Uh Whaaa?
 

So you locked my thread, were rude, inconsiderate of my feelings (oh whatever, the girl he was gonna marry ruined his life), and you make me out to look like a sympathy whore. I did not look for sympathy and I never implied I wanted any. I merely stated what happened and the events leading up to that. Ive contributed a whole lot of information to this site and I get called "some guy"...

The nerve... So this will be my exit. Ive met plenty of good people through here and learned a lot, but I dont see myself sticking around anymore. So you can delete my account since there isnt an option anywhere for me to do it myself.

Here is the picture I took of the spot in question on my return trip home to show my side of the story. I was ahead of him by 3 cars at the beginng of the no pass zone, and when I crested the hill I was ahead of him by a foot. The cones were only a few hundred feet away.

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Dude don't leave.

C'mon Bogg. You don't take your toys and go home over that. We were having a discussion and Bruce shut it down. That's his prerogative. You disagree with his choice of words. You're pissed. You have a lot of **************** going on right now. I get it, but delete this post and forget it. You're bigger than that.

yeah man, dont leave, you contribute a lot here and we like you around here.

are you sure youre not leaving couse ure a poser? :D

Grizz is right man, we all come on here to talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly. We don't have to always agree with each other to call each other "cyber" friends. This is a good sight and it has a nice backbone. Don't sweat the thread being deleted, it was going off course anyway (I'm guilty).

Have a drink, go to bed, wake up happy and stick around.

Yeah, Bogg, what they said goes for me too. (And, I suspect, the majority of the forum members.)

i agree with what everyone has said here esp. Grizz :cheers:

Bogg,

I'll add my vote for you staying around. We have all had women do crazy things to us, no one here will look at you any different for blowing up and staying part of us.

I mean man we already lost that guy in MN we dont need to lose you too.

Gary

Bogg, having been going through something very similar for the past few months, I imagine that this has a lot to do with how you're feeling. Very few people can understand or remember how something like this feels at the very moments they were going through it. Because of that, most people just end up making comments and giving their advice from the perspective of someone who is long past it. In other words, they'll say things like "plenty of fish in the sea", or "you'll get over it", or "don't worry about it". As I've stated, I'm going through something very similar to you, and I realise that those things can often only serve to make you feel like others are belittling your situation and that they don't understand. I also know that the whole thing can leave you on edge, irritable, miserable and feeling either hopeless or that the deck is completely stacked against you (e.g., your comment about nothing going your way since the incident with your girl).

My point is that I DO understand how you're feeling, and I can also relate to the fact that you said your only real enjoyment and happiness lately is coming from your car. At times like these, you need embrace whatever makes you happy and make the most of it. I think that also includes participating here with others who enjoy their cars just as much as you do. You're entitled to vent, and sometimes people don't realise your frustrations and comments can be amplified by your situation. Try not to let the thread being locked bother you, and also just try to be a little more aware of how your personal feelings can affect your comments or actions as you work through this time in your life.

Feel free to shoot me a PM or an e-mail if you ever feel like it too. But stick around. :cheers:

Frankly, I was surprised to see that thread shut down. Very odd use of one's power, especially when it didn't violate the other Richard's rules for the board which seem to be conveniently ignored when it comes to political views on global warming.

However, I don't own the forum and the golden rule applies here. He who has the gold makes the rules.

Don't leave the forum. I enjoy your participation!

One of the reasons for revolt is the misuse of power. I still don't understand how, with rule #4 in place, the Global warming post is still up. There are things that interest all of us which do not violate any of the posted rules except #4, and we get tossed. I will miss the man as the forum is the sum of all who are active, but he must feel that a statement must be made. What about a boycott of sponsors products till a fairer hand is in charge.

:eek: Now you're bucking for this thread to get shut down too! :eek:

example: My Non-Porn thread

Or insult a country but not the jerks doing the insulting :confused:

Bogg you're OK :cool:

hey, joe torre is the greatest, you have to admitt he is classy (opinion) worthy of starting a thread....

hey Joe Torre sucks (differing opinion) not of the founding fathers, worthy to brand all those in favor immature and locking the thread :D

too bad bogg, personally I stopped following the thread as it was going nowhere and I do agree with Mr Lee that everyone breaking the law and taking shots at the cops was uncalled for.......just don't cry wolf...come or go I say....otherwise this thread is a waste of time and your voice...

now I have to go back and read about the big global warming debate.....zzzzz.....zzzzz....zzzzz....zzzzz....zz zzz..... :cheers:

Dude dont leave

Bogg, there are hundreds of reasons to stay part of the Forum. Don't let one member ruin it for you. He may be the co-owner, but he does not make this Forum what it truly is, it is the hundreds of active members that make this site worthwhile.

