected Ted Kennedy's career... Steve Howe was never able to pitch again after testing positive for cocaine... unintended acceleration killed Toyota... Bill Clinton hasn't shown his face after defining what "is" is...

I can understand passion for a team because they engage in competition, but passion for an automaker? Really? I mean are these going to be the cars Porsche enters in races? Do you gear up on Porsche clothes to go to the dealership and see your favorite players? Get autographs from the certified mechanics? Trade Porsche cards? Are you affected if they switch fonts in Panamera? If the receptionist at Porsche NA leaves for a new job, does it make you cry?

Oh, and by the way, I disagree with your assertion that the new model affects older car resale -- please show your evidence -- I ask anyone here who bought or sold a car: Have you honestly low-balled (or been low-balled) into selling their car because of the proposed release of a new car that hasn't been built, devalued the brand? Here's my experience -- when the Cayenne was first released, I thought if a car maker wanted to transform Admiral Akbar into a car, this is what it would look like. Somehow, Porsche continues to exist. Somehow, the 911 manages to exist after the 914, the girl-power Boxster, fried egg headlights, and Admiral Akbar on wheels. Somehow, McDonalds is still there after the McPizza, the McLean, the Arch Deluxe, Grimace... Somehow, Timco is still allowed to post after the whole fiat (or Smart Car?) flipping thread (I apologize if I am incorrect in the particular car, I really didn't pay too much attention to that thread).

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yeah, I guess you're right... I mean Woody Allen hasn't been able to make a movie or get an award, since, well, you know... If I remember correctly, Chappaquiddick really affected Ted Kennedy's career... Steve Howe was never able to pitch again after testing positive for cocaine... unintended acceleration killed Toyota... Bill Clinton hasn't shown his face after defining what "is" is...

I can understand passion for a team because they engage in competition, but passion for an automaker? Really? I mean are these going to be the cars Porsche enters in races? Do you gear up on Porsche clothes to go to the dealership and see your favorite players? Get autographs from the certified mechanics? Trade Porsche cards? Are you affected if they switch fonts in Panamera? If the receptionist at Porsche NA leaves for a new job, does it make you cry?

Oh, and by the way, I disagree with your assertion that the new model affects older car resale -- please show your evidence -- I ask anyone here who bought or sold a car: Have you honestly low-balled (or been low-balled) into selling their car because of the proposed release of a new car that hasn't been built, devalued the brand? Here's my experience -- when the Cayenne was first released, I thought if a car maker wanted to transform Admiral Akbar into a car, this is what it would look like. Somehow, Porsche continues to exist. Somehow, the 911 manages to exist after the 914, the girl-power Boxster, fried egg headlights, and Admiral Akbar on wheels. Somehow, McDonalds is still there after the McPizza, the McLean, the Arch Deluxe, Grimace... Somehow, Timco is still allowed to post after the whole fiat (or Smart Car?) flipping thread (I apologize if I am incorrect in the particular car, I really didn't pay too much attention to that thread).

Hey i stayed out of the smart car thread myself, but really is that my only grammar mistake? Pat on the back to myself! However, i would say that A. with the brand devaluation, i would never have been interested in old corvettes, until the new one came out, the new Cadillacs have impressed me as well with gm and has opened me up to the older cars of the brand. On the flip-side the heavy, turbo charged, lesser cylinders BMWs of today have given me a lack of interest in the bmws of yesterday. With the brand passion, for me Porsche's Motorsport performance is a given, but the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about. With the Porsche cars, you are kinda right, i am all about what the journalist have to say about the brand i care for. There are Lancer Evo nuts that could care less about anything to do with rally history or anything, there passion is the street car, nothing to do with Motorsport. I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Hey i stayed out of the smart car thread myself, but really is that my only grammar mistake? Pat on the back to myself! However, i would say that A. with the brand devaluation, i would never have been interested in old corvettes, until the new one came out, the new Cadillacs have impressed me as well with gm and blah blah blah. With the brand passion, for me Porsche's Motorsport performance is a given, but the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about. With the Porsche cars, you are kinda right, i am all about what the journalist have to say about the brand i care for. There are Lancer Evo nuts that could care less about anything to do with rally history or anything, there passion is the street car, nothing to do with Motorsport. I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best.

