07-26-2009, 05:19 PM
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Sorry, but I NEVER divulge oil information and making a recommendation that defies Porsche's "Bible" is a good way to end up being responsible for someone's failed engine.. In a perfect world I could share information without any negative fallout.. Not happening in the 21st Century..
No one can squeeze the info from me, not on the phone, here or face to face.. Read the oil article on the LN Engineering site and make your selection based on that as Charles and I worked together on it.
Oil selections are hot topics with lots of critics and experts that don't know a piston from a cylinder head, but they will argue their point based on BS in advertisements and what they have "read"... Not me, direct experience is ALL that matters.
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07-26-2009, 05:47 PM
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thanks for the reply, after reading many of your posts and blogs I kind of figured that would be the answer. I guess it would be pointless to ask what you put in your car last oil change(I know, I know  ). I have read http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html twice. I will read it again to see if I missed anything as it is quite technical and I haven't found the cliff notes version yet
Can you at least tell me if putting either of these types is "not" recommended by Porsche? 10W40 (highmilage) or 5W40 (turbo diesel truck). these are the only two W40 that my local small town stores have. If not I will not ask again.
Again thanks for all your hard work on the subject. I just wish we didn't live in such a ligitious society!!
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07-26-2009, 06:06 PM
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Quote: "Not happening in the 21st Century.. "
Posted by Jake Raby.
Jake, Jake, Jake. Not in the 21st Century?? Well...I think I speak for most of us here when I say motor oil information divulged in 2100 won't do most of us any good at all!
As a former lawyer (I got tired of dealing with other lawyers, many of which are absolute pains in the butt to deal with, so I got out of the business...though I have to admit: they are an interesting crowd to have a beer with), I KNOW that, when it comes to defamation, libel, etc, TRUTH is an absolute defense.
Why don't you just make available RESULTS from tests of the various motor oils you've tested?? You don't have to make any recommendations per se. With black and white test results, reported in an unbiased manner, we can reach our own conclusions as to which motor oil to choose.
You can even have your own lawyers (I'm sure you have a team of them on retainer at all times for dealing with just such issues, Right?) draft up some sort of disclaimer to toss into the mix, to create yet another barrier to liability.
Whaddaya say, Jake? We're thirsty for reliable info! Toss us a bone here Jake!
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07-26-2009, 07:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
information divulged in 2100 won't do most of us any good at all!
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Actually the 21st century started Jan 1, 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century
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07-26-2009, 07:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timothy
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actually 2100= 22nd century. frodo was correct in stating that info in the 2100/22nd century won't help us. Jake stated he wouldn't tell us in the 21st century meaning he will tell us in the 22nd century(which I doubt).
So +1 for Frodo
I hope this is all clear now, and we can get back to what frickin oil to use.
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07-26-2009, 08:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mptoledo
actually 2100= 22nd century
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Nice try but unfortunately incorrect. Much like the 21st century stared Jan 1, 2001, the 22nd century begins on Jan 1, 2101. The entire year 2100 is still in the 21st century.
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07-26-2009, 09:28 PM
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Quote: "Nice try but unfortunately incorrect. Much like the 21st century stared Jan 1, 2001, the 22nd century begins on Jan 1, 2101. The entire year 2100 is still in the 21st century."
Posted by timothy.
Hey, thanks for pointing that out fella. Whether it's 2100 or 2101, we'll all be dead in any case, which was basically my point. Next time I'm in the market for some entirely useless trivia, I'll give you a call...
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07-27-2009, 06:18 AM
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