911 envy ?

[Ian c]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

are you discussing the cost to do some simple modifications or the cost to buy a track Porsche that won't blow out engine/transmission/brakes and doesn't come with a GT3 engine?

Neither .
I'm telling you the cost to make a 997 more temperature controlled should the 99% of them made overheat on The track like you say they do ....

[Topless]

A bit of clarification gentlemen.

The 986/996 and 987/997 are no more likely to overheat on a racetrack than the venerable Turbo or GT3. Actually due to a flaw in the GT1 engine variant, the Turbo/GT3 are MORE likely to overheat, with failed coolant line connectors that have dumped coolant on the rear wheels causing spin and loss of control. There is a $3000 fix available... engine-out of course:

The GT1 Coolant Pipe Prevention / Fix on GT1 block (GT3, GT2, Turbo) Cars - SharkWerks Porsche Project Gallery

Carry on.

[Perfectlap]

^ I'm not so sure that that you have pointed out that T/GT3 do overheat as much as all Porsches will eventually overheat if tracked long enough.

p.s.
I would not buy a 996/997 GT3 without that coolant pipe fix. Ditto for downgrading the PCCBs and dispensing with center locking wheels.

[Topless]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

^ I'm not so sure that that you have pointed out that T/GT3 do overheat as much as all Porsches will eventually overheat if tracked long enough.

The forums are loaded with tales of woe if you choose to look. It is as widespread and well understood as IMS with similar repair costs. Now that you mention it though, I have been hitting the track regularly since 2006 and I don't recall any systemic overheat problems with m96/m97 based cars. An occasional failed waterpump or mis-routed coolant line yes. I have seen a dozen Turbo/GT3 going home on a flatbed with coolant dribbling out the back. I have also seen a few backed into a wall after a coolant fitting let go.

I think you got this whole overheat scenario backwards PL. On a really hot day an m96/m97 will heat soak the motor but overheat to the point of damage is rare in a typical 20-30 min DE session. In a 24 hrs of Daytona all bets are off for a street car.

[ghostrider300]

In a 24 hrs of Daytona all bets are off for a street car. Or the San Bernadino / death valley run for the next two months.

[nicecar]

i know the 2000 carrera is the same tub as my 2002 s but is the motor ,suspension brakes etc. the same just with the motor in a different place m96?

[Topless]

Hi Ghost!


nicecar
"i know the 2000 carrera is the same tub as my 2002 s but is the motor ,suspension brakes etc. the same just with the motor in a different place m96?"

Nope. You have a 3.2L 250hp motor, the Carrera has a 3.4L 296 HP motor. The 3.4L will fit rather well into your car though.

[Rickinduncan]

Yeah. I am a 911 wannabe , but I could afford a boxster so that's what I bought my wife. I suppose it's a status or snobbish thing. I mean, I park the box next to Miadas and BMW z4s at the yacht club, just to lord it over them. Sure, they've got a bigger boat than I, but hey- they aren't driving a boxster. Then today, some sob parks his new jag f series 2 seater next to me! What a slap in the face. I broke out in hives. So, head down, I moved the Box - next to a 'vette! I'm feeling top of the world again.

[fatmike]

Originally Posted by Rickinduncan

So, head down, I moved the Box - next to a 'vette! I'm feeling top of the world again.

You better look out, that new Stingray looks like it will be pretty awesome.




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[Rickinduncan]

Originally Posted by fatmike

You better look out, that new Stingray looks like it will be pretty awesome.




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I'm in Canada . It will take 4 years for that to get popular here. By then I'll just be a tired old man - instead of an angry old man. (I think I stole those lines from Steve Earle)

[Ian c]

Originally Posted by Rickinduncan

Then today, some sob parks his new jag f series 2 seater .

What is it like ?
I've only seen adverts on tv upto now .
It looks a nice piece of kit .
How much bigger than a 986 ?

[Rickinduncan]

I couldn't tell. I was looking at the ground - kinda like the perp walk you see on TV. But my wife said it looked 'nice'. No sex for her tonight.

[BoxsTim]

For those who missed this...

Showdown - 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera (991) vs. 2013 Porsche Boxster S - CAR and DRIVER - YouTube

[Kurt V]

If you worry about what others think about the car you are driving, get a Toyota. Then they won't even notice you. I've owned 2 911's and now a Boxster. Enjoyed them all. I'll eventually move on to something else when the urge hits me. I was just at the PCA track day at Kansas Speedway a week ago. Everything from 914's to 911's to 944's to 928's to 986's on the track. Each and everyone of them were having a blast. Didn't see any "envy" there at all.

[fusionist]

The 911 has always seemed like an older generation's Porsche to me. Two of my uncles had them back in the day. My aunt had a 944.

The Box is the first car Porsche made since I learned to drive.... and I'm 39. There is something special about a car being of your time.... when you came of age.

[Coffinhunter]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

If you worry about what others think about the car you are driving, get a Toyota.

I have also noticed that the only people calling the Boxster an "Entry Level Porsche" are the ones driving something other than a Porsche. Every Porsche owner I have come across (and I've met people with all models) just want to know how I like it, what year, or talk Porsche shop.

Everyone else.....eff em. I have the car because I love it.

[Pedrof]

Originally Posted by Ian c

I'm not trying to be a dick , but the amount of bull that gets posted by people online whenever the boxster - 911 discussion comes up has been amazing me since 98

THEY ARE BOTH GREAT CARS !!!!

Sorry very OT. Would you guys know where to buy the tailights of the above 986? Looks nice, i dont think its the depo one.

[Ian c]

It is not a 986 .
But that's not to say you cannot find an aftermarket version of them lenses for a 986 , just that I cannot help you with that .

[laphan]

Well, 911 is always at the back of my mind. After 3 years convincing myself that the boxster is almost as good as 911, I budged to 911 pressure. Pulled the plug on 2002 996. They are 2 different cars and 911 is more comfy and powerful while the boxster is more nimble and sharp. They complement each other nicely. One boxster and one 911 would be a great combination.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by woodsman

Porsche's are less common in Canada than the USA. Very few know the difference between a Boxster and a 911 and the perception that the Boxster is a 'woman's' car, is totally foreign to me.

At the Parade this year as I was entering the staging area for the Porsche Parade through Traverse City in my 996 Twin Turbo a PCA volunteer came running up to my car yelling: "Boxsters must turn left, STOP!"