Good Thread
 

This has been a good one....a little bit like real life...how weird is that on the internet?

I dont think there are many places where a MS6 couldnt out run a 986 Boxster or a 987 non S Boxster. Track lap times of Mazdaspeed 6's are better than 986 Boxster S in many track comparisons and they run up there with M3's. MS6 I have seen beat majority of street tire clad Boxsters in AX events. Event last year my 100% stock Mazda on street tires beat 28 of 32 boxsters at a PCA AX ...many were on DOT R tires. It deserves some respect. I have 80,000 miles of boxster driving and AXing under my belt so I do know the sissy of Porsches (Boxster) pretty well. I have driven 987 as well and the Mazda has some definite advantages. Mazda is much easier to throw into turns than Boxsters and it handles transitions very well. Boxster has advantage in slower turns where momentum can be maintained. Mazda is much nicer for commute as I can leave it in 6th gear and use huge low end torque to pull the car. Boxster requires two down shifts to produce similar power.

I appreciate both cars. Dont really understand the need to make Porsche seem like its the best performer? Boxsters have a variety of handling ills, but they are still nearly as nice as my MazdaSpeed 6.

I think he was trying to get ahead of you to enter the freeway, I see people doing that all the time on 2 lane ramps in my dad's Toyota Camry.

Best thing to do is to let them pass, even if you don't mind wasting gas your risking the other driver getting angry and started road rage, which is never pleasant.

A silly comparison really. Two completely different cars. I actually like the Mazdaspeed 6. Near German sedan performance for less than 30k. With all wheel drive it gets a great launch off the line. Decent handling and it looks nice and drives nice too.

Regularly outrun any seasoned Boxster at the track while dragging around 3600lbs?? Maybe if Scott Pruett is driving it. I'll look for you at Buttonwillow and Streets. I'll try and keep up in my worn out, 10 yr old underpowered car. Best single solo lap wins. Loser buys the steaks and beer. :)

One recent comparison:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45cafe93295ac&car2= 45c466ef99ff5

I don't understtand you posting here. If you own a Mazda and love to race the car, great. If you are fan of the car, great.

If you came here to denigrate the Boxster, not so great.

Also, calling Porsche drivers sissies is simply trying to start something.

Take your business elsewhere please.

Thank you.

:)

He's probably a disgruntled Solara driver :)

I didn't mean to start a multi page "street racing" thread. Sorry about that.

I'm a Boxster owner! :confused: I own a nice 1999 2.5 that I'm converting to a 3.4 so I dont get embarrassed by Japanese sedans on the track. I didnt call Porsche drivers sissies, I called the Boxster the sissy car of the Porsche world. Although new Boxster S with 3.4 motor is certainly much closer to a real performance car now. Dont get me wrong Boxster is a fine car almost as good a sports car as my 914 was, but all but the 987 S Boxster would be stomped by the Mazdaspeed 6 on big HP track.

I figured a ridiculous post about somone street racing a Solara was the perfect place to have a little fun. :cheers:

And for more giggles here is result from a PCA AX I drove the 100% stock MazdaSpeed 6. AX ...isnt that where Boxster should excel over a 3600 lb AWD sedan on street tires? Car in 17th place was the MS6. http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/htm/10-13-07candlestick.htm

Picture of the beast in action:

http://k53.pbase.com/g6/08/410008/2/...0.7pwwvYMd.jpg

My wife owns a Solara and I would never think about putting it up next to my Boxster S in a curve or off the line. Now when it comes to gas mileage or long distance comfort, the Solara wins every time. I guess that is why we drive it to work and are taking it on a 5 hour trip this weekend. Heck, I am glad we have the car. But that doesn’t mean I don’t love (and look forward to) my top down Sunday drives in the Porsche.

I'm confused, there are 2.7L and 3.2L Boxsters and a Cayman faster than you and then identical cars behind you. All I can gleen from this information is AX performance is heavily dependent on the driver, which I think we already understood.

So If I beat my mom in a K-car and she has a Lambo then the K-car is faster?
That the reasoning here that you are using.

I get it...

There was a modified 2.7 on DOT R tires a little over a second ahead of me with very good driver at the helm. Gleen at your hearts content. If the Mazda was such a terrible performer how on a long 70 second AX circuit was a "poor handling" car on street tires able to keep within a little over a second of the fastest Boxster on DOT R tires and modified suspension? ...Perhaps great low end power and outstanding handling of the MS6 gave me an advantage? Believe me it wasnt all driving.

Anyone who knows GGR AX series understands that top 20 isnt an easy feat in a well setup Porsche. For a street car to get into top 20 is impressive.

Sounds like someone has a case of penis envy.

Checking his link he also beat a 997 GT3 which ranked 54th... I bet you he waved his cock around that guy's face for 10 good minutes too.

Easy answer... DRIVER
I think you're giving waaaay too much credit to tires.
Like my mom driving a car with more horsepower... I would still beat her if she had 200 more.


Decent car+good driver= good
Better car+good driver=better
Bad car+good driver=good
Good car+bad driver=bad

Too much credit to tires? ...really? I like to think I have some expereince with running both street and DOT tires and I usually gain 2 seconds with DOT's. When I know a course is going to be fairly open I chose the Mazda 6 over the Boxster for AX becuase I know I can go much faster in the Mazda 6. Its also a kick to to show up in the wolf in sheeps clothing at Porsche events.

LOL! Guess all 30 of the Boxster and Cayman drivers at that event were slouches because even the 2 that beat the Mazda were not far ahead? Some of you guys are hilarious. Never understood the "Boxster is superior" mentality. Its a great car but it lacks good low end torque that is critical for track and AX driving on certain courses and in stockish form they understeer like pigs.