Ignore.

And rise above.

I would not like for this forum to shut down, that was not my motive for saying what I did. I enjoy many things about it. Like me, though, it is not perfect. To have a single person who will not allow any disagreement with his thoughts, see Joe Torre--and YES I did play pro ball for awhile, or that same someone who disregards his own rules, see rule#4 and Global Warming Debate, be the censor is one of the problems which the forum has. There is no rule stating that road racing is not allowed, but it gets removed and the poster is chastised. The one thing that brings us all to this forum is our love of our cars. When this many people get together there are bound to be groups of people with similar tastes and others who dislike those same things. As long as people are respectful of others ideas , and the forum is not used for unlawful purposes what difference does it make what the threads deal with as long as the basic premise is a group of P-Car owners getting together to shoot the ********************. Ed

Well, my account hasnt been deleted yet so I figure I will let you guys know im still alive. I may be taking a stand against the power, and it will be futile, but I will be happier for myself. It sucks, but sacrifices are hard for a reason. As far as boycotting the sponsors, I dont care. I just dont want to be belittled and treated as a number. So if thats true it wont matter that im gone. If we are such a tight knit community (which we are) how come the co-owner seems to not even like this job. Seems silly to me, and it definitely shows on the forum. Having moderators on a site this big would at least allow some equality in views. But alas.

"The people shouldnt fear the government, its the government that should fear the people." Oh how untrue that has been in the past several years.

Farewell.

Jon

P.S. Robert, Im giving you control of the FB group.

Dare I ask... Wha happened?

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Look, people are going to frequently disagree with one another on a website or in real life. I know I do -- sometimes I post it, too.

Bruce happens to be a owner (or co-owner, I really don't know what the situation is nor do I feel it is important one way or the other) and what people have to understand is that he does have authority to do as he sees fit -- much like George Steinbrenner does with the Yankees. You can agree, disagree even hate the choices somebody makes, but when it all is said and done, this site is his site (or co-his site). I've often disagreed with him, some of you and some other members who don't seem to frequent this site much anymore. Sure, sometimes a thread gets locked down before you can get the last word in (or an owner decides what the last word will be), but I chalk that up to his right -- as an owner. This is not a democracy. I accept that. In the grand scheme, I'm not losing any sleep about getting in the last word on an internet forum.

What I don't understand is all this drama about people declaring that they are going. I'm not specifically trying to pick on anyone as this is a recurrring theme on this forum (and others) -- people get frustrated curse out the owner or another member(s) and perform a swan song. Why not just PM the owner (or the offending member) and try to find common ground? My guess is that the result will be the same as whatever you hope to get out of this thread. Seriously, if this group is as tight-knit as implied, I'm sure you have each other's email and can let your "friends" know what's what. Alternatively, you can just leave and start your own website and see how well you'll fare. On a personal note, I find my life too busy and important to do that myself, so I'll continue to abide by the rules of others, or find another forum. :D Viva capitalistas!

Clif notes:

(i) bogg got a ticket and was pissed
(ii) people either sided with him ("cops suck") or against ("don't rag on cops"); some inferred name calling
(iii) some comments were made about the merits of relationships
(iv) Bruce closed the thread
(v) This thread was bourne. Jason-Bourne Style.

dont leave bogg your a great contributor here :)

I'd mod this post waaay up. Well said.

'kin ell people.

Dude you dont want to leave the site plus you would end up floating in and regretting it in the future. Memories are always short dude, i dont know your pain with the girl hurting you but woman man, they can explode any guys life up.

Remember its an internet site so dont take it to heart, its all peoples opinions from every walk of life. Everyone looks at everything differently from each other and the more experienced guys would think 'its only a girl' my dad would, and we one day will, 'you' will, plus in 6 months you wont even remember properly what she looks like.

my 2 cents are your a single guy with a freekin Porsche,

relax and enjoy kid!!!

James

I don't blame Bogg a bit for bailing, hell I've done it twice! haven't any of you guys ever been that in love? The dudes a young man who has experienced betrayal at the highest level what does he get from you guys? A steaming plate of who cares, yet you want to be counted among his friends.

