Fabspeed bypass pipes

[chitowndad]

Well son of a gun, there's one on ebay now but it's for 03-06 and looks a little used...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-06-Porsche-Cayenne-S-Cat-Bypass-Pipes-Fabspeed_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c6 6Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c 293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhash Zitem220373740605QQitemZ220373740605QQptZMotorsQ5f CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting

o wait that's for a Cayene...

[ChrisZang]

Originally Posted by Blue-S

The 2000 and newer Boxsters are Low Emissions Vehicle (LEV) certified -- not just in California, but all US-specification Boxsters. Presumably due to their (relatively) low sales volumes, Porsche certified all Boxsters to meet California emissions regs. So, that's why the 2000+ Boxsters have pre-cats in the exhaust manifolds and the main cats in the mid pipe.

Hmmmm,

so I have two options:
a) replace 2nd ("main") cats with bypass pipes
b) replace pre-cats + headers with "hi-flow" headers w/o cats and relocate O2 sensor behind main cat

In your opinion which scenario has a higher chance to pass smog in CA?
Please note that I already went with option a

[Blue-S]

Originally Posted by ChrisZang

Hmmmm,

so I have two options:
a) replace 2nd ("main") cats with bypass pipes
b) replace pre-cats + headers with "hi-flow" headers w/o cats and relocate O2 sensor behind main cat

In your opinion which scenario has a higher chance to pass smog in CA?
Please note that I already went with option a

That's a good question. I bought my car in Jan 2009, and as such the prior owner had it smogged at a "corner garage" in Carlsbad...so I haven't seen a Boxster in the process of being smogged. I think that passing smog would depend on two factors:

1. The experience and work ethic of the smog inspector: If the inspector really knows Boxsters, then they will notice that your 2000+ Boxster only has the pre-cats but not the main cats. The VECI label inside the rear trunk mentions only that the car has 3-way catalysts, but it does not list how many. I have asked several techs and they tell me that the smog computer also does not list how many cats are supposed to be on the car. The main cats are much easier to see (vs the pre-cats) when bending down and looking under the rear of the car while it is parked. However, the pre-cats can be clearly seen when looking at the bottom of the engine, peeking in front of the rear wheels. Since many late-model cars have close-coupled cats (built into the exhaust manifold), I imagine that the bypass pipes would not look suspicious on a 2000+ Boxster as long as the pipes look stock. That presumes an inspector that doesn't know Boxsters well...

2. The composition of the pre-cats: I do not know for sure, but I suspect that the pre-cats are an oxidation "light-off" type of catalyst. If that is true, then there is a risk that your car might not pass the sniffer test - possibly failing due to excessive NOx. This could happen because (I think) the main cats are the 3-way type that oxidizes (burns) HC to produce CO2 & H2O, combines CO with O2 to make CO2 and reduces NOx to N2 and O2. I suspect that the engine management system (DME) controls HC and CO pretty well, but that good NOx control at light load would rely heavily on a properly functioning 3-way cat. For more detail on 3-way catalyst operation, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter

Please let us know what happens when you go in for a smog check!

[jmatta]

Thankfully, we don't deal with any of this in Illinois. Our emissions check is simply looking for fault codes in the OBDII system; if none exist, you pass.

[SeattleBoxers]

I installed a set from Stebro on my 2000 S last year.

They cost less than Fabspeed's and they were easy to install.

The exhaust sounds better and the car seem to have gained some power.

The only downside is, if the engine is not fully warmed up, the exhaust will make some popping/backfire sounding types of noises when the throttle is lightly blipped coming off of idle. Not a big deal though...

Here's a photo that shows the test pipes laying next to the secondary cats.

[ekam]

Originally Posted by SeattleBoxers

I installed a set from Stebro on my 2000 S last year.

They cost less than Fabspeed's and they were easy to install.

The exhaust sounds better and the car seem to have gained some power.

The only downside is, if the engine is not fully warmed up, the exhaust will make some popping/backfire sounding types of noises when the throttle is lightly blipped coming off of idle. Not a big deal though...

Here's a photo that shows the test pipes laying next to the secondary cats.

Those are not mandrel bent pipes, which explains why they cost less.

[chitowndad]

What was the price of the Stebro and where did you buy it?

-Steve

[jmatta]

Looking at the pics, I notice the Fabspeed pipes are larger in diameter. I'll have to measure mine when I have a moment.

[SeattleBoxers]

Originally Posted by chitowndad

What was the price of the Stebro and where did you buy it?

-Steve

I'm out of town on business right now, so I don't have the receipt handy.

I think they were around $300 something and I bought them directly from Stebro in Canada.

www.stebro.net

PS: Their service can be notoriously bad. I had to call several times to find out when the pipes were going to ship, before I got them.

[edevlin]

"Total cost - a whopping $4795

Total HP gains - 229 stock
241 w/ headers & sport cats
245 w/ BMC (good value - 4hp for about 100 bucks)
247 w/ EVO (not a good value whatsoever)
252 w/ ecu reflash and all above hardware installed

Total Gains - a whopping 23 hp
Total price per hp - just under 210 bucks each"


Hey, thats quite a deal, my intake, chip and full exhaust ended costing around 7K and gave almost exaxtly the HP increase of the system above. That means it cost me over 300 bucks/hp, yikes. Nobody has ever accused me of being especially clever, but I am having a pretty good time....

Ed

:dance:

[mts]

here are some of the Fabspeed pipes on the car...they are larger diameter than the Stebro ones.

[jmatta]

MTS, your picture is far better than mine. I could tell right away the Stebro's were a smaller diameter than the Fabspeed's.