Boxster Killer?

[Brucelee]

Here is a rule on price.

Supply AND demand.

It IS that simple.

[lexuspilot]

When someone asks what kind of car I drive, I say "Porsche"....that's it.

Who wants to say "Honda, but it's a S2000, know what that is? It doesn't share components with other hondas, and it outnumbers the other cars at my SCCA"

or "Volkswagon, but it's not a wagon, it's a roadster...I mean it's not a bug or a jetta it's a mid-engine roadster". I feel worse for the Phaeton folks, they can't even say what price they paid to make it more credible.

I never hear a Porsche owner qualify his purchase. There are other nice cars, but in other ways.

[No_Name]

Originally Posted by lexuspilot

When someone asks what kind of car I drive, I say "Porsche"....that's it.

Who wants to say "Honda, but it's a S2000, know what that is? It doesn't share components with other hondas, and it outnumbers the other cars at my SCCA"

or "Volkswagon, but it's not a wagon, it's a roadster...I mean it's not a bug or a jetta it's a mid-engine roadster". I feel worse for the Phaeton folks, they can't even say what price they paid to make it more credible.

I never hear a Porsche owner qualify his purchase. There are other nice cars, but in other ways.

That's OK b/c not everyone needs to be a "brand-whore." You see, some people enjoy a car for what it truely is, not how it reflects upon you. Those are the people that I'd like be associated with and be friends with. Sadly, your notion typifies many sports car owners nowaday.

[Lux]

Whoa there. Let's not get all high and mighty calling people brand whores. Just go to the S2K website and do a search on "boxster". You see people ragging on the Boxster and claiming the superiority of the S2K (facts...Boxster < S2K < Boxster S). I'd say that's a bit of brand whoring on their part...no?

And your claims of every S2K driver knowing how to drive stick...that's a bit of bull**************** pride. And seeing more S2K's at the autocross? BFD. Maybe more Boxster owners prefer the track to driving around in parking lots.

Here's the bottom line...the S2K is being discontinued even with a modest price of $30K. Meanwhile, the Boxster continues to sell. Maybe Honda should've came out with automatics so they can continue to sell cars. Interestingly, what are the 2 cars that don't sell well at Honda? NSX and S2K. Does Honda not know how to make a sports car?


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[No_Name]

Originally Posted by Lux

Whoa there. Let's not get all high and mighty calling people brand whores. Just go to the S2K website and do a search on "boxster". You see people ragging on the Boxster and claiming the superiority of the S2K (facts...Boxster < S2K < Boxster S). I'd say that's a bit of brand whoring on their part...no?

And your claims of every S2K driver knowing how to drive stick...that's a bit of bull**************** pride. And seeing more S2K's at the autocross? BFD. Maybe more Boxster owners prefer the track to driving around in parking lots.

Here's the bottom line...the S2K is being discontinued even with a modest price of $30K. Meanwhile, the Boxster continues to sell. Maybe Honda should've came out with automatics so they can continue to sell cars. Interestingly, what are the 2 cars that don't sell well at Honda? NSX and S2K. Does Honda not know how to make a sports car?
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Read enough on the S2K board and you’ll find at least 5 praises for every 1 criticism for the Boxster. The criticisms are generally about the cost, not the car itself.

FYI The SCDA events I mentioned are road course track events. They run on NHIS, LimeRock, and Watkins Glen. Just about everyone there – F-guys, P-guys, Vette-guys – are great people and a joy to chat with. Maybe most Porsche folks race within their own PCA circle, I don’t know.

S2000 is not being discontinued. I don’t know where you learn that rumor from. They sell just about as many units as Boxsters each year even without AT. They are not the hot items they once were, but they are doing OK.

[Lux]

Read enough on the S2K board and you’ll find at least 5 praises for every 1 criticism for the Boxster. The criticisms are generally about the cost, not the car itself.
Your ratios are screwed. It's more like 5 to 1 against. I've read s2ki plenty.


FYI The SCDA events I mentioned are road course track events. They run on NHIS, LimeRock, and Watkins Glen. Just about everyone there – F-guys, P-guys, Vette-guys – are great people and a joy to chat with. Maybe most Porsche folks race within their own PCA circle, I don’t know.
Exactly. You don't know. Yet that didn't stop you from insinuating that there's less Porsches running due to having more poseurs. And flat out claiming that there's "no blonde bimbos" driving S2K's, again insinuating owners are poseurs. Guess what...? Nobody F'in cares. Bottom line is the Boxster S is a superior car to the S2K. Bimbo or not.


S2000 is not being discontinued. I don’t know where you learn that rumor from.
I guess I know your car better than you. That "rumor" is mentioned more often than not on s2ki. Why don't you give me the info on the new gen S2K then? Surely they have something in the works? However, I'm sure you won't be able to produce anything. The '06 model year, if there is one, will be exactly like every previous gen. That's forever in Japanese car cycle. I'm guessing the NSX is the longest running generation ever. Even the Corvette has changed since then. OUCH!


