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Old 10-15-2005, 08:34 PM   #1
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Geez.. I wasn't expecting this reaction.. I was proud of myself until I read all this.. thanks for the support guys.

BTW, before you start bashing me I did everything that was specified in the service checklist, inclusing hooking up to a code reader, and we even bled the breaks.

If you guys want to continue funding the new granite floors and marble bathroom in the dealership owners house then go ahead, but please don't bash me or other for wanting to do the work ourselves.

I much rather get my hands dirty and get a beter understanding about my car, then pay someone else to do it. It's not a money issue as I am more then able to afford dealer upkeep, but why?

If you think about it 2 people at just over 2 hours is 4 hours of labour anyways.. so its damm close. Me and my friend weren't working together, as much as each of us were doing our own thing. I did half the plugs, he did the other half, while he was jaking the car and taking the wheels off, I was replacing the air and cabin filters, etc... so I think we were rather thorough.

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Old 10-15-2005, 08:45 PM   #2
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Its not bashing. It is helping you understand the downside. I am sure we are all envious that you can do that and we old want to also. I know I am. Presenting someone with the negative consequences of their actions is good because it allows people to act with their eyes open.
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Old 10-15-2005, 10:51 PM   #3
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You did fine. Do my basic maintenance myself too on a new purchased 01S.
OPC is a ripoff.

And the sollution to reduced price when selling is DON'T SELL IT. Enjoy it for live.

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Old 10-16-2005, 02:34 AM   #4
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I did my own 30, 40, and in a short while will be doing the 60k service. I have done the 60k service on other Boxsters but I have not yet reached that mileage on my own car. There is nothing magic about it. The warranty was over 6 years ago.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:21 AM   #5
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HI,

Too many people think there's something mystical about Porsche Mechanics and Porsche Service. Many of them have less education and mechanical experience than many of us.

The Warranty Violation issue is a semi-valid one - your warranty for a non-related part is still intact - By Law - whether you had the Maintenance done by the OPC or not.

The Resale argument is a bunch of Baloney! If you do your own work properly and thoroughly, there'll be no difference between DIY and OPC. If maintained properly, either by you or the OPC, this will reflect in the overall condition of the Car. No prospective buyer is going to worry about what method was used if the car is a fine example, they're just going to want the car. If they try to use OPC Service as a haggling point, just don't let them - stick to your price. If the car is a good example properly maintained, you'll have no trouble finding another buyer.

On the other hand, an OPC maintained car is no guarantee whatever that the car is in any better shape than the PPI indicates. It will certainly be neither a Deal Maker or a Deal Breaker - it's the car which counts!

I say Bravo for the job you did! My car will never see the OPC unless the service is a better use of my time or resources or if it is beyond my capabilities which are quite broad - including Engine/Transmission rebuilding, and just about everything in between. For me, OPC Service is simply a waste of money, for others (who cannot or will not do their own work, OPC is their best option)...

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

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Old 10-16-2005, 08:22 AM   #6
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There is nothing magic about it.
Exactly my point...

Some things are even easier on the porsche then on some other cars. I think doing your own maintenance is a great way to learn about your car, and to get an appreciation of how well built and designed it is.

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Old 10-16-2005, 09:22 AM   #7
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A few thoughts.

As Brucelee suggested, I had the dealer do everything until the warranty ran out just in case, but after that I've only had one other tech touch the Boxster one time.

Also, as several have said, there are several checks to be done at the same time. The full service takes me about 4 hours on my own so two guys doing it in two hours is pretty close as long as all of the checks were done. These checks really need to be done so if you don't plan on doing the checks, then you should not do the service yourself.

As far as a buyer wanting service records from a dealer, that is true for a model that's a few years old, but as they age you have to be aware of the buyer. Buyers of models that are 5+ years old are more likely to take care of things on their own. The reason is, if they have the money to pay somebody $200-$300 for every oil change, they have the money for a new model. Most buyers of a 5+ year old model would rather know the car is relatively easy to repair and service themselves. If you have all of the receipts and keep a journal of dates and exactly what was done, they see you have more interest in the car than most others. When you offer to take it to the Porsche dealer of their choice for them to have a PPI done, they know you are confident in the car and the service you have done.

Finally, and I think most important, as Jim stated, the "Porsche Specialist" does not always have more education concerning the Boxster than you, nor does he always the best interest of your car at heart (if ever). Not all dealerships require their techs to be Porsche Certified. Bottom line is it's the "bottom line". The specialist will do what his manager tells him to do in the interest of getting it done and out so the next can come in. Own your car for awhile and you will see what I mean. When I do things to my Boxster, they are done right and I take the time to make sure that's the case because it is my Boxster.

Things that "Porsche Specialists" did to my 928

Here's a list of some of the wonderful things Porsche Specialists did to my 928 as an example of how little somebody else cares about your Porsche. The PO of my 928 had the records and everything was done at a Porsche dealer or by a Porsche Certified Mechanic. Keep in mind, if this car were available today it would be a $120K+ automobile (thank God for depreciation in my case ), but they still did this stuff:

1) Missing bolts on the water pump. That's right, I replaced the TB and WP when I first bought it. Two bolts were missing on the water pump.

2) The PO said the A/C did not work. He had it checked out by a Porsche Specialist but it still did not work. He was not concerned with it because he lived up north so he left it alone. So what was this horrendous problem that alluded the specialist? The A/C compressor sending wire was unplugged. I found it while replacing the TB and WP. Plugged it in and the A/C has worked beautifully ever since.

3) Several other bolts/screws were missing in the engine bay.

4) There are some flaps in the front of the car that close off the air flow when the engine is cold to help it warm up faster. As the engine temp rises, the flaps open until they are completely open at operating temp. They were opening and closing constantly, back and forth, so the PO had it checked out. They told him it needed a new motor at $400 w/ labor. He didn't want to pay that much so they disconnected them in the open position. When I bought it, a trip to a forum suggested the relay was the problem, so I replaced the relay and it's been working beautifully ever since.

These are just a few of the things I have found so far. I'm sure others will surface as I work on it more.

Bottom line for me is if you want to do your own maintenance/repairs, do it, but only if you want to do the entire service and do it right. Otherwise pay someone else to read the manuals and do it.
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Old 10-16-2005, 07:33 PM   #8
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Kudos to those of you that do your own maintenance, and I wish you every happiness.
In defense of my position, I offer the same hypothetical situation that I did the last time this issue came up on this forum.
You are examining for purchase two 10 yr old Boxsters. Both have approximately the same mileage, both appear to be in the same excellent condition, and drive well. A pre-purchase inspection reveals no apparent problems with either car. The asking price for each is approximately the same.
One of them has complete documentation for all maintenance either from an authorized Porsche dealer or from a Porsche specialist after the expiration of the factory warranty. The other car has a manila folder with a bunch of sales receipts for oil and spark plugs from Auto Zone.
Which one do you buy?
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