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VW/Audi 1.8T
Anyone ever look at a VW/Audi 1.8T engine as a possible replacement in a boxster? it makes 250 HP in oem trim out of an auto tt so, given it is a turbo, there should be lots of power still on the table. the transmission should bolt right up, and dimensions are fine - the 1.8t is 1" taller otherwise narrower and shorter; 911 engine swaps have proven that a 1" taller engine can fit in the boxster. intercooler plumbing would have to be sorted out, but this can be done in any number of ways as proven by various companies that have been putting turbos on boxsters for the past 15 years (air/water using the third rad, air/air in the undercarriage, etc.). ps, it weighs about 150 lbs less than a m96 engine.
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checking a bit more, and the height may be off (one source says 1" taller, another says 5" taller). if anything more than 1" taller then dry sump would be required. not a big deal, as these appear to be readily available for the 1.8t - it looks like the engine sees a lot of development for open wheel racing and all the go-fast technology is transferable.
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Let me know if you decide to do this ...
I have parts in my storage that will get you to around 400 All you need to do at this kind of hp is better rods which are around $600 |
I doubt i'll ever do it, but wondering if it has been considered by those that do (kpaz et al). it really came from looking at the racing regs in my area; stu runs at 2550 max displacement with a 1.3 modifier for forced induction. so, I could look at a 2.5 na engine or a 1.8 turbo engine. 2.5 na made me think immediately of a boxster (or, a 2 L s2000 that makes 250 hp). a quick search of 1.8 L turbo engines produced the 1.8t as the winner. if I could make 50 hp and lose 150 lbs by putting a 1.8t in a boxster (did I mention compatible bosch dme) ...
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250 hp 2 L s2000 engine (f20c) is only 1.5" higher than the m96 ...
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The Honda 's an OEM race engine built by one of the finest engine builders worldwide but would it have enough low end power to remain enjoyable around town?
P.S. If my engine ever grenades I'll be gettin' into a S2000 real quick! For me, a transplant with anything less than a quad-cam V8 is too much bother ( after all what I really want is a Ferrari!). |
s2000 walks around at about the same weight as the boxster, so it should be able to move it. it is known for not much torque, but when you redline at 9000 rpm who needs torque?
the 1.8t is the ticket though. no tranny adaptor, relatively plug and play dme, 250 stock hp (that moves the awd 3300 lb audi tt around nicely enough) engine under $2k on ebay, 150 lbs lighter. if it'll fit. |
They're actually 225 stock on the bigger tt , 180 on its little brother .
Add 40-45 with a remap |
I've driven the 2.2L S2000, and it pulls fine down low. I don't know why you'd do that swap though, it's not really an upgrade in power.
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sorry, this was more of a discussion on the 1.8T, not the s2000.
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True. My wife just bought an A5 with the 2.0T. We'll see how it goes, it's our first Audi, or turbo car.
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The S2k engine has a lot of horsepower for it's size, but what a lot of people do not realize is it produces relatively low torque for the horsepower output. Personally If I wanted a S2k like engine, I'd ride a motorcycle. Shelby Carroll once said,"horsepower sells cars, torque wins races". I find the 2.7l needing more torque; I would not want to downgrade to even less! Long ago I thought the 4 cylinder cranking out 250hp was really incredible engineering, but a let down of expectations once I saw how an S2k really fared.
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wow. should never have mentioned the s2000.
ps, goggle dynos for an audi 1.8t - it makes as much or more torque as the 986 s. |
I was afraid the A5 would be a slug, with the same 200 HP as our old RSX, but 800 pounds of extra weight. But it isn't bad, like you say, it has ~ 100 ft./lbs. more torque than the N/A 2.0, from around 1500 RPM and up.
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That would be absolutely wild in a Boxster S! |
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are the 1.8T and 2.0T 20-valve engines?
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Yes they are
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Off topic , but here are some pics of one I built a couple of years ago .
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/NewPlate.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x.../NewWheels.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...NewWheels2.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...NewWheels3.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...NewWheels4.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...NewGrille3.jpg |
Ian c, that is beautiful.:cheers:
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definitely a neat car- the wheels match the rest of it perfectly.
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Are you saying a VW 1.8T is a direct fit to the boxster transaxle?
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Also the 225 TT has 2 side mount air/air intercoolers
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the boxster 5-and 6-speed transaxles are interchangeable, and the boxster 5-speed transaxle is a repurposed audi 012 unit so I assume complete compatibility (you would have to turn the engine 90 degrees).
regarding intercoolers, I think standard practice on boxsters is to use an air/water unit and repurpose the centre radiator as a heat exchanger for the intercooling. kpaz found on his 400 + hp 4-pot subi conversion that he had more cooling than required, so I assume that the middle rad wouldn't be missed on the 1.8t conversion. |
Just put over 100 miles on my 1.8t 1999 Boxster. I'm using the stock transmission, the gearing works out great with this turbo engine. I have a tuned APR tuned ECM, so the power should be about 200HP. I did have to put a little bump in the top engine cover to clear the engine but the roof still opens and closes without problems. I still need to find a solution for making the 6cyl tach work with the 4cyl engine.
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where's the PICS!
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1581459.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1581458.jpg https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1581457.jpg https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1581456.jpg https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1581455.jpg I also put an identical 1.8t and 5 speed transmission, also tuned to about 200hp. It's a blast to drive. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1581446.jpg |
http://https://www.thesamba.com/vw/g...ix/1899293.jpg
What are you guys typically getting for fuel mileage with your stock engines? While I haven't actually checked it yet, I seem to be getting great fuel mileage with this 1.8t entgine, I'm guessing around 30mpg or better. I'll check it over my next full tank of fuel. Andrew- Flint European Auto. |
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My 1.8T Golf gets 35-40 hwy and 30ish city. |
Reviving an old thread here.
Has anyone else done an engine swap with a VW 1.8t engine? I want to do a project car with an alternative engine that can be pushed to around 300hp. The 1.8t seems like a good fit due to cost, comparability with the 5 speed tranny and performance upgrades. I know one guy in NY did this about a year ago. Any additional info would be appreciated. Thanks |
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