No, not only mistake, just the one that stood out to me the most. Anyway, I'm trying to understand what you said before the blah blah blah.

You said that "with brand devaluation, i would never have been interested..." -- ok, so what I take this to mean is that you have no free will, just follow trends and other people's input. Ok, so be it. To be honest, "value" is flexible and only determined by the amount person x will pay for something. We had to pay above asking to secure a house. Was it worth it? I dunno. We are happy (even with having to replace 2 water heaters, furnace repairs, yada yada yada) and not everything in life needs to balance in life. Being happy, is something I've paid for in the past and will overpay in the future. What else are you going to do with money?

You go on to say, "... the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about..." -- so, if you are the example of a typical boxster buyer -- I think you already proved what I was saying earlier -- that a hypothetical concept car isn't going to devalue the boxster to the buyer or seller. Ok.

Finally, you close with, "I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best." Now, here I disagree. I think it's nice that other people think it's best in class, but I'm more about making decisions based on my own opinions based on experience, research, and personal taste. Today, I dropped off my car for an oil change and was given a 2014 Panamera 4 to tool around town with (of course, only 50 miles of gas in the tank, but that's ok, I'm used to it). Lots of neat features, and I couldn't tell you whether it is best in anything, because I simply don't like the styling. So, if it is best in anything, it still won't be the car I buy. Also, it won't affect how I feel about my current car. But that's me.

[RedTele58]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Simply because the brand image effects the older cars and the resale value and others image of your car despite it being made in a different time, could be for the better could be for the worse. Regardless of this though it is about having a passion for the brand, same as how if you played football in college while you are not a part of the current team, you still very much so hope they do well and it does all matter to you because the brand or football team is your passion, weather a current part of it or not.

Sorry Jake buddy - I gotta call you on this one...

When I was about your age, Porsche was in the middle of a huge change in the direction they went with their cars. In short order they introduced the 924, 944 and 928. All water cooled, front engine cars. (And this wasn't too long after the introduction of the 914, where in Europe it was marketed as the VW-Porsche 914.)

I remember hanging around the showroom of the Porsche/VW/Audi dealer after trips to the parts dep't for goodies for my '62 Beetle, and listening to 911 owners whining about how Porsche was heading towards ruin by going down the water-cooled road and what would happen to values of their beloved 911's.

Porsche didn't collapse then, and they won't now.

The only brand image I've seen that had an effect on those 911's is they are now so insanely expensive that I'll never again be able to afford one. (In 1985 I sold my '67 911 to buy a '78 924, and have been kicking myself in the butt for that dumb-azz stunt for the past 25 years.)

And if you wonder how the jointly built/marketed VW/Porsche 914 is doing 40 years later, check out how much a nice original or restored one is worth. It's a hella lot more than what our Boxsters are worth.

Our little Boxsters won't take a hit on resale value with regards to anything new introduced by Porsche, VW or a car that's a combo of the two brands. Because quite honestly, they are just about now valued at the level of a throw away car and are just getting cheaper.

I'm looking forward to a new entry level Porsche. In 15 years when the last of our 986's are worn out and gone, we'll have a whole slew of affordable P-cars to tear around in.

Cheers,

Rick

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by RedTele58

Sorry Jake buddy - I gotta call you on this one...

When I was about your age, Porsche was in the middle of a huge change in the direction they went with their cars. In short order they introduced the 924, 944 and 928. All water cooled, front engine cars. (And this wasn't too long after the introduction of the 914, where in Europe it was marketed as the VW-Porsche 914.)

I remember hanging around the showroom of the Porsche/VW/Audi dealer after trips to the parts dep't for goodies for my '62 Beetle, and listening to 911 owners whining about how Porsche was heading towards ruin by going down the water-cooled road and what would happen to values of their beloved 911's.

Porsche didn't collapse then, and they won't now.

The only brand image I've seen that had an effect on those 911's is they are now so insanely expensive that I'll never again be able to afford one. (In 1985 I sold my '67 911 to buy a '78 924, and have been kicking myself in the butt for that dumb-azz stunt for the past 25 years.)

And if you wonder how the jointly built/marketed VW/Porsche 914 is doing 40 years later, check out how much a nice original or restored one is worth. It's a hella lot more than what our Boxsters are worth.