Superior Japanese engineering + Great low end torque + AWD traction - Average driver = Boxster beater

Mazdaspeed 6 also has several street class rally wins over cars you would typically expect to beat it.

The other nice thing about the Mazdaspeed 6 is that its not a mass produced car like the Boxster so you dont see many around. Nice to have some exclusivity when I'm cruising for the babes. Put some dope 20" wheels on the MS6 and CF hood and I'll be stylin.

http://www.patelnet.ca/albums/Custom...PD05.sized.jpg

Signed, Long John Silver. ;)

Dang. My S is more common than a Mazda and chicks won't dig it as much. Oh well. Reckon I'll trade the ill handling pig in... :(

I just picked up this cute little car in a trade. But it doesnt have cup holders? WTF?

A) How do you get the top down?

B) How do you lose the back seats? Reminds me too much of a mini van with all of those seats and doors.

Different Strokes
 

Hey Gearheads,

Without diversity, we would all be driving VWs! (at least the French would :p ) One could only guess what model we would be pokin'.

I haven't stopped smiling since I read post #1.....don't stop now.

Happy Trails,
Ike

P.S.: Never underestimate the potential of the Boxster S.

Agreee!!!
 

This has been a great thread.....I havent always liked or understood what is really going on but lots of passion and perhaps deception.

I think it was an idiotic thread. Funny way for a guy to introduce himself to a great board by talking out of both sides of his mouth. I have always appreciated the positive spirit, mature (mostly) humor,and true appreciation of what we have in common (our love of a great car). This started to feel a little like some juvenile ricer pissing contest.

Charger SRT8 vs 987S
 

"As an all-around performer, the 2006 Dodge Charger SRT8 is capable of awe-inspiring numbers unheard-of in a muscle sedan: 0-60 mph in around 5 seconds, quarter-mile time in the 13-second range"

So an all-out American muscle car with an 6.1 liter hemi engine goes just as fast - but no faster - than my 2006 987S (for sissy, I guess) with a 3.2 liter engine - half the size.

Boxters can be fast.

Honestly some people are going to hold a poor opinion of the boxster no matter how good or quick it is simply because it's not a 911. You could have an 11 sec boxster and some people would still call it a chick car. A very fast chick car.

If you accept the Boxster for what it is and is not, it is a wonderful and gratifying experience to drive and own.

Now, if you define yourself by this car, or any other, you will always find something to find fault with.

There is no time for this nonsense, life is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to short for arguing about the innane.

:D

Like many I'm just a motorhead and like just about anything with a motor. I like all sorts of machinery especially motorcycles. Cars and bikes are like women. They're all different and beautiful in their own way. A way that performance and body stats can't capture.

For a daily driver, I like a top down ride cuz otherwise eventually everything feels like a Honda to me in the rush hour jam and town traffic. In bikes I like my harleys for a lot of reasons.

But I'll still admire other machines. Like the ZR1, GTR or Ducatti's. And the Accord. LOL

LB,

You've got the greatest avatars!! LMAO!!

I really havent found a Boxster yet that can beat a MazdaSpeed 6 in a quarter mile. Mazdaspeed 6 will take stock SRT8 most of the time too. I never found the SRT8 to be all that fast because it weighs what? 4200 lbs???? Damn I have driven trucks that weigh less than that. Stockish MS6 can beat most Vettes and Mustang Shelby GT500's off the line due to awesome torque low 1st gear and AWD draction. So lets say I'm lined up at a light to get onto an empty freeway and I pull up next to a 987 Porsche in panties. I dont even have to try to leave cute little boxster behind. Just a couple quick accelerations from 2500 to 5500 RPM and Boxster would be spanked. But why worry just put the top down and enjoy that fine German engineering also the knowledge that I could whip butt if I just had a twisty track in front of me does make me feel better. :D However seems sort of silly to me that a $25K car could spank a $50K sports car so badly, but guess thats not what sports cars are about. Us Boxster drivers share a lot in common with Miata drivers. Its not the speed its the motion. ...somthing like that. :D

More Mazdaspeed 6 mayhem for you doubters: :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XL6eJ_Kh34&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S7mHImu24o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOUU1Plrsp4&feature=related

And here's the video that we all just hope disapears. Never thought I'd see the day when a Hyundai out runs a Porsche. :barf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcBJe13rb8

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Please don't feed the troll.

LOL....yeah no ********************. But I have to say it's funny he says he owns a boxster yet bashes it?? That's a new one for me. He could've taken the dough he spent on that boxster and made that MS6 so mad/tight it would've been a Skyline GTR killer or something like that ;) Or....maybe he doesn't really own a boxster. I bet it's his dads or something :confused:

Bashing the Boxster? I think its as fun as my MS6 in many ways and the top comes down. You havent even got me started on my 350Z Roadster. That car is fun too, makes decent power and the top comes down just like the Boxster. ...and the 350Z is easier to drift! :cheers:

It would take more than $10K to turn a MS6 into a Skyline GTR killer. And why waste money on the MS6 that already is capable out of the box when I could put it into Boxster that really needs some help? On second thought maybe the MS6 can beat a Skyline GTR out of the box. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjYY7A4nfY

Old 986 Boxster is good cheap fun! Nice car to run to the grocery store with the top down etc. It reminds me a lot of my wifes old Miata great balance but not much power. Dont worry once I'm finished with the Boxster project while it may look like a Barbie mobile it will be faster than my Mazda. Boxster platform appears to be a sufficient base to build a real performance car. I really want a car that I can take to drifting school eventually. ;)

Ok. I am tired of you.