They sell just about as many units as Boxsters each year even without AT. They are not the hot items they once were, but they are doing OK.
Porsche is a boutique car maker. They deal with low volumes by having higher prices. An S2K that only sells in the 20K volume range at $30K is a failure for a manufacturer like Honda.

And by the way, stop pretending you own a midengined car. A "front-midengine" is a marketing term. The only real midengined configuration that matters is when the engine is behind the driver.

Every S2K owner I've met has had this cocky attitude like 120hp/L means something. And every one that I've ran has gotten their ass kicked, even in my old E36 M3.

Oh, but the S2K is a great car. I'm not trying to Honda bash.




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[No_Name]

Originally Posted by Lux

[b][i]

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I live on S2Ki. I know what’s said there about the Boxster. What made you think I ordered a MY05 BS for 6/05 delivery? Believe me, they sing to your praises. And yes, BS is better than S2000. I don’t believe I even hinted otherwise in all my posts.

Whoa! It was someone else that claimed S2000 outnumbered Boxster at SCCA 10:1. I said the ratio here is less than that here in both auto-x and track events. Then I corrected someone else who suggested the ratio is skewed due to there are “millions” of Honda, when in fact there are less S2000’s than Boxster’s on the road. Then I said I’ll leave it up to him to figure out why that is.

You believe the rumors running on that board? There probably won’t be a 2nd gen. S2000. Even if there was, no one would know about it b/c Honda keep info tightly sealed. I’ll bet you dinner though that there will an MY06, and then I’ll bet you dinner again there will be an MY07 S2000.

I don’t understand why you think your statement about the NSX would hurt me though, as I am not particular to any one brand. I just buy the best car I can afford.

And FYI the plan for S2000 was 5,000 units/year for US. It ballooned to what it is due to stronger demand than expected. Shortage in the first year drove its price up to 10k over MSRP in some areas such as Socal and Seattle/Redmond areas. I can’t say Honda is disappointed with its success.

“The only real midengined configuration that matters is when the engine is behind the driver.” See, this is exactly the kind of statements that makes me go, “hmmm…”

See, if more S2000's were sold, there would be guys like the one ealier that says something to the effect of, "I'd rather have a more limited production car," as if it would be somehow better. They don't sell 20k units/yr and here comes you saying Honda is somehow incompetent for not selling more. Can't win.

[kajita]

i use to own a 350z touring, got friends who owns Z's, S2000, 996, M3's, WRX and so fourth. as you can see its a variety of cars and we all love what we drive. we all sit and bash each others cars for fun and get a kick out of it. but at the end of the each bashing nights with a cold one in our hands, we always end up complimenting each others cars for what they stand for and what it is capable of $ for $. so i dont think when we say "i drive a Porsche", we are brand-whores, we are the furthest thing fromit. we, box owners are probably the most loyal, anal, maticulous, automibile owners out there. we're just proud of what we have and drive even after spending ton of $$ for litronics, clear tail lights, MAF, the list goes on. but most importantly, all of my friends, after complimenting each others cars, they say, "shoot, i would rather drive your porsche anyday".
do you (No Name) think i will ever tell my friends who drives a kick ass wrx, S2000, Supercharged Z's that will do circles around my box that "I would rather have your car anyday"....????
i dont think that day will come anytime soon cuz i am already planning for a 2007 987. so buddy, you gotta love what you drive, dont matter if it is hand made, separate plant, etc, etc,...
I got a 2000 box, 3x black, been rear ended, but i still love that thing like you would not believe....... it completes me.

[No_Name]

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest Boxster owners are brand-whores.

But you got to admit, anyone who says this:
"When someone asks what kind of car I drive, I say "Porsche"....that's it.

Who wants to say "Honda, but it's a S2000, know what that is? It doesn't share components with other hondas, and it outnumbers the other cars at my SCCA"

... certainly does sound like one.


Current MY00 S2000 owner
MY05 BS owner in 6/05

[No_Name]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

Here is a rule on price.

Supply AND demand.

It IS that simple.

LOL Com'on Rich, you know that's fairy-tale textbook stuff that they teach to freshmen. We all know the bean-counters and marketing folks predetermined the product, supply, and price, and then hope their predicted demand will follow suit. Your concept holds true if demand exceeds supply/price. If demand is below supply, the "sticky price" effect had cause a company to go bankrupt (a la Porsche in late early 90's) and still price won't reach an equilibrium w/ supply and demand.

The 987 and 997 are truely great cars, and will no doubt bolster Porsche's brand name and pocket book. I hope I don't come across as a Porsche basher.