Drove a 09 Cayman S: Big mistake!

[bobclive]

Is it fair on the consumer, I mean the used car consumer, the guy who saves for years to buy his first Porsche, the guy who cannot bear the cost of a new engine, the guy who sees bog standard ill maintained Fords lasting well over 200,000 miles and has NO idea of the hazards when purchasing what he is told is one of the finest engineered cars made.

It is a scandal when ONE small bearing failure can totally wreck an engine, if the failure numbers in the 987 are so small Porsche should be prepared to replace all those engines, the last fix by Porsche has condemned future owners of those mid 2005-2009 cars to an extremely expensive repair when that bearing shows any signs of wear and it will.

Perhaps someone can inform me of any other manufacturer using this type of bearing within the confines of their engine. If Porsche cared about their second user customers they would never have inserted a bearing they knew would fail at ANY time and could NOT be replaced at reasonable cost.

I am UK retired, I sold my late 2005 Boxster S with 15,000 miles and the final IMS fix, It was a summer car doing about 2,000 per year, it was a ticking time bomb, If it had been an early cheap to fix 2005 car I would never have sold it.
I now have a Gen2 2.9 car with NO DFI, can`t get carbon buildup on this engine.

[nicecar]

Originally Posted by Ian c

BUY GOLD !!! BUY GOLD !!!



The amount of guys on here with "LN" in the signatures is astonishing .
Are you really trying to say "I'm smarter than porsche , and smarter than you ... Look at me !!! " Lmao

Yet in the same sentence bemoaning the porsche they own being a mass produced "disposable car" ...

It really is ridiculous .

Porsche have allways been about "evolution not revolution" , yet many big-up there older cars at the expense of the far superior later cars .., why is that ?
Ego self pleasure ?
Listen to your mummy ... That will make you blind you know .

Porsche "problems" have been going on for years , yet overall they are great cars .
Car guys simply learn about the issues , deal with them , and move on .
No crying .
No bull .
No Internet expertise .
Just drive them and have fun ...

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3.5 years of reading on this forum ,I would tell someone to read this post. Everything I own is maintenance and they ALL have weak points

[Topless]

All Boxster/Cayman are fun to drive and you will never get near their performance envelope on the street. Get what you like but the 09 is sublime. It will probably be my next Porsche.

[Ian c]

Whereabouts in SoCal are you ?

[seventythree]

I may be wrong on this, but didn't Porsche put the direct injection, IMS-less engine in the S cars in 09 and the base starting 2010?

[Zedcat]

Originally Posted by seventythree

I may be wrong on this, but didn't Porsche put the direct injection, IMS-less engine in the S cars in 09 and the base starting 2010?

The 987.2 Boxster and Cayman starting in MY 09 have the 9A1 motor (no IMS) the base cars have 2.9L and are not DFI. The S models have DFI.

[surf40]

Originally Posted by Ian c

Whereabouts in SoCal are you ?

I live in Ventura Co. Got to drive the Cayman in the mountains behind Thousand Oaks and Moorpark.

[Ian c]

Originally Posted by surf40

I live in Ventura Co. Got to drive the Cayman in the mountains behind Thousand Oaks and Moorpark.

If there are no more cars to test drive nearby , pm me .
There is an 03 here you can try any time you want .

[RandallNeighbour]

Clarification: not all 09 motors are the same. You want a 09.2 late production motor. If it has PDK, it has he new motor for sure...

[eremite]

Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

Clarification: not all 09 motors are the same. You want a 09.2 late production motor. If it has PDK, it has he new motor for sure...

That is not clarification, it's obfuscation. It they're not all the same, how are they different? How is an 09.2 late production (does 09.2=late production?) determined? Please clarify.

[rp17]

If a 09 is in your price range, buy it and say to heazy with the whole Ixx hooplah. Drove a 2011 base, and eventhough my S was faster, that car was beautiful inside and out. Even rolled smoother with the newer dammpners than my car. As long as the engine isn't blowing up, can't go wrong.

[bobclive]

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[Ckrikos]

Am I reading that the 987.1 and 997.1 are less desirable when compared to older cars? I thought the imsb in these cars did not self destruct at the rate of the older ones. Anyway, I am for buying the Ferrari challenge stradale or a 996TT. It's rare that I have had the pedal to the metal in my TT. In my boxster it was much much more frequent.

[ekam]

Funny how everybody recommends IMS-less, DFI engines yet nobody mentions about the dirty valves issue that plagues ALL DFI engines in North America. Go read on VW, Audi, BMW forums people...

Grass is greener on the other side.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by ekam

360CS still commands big money vs the Modena.

This article does have a point...

Could an Old Ferrari be a Better Deal than a New 911? | 6SpeedOnline.com

As long as you don't drive it. A new 911 is a workhorse. Ferrari is show piece. with pretty poor build quality for the price if you look at some of the Ferrari forums. One guy on there who has his own lift and does all his own work (has a 996 too) posts about how sloppily the product is put together by the Ferari mechanics once you start getting under there. As far as durability, you basically have to pony up for the track versions if you want a car that can come close to a Porsche on build quality. And high mileage Ferraris are rare birds. I saw one post by a 430 owner I believe where the mechanics all came out to look a Ferrari that had ~70K miles. They'd never see such a thing.

Originally Posted by ekam

Funny how everybody recommends IMS-less, DFI engines yet nobody mentions about the dirty valves issue that plagues ALL DFI engines in North America. Go read on VW, Audi, BMW forums people...

Grass is greener on the other side.

I think about this. I never thought I'd own this car for over a decade. But it seems like a "The devil you know" more than "the grass is greener". Unless Porsche slap a flat 8 into a Boxster I'm not sure I would buy a newer Porsche on the basis of additional HP. But I did read somehwere the VW chief was driving around in a 981 Cayman with a flat 8.

[RandallNeighbour]

Midway through 2009 Porsche changed the motor design and added PDK. The revised motor has direct injection (if I'm not mistaken) and no longer has an IMS.

[OKCShooter]

OP mentions an original plan of buying a $12Kish car (early 986) and the advice has worked its way up to buying a Ferrari 360CS?

Heck, why not just get a FGT?

[rfuerst911sc]

Surf40 do you want a coupe or convertible ? You are going to have to figure that out first. I have owned Porsche's for the last 25 years and the same story now as back then.........buy the newest/best example you can afford. If that is a 2000 model year so be it. And don't shoot all your money on the purchase as generally you want to have some money available to go through the car to make sure the basics are up to snuff. Of course records from the previous owner/s is helpful to see what kind of life it has had. IMS can be an issue but for many it is not. In my case I had the pleasure of obtaining my 02 S from Jake Raby. Had the IMS Solution installed I'll never have to worry about that issue again. Love the car so much I'm now personalizing it to my taste. GT3 front bumper cover, GT3Tek rear bumper diffuser. 996 GT3RS side rocker covers well you get the idea. Jake is currently building a 3.6 short stroke motor for it she will be a killer to drive . Look at and drive as many examples as you can and then make a decision. A PPI via a shop that knows these cars can be invaluable to the buying process but is NOT a guarantee of success. Good luck.