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MNBoxster · 09-20-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

don't you lose torque in between shifts with a tip?
I recall that being one of the reasons why an expert
contributor to Excellence Magazine chose the 986S manual over the tip.
Something about "not getting the full effect of the engine".

Hi,

I don't feel that you do. The TipS cars effectively make more Torque than a Manual by nature of the fact that the Torque Converter actually multiplies the Engine's Torque. Plus, the TipS shifts much faster than a Manual so it really wouldn't matter. If you mean can the Engine fall out of the Power Band? Then yes, it can, but so does a Manual. I don't think I fully understand your question.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

Brucelee · 09-20-2005, 07:50 AM

Several brief comments:

1-Boxsters are considered chick cars by some folks. The vast majority of owners however, are male.

So, who cares what non-Boxster owners thnk? It is a very fine car and we know it!

2-I am driving a C5 corvette right now. The car is a very fine handling machine and I would not be concerned about taking on any twisty road.

In a straight line, it is a blur!

3-In SOCAL, a rag top is almost mandatory. I don't understand how a convertable cannot be considered a SC. Would any Ferrari rag not be considered a SC?

People have all these artitrary distinctions when in reality, they don't hold up to the facts.

In the end, it is all just opinion. Kinda of like the opinions on the TIP.

Hey, drive a tip, if you like it, buy it.

If not, don't!

It is, what it is!

Perfectlap · 09-20-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

I don't feel that you do. The TipS cars effectively make more Torque than a Manual by nature of the fact that the Torque Converter actually multiplies the Engine's Torque. Plus, the TipS shifts much faster than a Manual so it really wouldn't matter. If you mean can the Engine fall out of the Power Band? Then yes, it can, but so does a Manual. I don't think I fully understand your question.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

I'll have to unearth the issue of Excellence, but I remember very clearly that it said that a tiptronic transmission shaves power in between shifts, resulting in a loss of torque( vs. Manual Trans). It could be that the TC does in fact multiply the torque but (according to Excellence) it's still less torque overall than what you would get manually shifting where there is no shaving of power.

Its the Excellence issue "rating the best Porsche convertibles" .

MNBoxster · 09-20-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

I'll have to unearth the issue of Excellence, but it remember very clearly that it said that a tiptronic transmission shaves power in between shifts, resulting in a loss of torque. It could be that the TC does in fact multiply the torque but (according to Excellence) its till less torque overall than what you would get manually shifting where there is no shaving of power.

Hi,

I'm still unclear as to what you mean. If you mean that the TipS robs some HP, well I agree, with some exception. Any Automatic Transmission has some Parasitic Loss associated with it simply because it draws Crank power to run the TC pump and the Servos in the Tranny. That said, Porsche adds about 8HP to the TipS cars over the Manual ones to make up for this Parasitic Loss, so there should be no Net effect.

But, your initial post mentioned robbing Torque which isn't the same thing as Power which you now state. In either event, I think I've addressed the issue, as has Porsche.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

Perfectlap · 09-20-2005, 08:45 AM

yes it robs torque vs. a manual, in addition to HP. Meaning there is a net loss with a tip.
I think that if Porsche had completely addressed the issue, then the Excellence contributor wouldn't have cited the tip power/torque reduction as a reason to opt for the manual S vs. the tip.

I have no experience driving a tip. BUt I have driven paddles and I can say that these are inventions of the Devil which have ruined motorsports. But Great if you're an older guy or have physical limitations.
Hopefully someday I'll find that Ferrari 360 coupe with NO paddles.

lexuspilot · 09-20-2005, 12:35 PM

Brucelee,

On your point numbered 3:
Where in the post did it say Boxsters aren't Sports cars?

Brucelee · 09-20-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lexuspilot

Brucelee,

On your point numbered 3:
Where in the post did it say Boxsters aren't Sports cars?

Sorry, misread this as Sports cars vs Chick cars.

Hmmm, can a sports car BE a chick car?

MNBoxster · 09-20-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

yes it robs torque vs. a manual, in addition to HP. Meaning there is a net loss with a tip.
I think that if Porsche had completely addressed the issue, then the Excellence contributor wouldn't have cited the tip power/torque reduction as a reason to opt for the manual S vs. the tip.

I have no experience driving a tip. BUt I have driven paddles and I can say that these are inventions of the Devil which have ruined motorsports. But Great if you're an older guy or have physical limitations.
Hopefully someday I'll find that Ferrari 360 coupe with NO paddles.

Ok,

Well, all I can say is that the contributor is either very biased or wrong, or both.

Auto Boxes are not lower in torque than their Manual counterparts and Porsche does Up the horsepower of the TipS cars. These are not opinion, they are fact. I'll be happy to dig out the sources, though it may take me a day or two.

A lot of people in the Enthusiast World (in the General Public for that matter) tend to lean toward conformity. The reigning opinion is that a Manual is everything and an Auto Box is Trash. Because of this, many people form an opinion which is safe, but maybe without objectively looking at all the facts. Of course, the gearbox is just a part of a Sports Car and the Boxster experience. Top speed difference is minimal 2-3MPH and the 0-60 times are very close as well. But, either will give you the Boxster experience, and in several categories, the TipS wins out. So, it all boils down to what you prefer. One caveat though, if you haven't driven both, you have no basis to form an opinion either way.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

Brucelee · 09-20-2005, 03:31 PM

I have driven both for several years.

I like them both, depending on my mood.

If I feeling frisky that day, I like the six speed.

If I am mellow or am going to sit in traffic, the tip rules.

The Tip is a very good manumatic BTW.

MNBoxster · 09-21-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

I have driven both for several years.

I like them both, depending on my mood.

If I feeling frisky that day, I like the six speed.

If I am mellow or am going to sit in traffic, the tip rules.

The Tip is a very good manumatic BTW.

Hi,

I agree with all that you say here. They are both good, but for different reasons. I own 5 cars and 4 of them are Manuals. I find it very refreshing to jump into the Boxster and let the Box do my thinking. I certainly don't enjoy the car any less than any of my others. If I get the penchant to shift, all I have to do is jump into some different Sheet Metal to do it.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99