Our little Boxsters won't take a hit on resale value with regards to anything new introduced by Porsche, VW or a car that's a combo of the two brands. Because quite honestly, they are just about now valued at the level of a throw away car and are just getting cheaper.

I'm looking forward to a new entry level Porsche. In 15 years when the last of our 986's are worn out and gone, we'll have a whole slew of affordable P-cars to tear around in.

Cheers,

Rick

I actually love 914s haha, and i do not at all think porsche is going to crap at all. I mean look at the 918, i really do doubt that it would be fundable without the suv and the panamera (which i would possibly prefer to a 911 depending on mood.) and if not that then it is VW's involvement that helped fund it. However, i have never cared for badge engineering cars. A trim level should be a trim level not an entirely different brand of car. In general i like the idea of a 718 as well, lightweight and awesome, a modern example of our early boxsters, a personal favorite formula. I am just butthurt over the idea of the idea of a nearly identical car under the VW badge, not because its VW either, the car could have a lambo, audi, or Bugatti badge for all i care haha i just like the idea of designs being independent to one brand.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

Unless those posting are shareholders and are predicting a market crash..

By this logic not even new Porsche buyers should be complaining about any future cars. Once monies and auto have been exchanged the transaction is ended. They have no more say in what decisions Dr. P makes for the GT3 as the guy buying 300k mile 1999 Carrera for $9k.

People opine. That's what happens on internet forums.
Actually, that is precisely where all Porsche owners as well as Corvette, Rolls Royce or Miata owners should be whinging or cheering.

[nieuwhzn]

and back to the main thread.....flat-4 Porsche roadster....

I hope we all realize that this is going to sound like an old VW Beetle an/or a Subaru, right?
Plus some waste gate wheezing. Nothing against flat-4s. After all, my father owned two VW beetles, so I pretty much grew up in them. But, I don't associate their sound with a Porsche.

[TopChuckie]

Ever since the new Beetle came out with it's retro styling, I've been wondering when VW would bring out a new retro Karmann Ghia. Seems like a no brainer.

Before I was able to afford a Boxster, the Ghia was the car I craved, but couldn't find one in an acceptable condition. Eventually the value of a good condition Ghia passed that of a good condition Boxster, so I went with the better performance and panache, but there are still very few cars better looking than a Karmann Ghia.

A new Karmann Ghia with styling cues of the original and performance on par or better than my Boxster would be just about the perfect car to me.

[TeamOxford]

Originally Posted by TopChuckie

A new Karmann Ghia with styling cues of the original and performance on par or better than my Boxster would be just about the perfect car to me.

Here ya go:



TO

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

By this logic not even new Porsche buyers should be complaining about any future cars. Once monies and auto have been exchanged the transaction is ended. They have no more say in what decisions Dr. P makes for the GT3 as the guy buying 300k mile 1999 Carrera for $9k.

People opine. That's what happens on internet forums.
Actually, that is precisely where all Porsche owners as well as Corvette, Rolls Royce or Miata owners should be whinging or cheering.

You know, I think we are in agreement. Each time I bought a Porsche (3x), I've bought new. I don't know that I find myself complaining about future cars. As for the GT3, I couldn't care less. I did see a 911(50) at the dealership, and I did like it. But GT3? Meh. I'm not a race car driver, nor do I have the desire to be one. So go ahead, Porsche and other enthusiasts, build and modify whatever the F you want and charge whatever the F you want. I am under no condition to buy something to impress my neighbors.

Again, we agree. People do "opine". Now you've heard mine. I'm just trying to understand why people hold these particular opinions. I mean, this is a car forum full of people driving a previous generation of a particular model. Everyone seems overjoyed with their car, so why care about a car that may or may not be made? It doesn't appear to affect one's joy (or misfortune) with their own car, right? If this new concept is made and makes profit for the company, and they make new models... maybe, in 2016 something will roll off that you'll buy, in 2020, or sometime after depreciation satisfies your preconditions -- not that there is anything wrong with that. I just don't get it, but at least we agree.

[BRAN]

It is mainly a print magazine, so linking the article is kinda difficult.
Should be available for iPad too.

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