As for grizz, my family is all law enforcement at many different levels. I certainly agree that the officer will never sweat a tinted windows ticket or care about the disposition. Furthermore, only a young inexperienced man would cut off a cruiser, no matter how much brake lining it cost, Bogg should have tailed in behind. Challenge an officer's authuritay and lose everytime. It's clear the officer didn't want to make an issue of it or he could have issued higher citations.

For Grizz, and Rich (who likes to treat adults like children) to be all pompous about the integrity of the law is laughable. Just like Jagger said, every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

Finally, if this lil diatribe gets me banned that's ok too, I needed a piece of data and I have it now. It's too bad this BB is a drama look at me club, occasionally there is an important nugget of technical truth but you have to cipher through the pomposity first.


PS read my name backwards.

Its a forum. Nobody really knows anyone here. Let him go!! He'll probably find a better site with less ********************ing and moaning, and get back to the real topic...Porsches!!! Man, give me a break....(please dont go, we love you, boo-hoo!!!) Car guys? Yeah right!! Oh by the way...I'm a cop.

Oh man......you haven't been on here long enough.

Many board members routinely hang out.

Oh that's rich. Now my mind is churning as to which ex-forum member you are!

wow got some fish on the hook!! like children!! not an ex-member. Just dont take this as seriously as some, and come here for the tech, not the nonsense and crying.

Best name on the forum, dude! :cheers:

Hey, don't get me wrong. Most often (well, to be fair, nearly always) I side with law enforcement, but I'm not even going to pretend that all cops are good. Law enforcement is a microcosm of society. I've seen it all. Good cops, bad cops, crazy cops, scared cops, racist cops, sexist cops, you name it. Look at this douche Sergeant who just killed his wife. Now they've finally figured out that he probably killed his last wife too. Gee, really? If you expect me to defend him or the Investigators who missed the first homicide, that's not going to happen. But...what we get mostly here on the forum is stories about how the cop was a jerk because he caught me doing something stupid. No, he wasn't a jerk. You screwed up and he caught you. He was doing his job; the task assigned to him. Today, he was doing his job of catching you better than you were doing your job of not being caught. Period. Traffic enforcement may not be your vision of priority police work, but it's part of his job. What people fail to realize is that there is very little emotional buy-in for a cop writing a traffic ticket. Cops get emotionally invested in child abuse cases, rapes, homicides and other incidents where people have been victimized. Traffic tickets? Whatever. It means very little to the cop; another piece of the job and another slip of paper. The violator on the other hand, is very emotionally involved. He's mortified because he's been stopped. There's going to be a fine. There may be court. His insurance may be affected. Because the violator is emotionally invested, he wants the cop to be as well. Bogg just compained the other day, because the Troopers who stopped him were laughing during the stop. They weren't laughing at him, just laughing in general. So? Because you're upset they should be too? Now on the other hand, if the cop is firm or rigid, he's a jerk. If he is sarcastic...oh my God!!! Have you ever considered that if you weren't caught screwing up you wouldn't have to be talking to this sarcastic jerk in the first place?

Here's a certainty. Be ****************ty to a cop and you're going to get it right back. For an entire career, nearly everyone a cop encounters is at their absolute worst. People call the police when their lives have just spun wildly out of control. People don't call 911 to say "Hi Officers. I'm having a wonderful day. Just thought I'd let you know". People call the police when something terrible has happened to them; something they cannot possibly handle on their own. Consequently, the overworked dispatchers are nasty to the cops; the victims are nasty to the cops; the witnesses are nasty to the cops; the bad guys, by definition are nasty to the cops...all day every day. Now after 20 or 30 instances of the same nastiness on every call for service, here you come, acting silly in your Porsche. How do you expect that's going to go? How about if you have a smart remark for the Officer when he approaches? Yeah, these guys put on a uniform every day. They've heard the professionalism speeches over and over, and are held to a "higher standard". At the end of the day however, they're still human beings. How do you act after taking **************** all day? All week? Twenty years?

I do take exception with the argument that for every one doing a good job there are two who aren't. There are plenty of poor performers out there, but for the most part, Police Officers really are trying to do the right thing. They may not do it the way you'd like it done, or the way I'd like to see it done, but they try. On 9/11, there weren't any stories of guys running away, only stories of guys running in. How many guys do you know who would willingly die to help total strangers?

By the way, I'm not exactly a cop. I'm most like a cop, but not.

+1 nicely said.

Great post Grizz. I have a very good friend that's an ATF agent. He loves his job, but often describes the same situations you mentioned. - in fact you two sound like you could be related!!

