ouch...

[Overdrive]

Always take stats with a grain of salt.

Porsche's customer base is also much smaller than say, Toyota, so you can expect more extreme fluctuations in satisfaction, and problems to take a bigger hit on quality standings.

The Cayenne is a dolled-up VW Touareg...expect typical VW issues.

And in my rather outspoken (at the moment) opinion, every car maker's quality has gone to crap in the last 15 years. Cost cutting and only designing something to the point of functioning is what everyone is doing these days, save the high 6 and 7 figure price tag boutique manufacturers (and even then). We all know that car making has turned into designing parts to have a shorter lifespan for more frequent replacements, and lately it's gone a step further in making components as assemblies. So you can't just buy that one switch, you have to buy the whole cluster that's been built as one replaceable unit. I understand it from a business standpoint, but as a screwed consumer, it's not pleasing.

So I'm not saying Porsche is a saint in any of this. On the contrary, they took their cost-cutting advice from Toyota and ran with it, and it's only going to get worse with VW pulling the strings. The prestige of the name is still there, but when you're basically looking at a rebadged VW SUV, you get what you pay for, AND you have to add a $30,000.00 premium on top for sheetmetal and badges.

Also keep in mind that in an effort to save weight, things aren't going to sound as solid because they're not. It doesn't give you that feeling of quality like a solid door close without window rattles and tinny sounds, but if it were built like an old 911 and stuffed with airbags, I think the Boxster would easily weight at least another 500lbs, and no one wants that.

[Ghostrider 310]

denversteve, I politely say to that Beee ESSSS! My car was coddled and some people who went to the dealer and received new engines had the second engines blow up too. Simply stated there isn't one scheduled maintenance that was skipped on my crippled car. Furthermore, when I took my 944 to the dealer they returned it leaking oil and then charged full for the second repair. There is ZERO truth that a car maintained well by a competent indy mechanic is the reason a Boxster will fail. I don't agree that the cheapness was all for weight savings either, the interior in the 98 is really quite cheesy considering cost and a 944 is likely lighter than a Boxster at 2800/ 2900 pounds.
The dentist owns an island, he goes to the dealer for the really pretty stamp collections and both are under Porsche warranty AND when your name begins with doctor Porsche dealers deliver a different style of service.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

I don't agree that the cheapness was all for weight savings either, the interior in the 98 is really quite cheesy considering cost and a 944 is likely lighter than a Boxster at 2800/ 2900 pounds.

Definitely wasn't saying that that was the only reason or way in which Porsche cheaped out on this car, just one of many. In terms of safety, it's just inevitable that a car's going to get heavier to get safer, so you'll need to compensate elsewhere or just get bloated. But in terms of quality, yes, the interior's definitely lacking for something that was $40,000 bare bones minimum when new 15 years ago and most likely going for easily $10,000 more than that typically.

Hell, they gave it a vinyl window for the first 7 years! And I didn't even know the car could come without door speakers until recently! These are things I expect to be done as cost cutting measures on a Yaris.

But in any case, it could definitely be worse, and it's not all bad. I agree with blue200s, something's kinda wrong with your system more than the car company when you rank a company up high one year and down low the very next.

[Ghostrider 310]

My last word is this, it was indy mechanics that developed a fix and a special puller for the double row bearings..

[ChairmanRon]

The 944 has the fiasco with having to replace the timing belt regularly or else the car blows up. The Boxster "improvement" is that now you have to replace the IMS bearing or else IT blows up.

The IMS bearing issue is a huge black eye for Porsche.

Cheers,
Ron
'03 986

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

denversteve, I politely say to that Beee ESSSS! My car was coddled and some people who went to the dealer and received new engines had the second engines blow up too. Simply stated there isn't one scheduled maintenance that was skipped on my crippled car. Furthermore, when I took my 944 to the dealer they returned it leaking oil and then charged full for the second repair. There is ZERO truth that a car maintained well by a competent indy mechanic is the reason a Boxster will fail. I don't agree that the cheapness was all for weight savings either, the interior in the 98 is really quite cheesy considering cost and a 944 is likely lighter than a Boxster at 2800/ 2900 pounds.
The dentist owns an island, he goes to the dealer for the really pretty stamp collections and both are under Porsche warranty AND when your name begins with doctor Porsche dealers deliver a different style of service.

+ 1, I did all the maintenance on my 99 Boxster on time and the right way and it suffered from all the common problems that Boxsters are known for, I now own a 2002 Boxster and love it but like all Boxsters I am always working on it. I only paid $9,000.00 for my 2002, It was a great deal, Part of the reason is because of the fact that these cars have so many issues, and please don't tell me all cars do, I also have a 2006 Lotus Elise that I drive and track the hell out of with Zero Problems, all I do is regular maintenance.

The M96 motor that Porsche put in are cars, is a joke and for this reason alone Porsche deserves such a low rating, They deserve it.

[Idaho Red Rocket 3]

Funny thing is....we all still love our Porsches !!