We are. ;)

I couldnt have added or said it better myself. Grizz hit every point every police officer has gone through in his or her career. Lastly, if a police officer is accused of something, its the only proffesion where he/she is guilty until proven innocent. Dont shoot until shot at, use just the right amount of force, and only escalate if necessary...etc. If a doctor, lawyer, or whatever was pulled over drinking and driving....life goes on, pay your fine, get a restricted license, some court time, and maybe with a good lawyer, you get off. A police officer is suspended right away, no pay, (and rightly so) but even before his hearing, trial, whatever, he is guilty. Get into a shooting, and the great Rev. Al Sharpton is at your doorsteps with protesters. Guilty until proven innocent. A doctor can kill someone by negligence during an operation, and he only gets sued. His insurance pays for it, and he continues practicing. O.k. enough ranting.

This is the third thread in 2 days to turn to good/cop bad cop. Just throwing that out there.

Grizz,


Great post, please understand that I respect what you do,as I said most of my family is on the job. One thing about your post struck me though, it's when you talk about taking ********************. I work in healthcare, I take my fair share of public nonsense too, key difference is when someone pisses me off I can't take them to jail. As my brother likes to say "there goes a rolling pile of probable cause" or hey look at the rear view mirror they have the "felony forest" going on. Piss off an officer of the law and they will find plenty of ways to get you a night in the ironhouse. As you said correctly, every orgainization is a microcosm of the nation we live in, which means it is an amalgam of good & bad perfomers. My peeps never hassle polite respectful people who show genuine remorse, roll the window down and say why the hell did you pull me over and the tables turn quickly.

I think Bogg is a good dude and I have sympathy for him, my future ex wife (never did marry her thank god) did the same thing. When it first happens it's a real ********************slap, in time he will heal and thank god for the devine intervention.

This forum is great for information, and most of the guys are cool. It does have it's moments where favoritism allows public debauchery, hence my new name..

peace out fellow Porsche lovers, I'd love to show you guys my ride but even that has to be approved apparently.

What is with all of the drama and juvenile behavior around here with some of these posts? It is really diminishing the quality of the community IMHO.

Lately for some reason, I feel like I am checking on a ricer board with all of this "avoid the law - I cannot believe I got caught, get me out this" and "I got out of my ticket, what a dumb cop" & "I am going to leave this place/don't leave we like you" & "I just lost my cheating GF" rambling. - It is just really juvenile.

Perhaps this is the "poser" activity that was commented on a few weeks ago.
Sadly, I find some of that view to be partially true and that is unfortunate.

I don't know...I've said before, I kinda like when the threads go way off course. I consider all of you guys friends. I do like to talk Porsches. Regrettably, my car doesn't leak, all the locks work, the CEL doesn't come on, no one has stolen my headlights...none of that stuff. Consequently, I don't have too much Porsche stuff to talk about. If I run it into a tree or something, you'll be the first ones to know. When I have information that someone can use, I certainly try to help by posting it. Otherwise, I enjoy when one member throws a chair at another, or someone wants to talk about their girl, their dog, the President, global warming...whatever. No matter how pissed I may appear to be at times, it's really only my writing style (except for in the case of that one member who's no longer here). I have staff at work to edit my memos before they're sent, so I don't start WWIII...and they never let me go to meetings alone. I'm apparently a lot less diplomatic in person. I realize this is a Porsche forum, but how much Porsche stuff is there really to talk about? Like many others, I visit every day, sometimes several times a day. Can we not be a group of friends with like interests, who discuss lots of stuff? I thought that was what the lounge was for. Maybe I'm way off base as this is the only forum I actively participate in. Should I be going to 40 different forums each day to talk about each one of my interests , or to read about the interests of others? Currently, I'm incapacitated with a work-related injury and you guys are keeping me from shooting myself. So...am I wrong, or what? That's a real question 'cause I really don't know the answer.

Not speaking on behalf of an owner(s), I don't think you're wrong. Additionally, I really don't mind that threads go off target because how much can all this collective "we-own-a-Porsche-aren't-we-cool-and-everyone-else-isn't-(except-for-those-tiptronic-owners-who-don't-know-what-a-real-Boxster-experience-is)" back-patting can one take? :o


The arguing and whining is often humorous and provides a pleasant distraction from work. Granted, I may go to a few other forums during the course of the day and if that isn't your cup of tea Griz, I understand there is a lot of pr0n and hilarious youtube videos on da interwebz with which to occupy yourself. :D