Why don't we let MNBoxster alone, that thread is ancient history.

And, what is a poser again? I get that all the time in the HD world. It seems the REAL HD guys don't like posers, whatever that means? :D

I'm with Brucelee, I don't get what the poser thing is about. Then again, I didn't read the PSM thread.

I agree with DJ, it seems there may be more detailed technical step by step responses on another board and I do see some of the same names there.

I don't read or post there much. I do come here evryday and my post count shows I don't post much. I know hardly anything about the Boxster still.

What I enjoy is reading post from people who love this car. It is one of the most friendly, easy going forums I've been on.

A BMW forum I was one was terrible. Name calling, every post was a bashing by the fully modded guys with a million post. Very nasty.

@rick3000, don't put words in my mouth or you're going to wear em. Your PSM post is exactly the kind of UN-helpful response to those looking for some insight.



@meerzee,

the 911 without doubt, is the higher performance model. Most 911 owners assuredly bought it for that reason. OTOH, the box is the lowest end Pcar, and I'm not so sure many here bought it for any other reason, i.e. mid engine, decent power, convertible design from the get-go,... etc.. The simple fact the vast majority of mods here consist of aesthetic rather than performance is clear enough.

It seems to me a fair amount bought it for "looks" and entry into the P-car fame. I do plan on 996/997 TT eventually, but the box will do for now. I may even keep the box if I can get some more power from it. Inherently I believe the box handles better than 911. Do I aspire for 911 because it was (enter CGT) the pinnacle of Porsche.... of course not, I want the power, and the back seats when the time comes. Also I do find the 911 forums more knowledgeable and more willing to mod their cars for performance.



First and foremost:

It's enormously appealing doing more with less, e.g. beating a 996 TT or GT3 around the track is a smokin accomplishment in a box. I would like that kind of performance. Hey I can dream :P. The lazy thinker says, "why don't you just go out and buy a GT3". No I don't think that HAS to be the case. I'll continue to hack.


Poser defined:

I hate misinformation. I would like to eradicate it. I am the type of person who will say I don't know something or I'll shut the f_ck up when I don't know. What is irritating, is a performance issue is being discussed and the poser group interjects with a veiled attempt at bolstering their own ignorance and pose as a performance oriented poster (better more skillful driver to do WITHOUT X,Y,Z). The result is a lot of noise, and the real issue is lost. All show, no go. MN boxster was famous for shooting down the merits of the S model because he owned a base.

In addition, I just do not see the same level of energy in seeking out performance as the pretty up posts. The poser is the box owner who talks like they're performance oriented yet prove to be about looks. That was MNboxster to a tee. He talked the talk, but when it came to walking, all he was worth was how to paint calipers. --Exactly what he had hypocritically dismissed--

To make this clear. I find nothing objectionable with the fuzzy dice, painted caliper crowd, if that is who you are. Own it. No big deal. I'd still help you out if I could. It's the "performance" mask I despise. Don't try and fool me into thinking you're about performance when you're not.




Having said all that, these are the type of statements that seem pervasive here.


Q: how can I get more HP from my car?

A: you can't really. it's a Pcar not a Vette. Stick to the factory design objective and live with it. It's a corner carver, not a dragster. Go away and get a Civic (Poor man's porsche snobbery peeking through)



Q: Are there any alternatives other than factory Porsche power?

A: take a driving course, in our infinite wisdom it will give you more Zen.



Q: is X option worth the price?

A: I never had X option, so I don't miss it, therefore neither will you. Those who have X option are inferior, because we do more with less.



Q: I want to mod my car beyond factory parts, what are my options?

A: You need to get a Civic, this is a Por-sche forum, we cater to tasteful imitations of Porsche's higher performance models, chiefly the front facia and brake caliper paint give most bang for the buck. We like the "look" and prestige of the higher models, but we don't want to pay full choke for it. We think we can palm it off and get 90% reaction for 10% the price.


In the end it's your ride, do what you want. I just want a little more honesty and open mindedness, that's all. Again, I fully appreciate we all have our differences and preferences. And I am in no way trying to assert my performance preference over your aesthetic ones, or establish some sort of "have vs. have not" elitism. I'm just tired of the posturing.

Sounds like Red Caliper Envy to me :D

If you hate us posers, hate our pretty for looks only interest, quit telling us about it and post elsewhere. I mean that in the honest most sincere way. Enough already.

First-this is the correct spelling POESUER

I think a good comparison would be a straight laced banker or lawyer who goes out and buys a bad ass Harley or chopper and tries to be a hard ass biker on weekends. Thinks he's HA because he's got a bike and leather vest.

As I recall the word originated back in the 80's around the time big hair bands were coming up. Many of these bands pretended to be hard core metal but were really pretty wimpy. Winger for example. In the context of this board I totally understand what boxterz is saying although I would defend anyones right to say whatever they like. At times the topics do go quite lame. Many are redundant and I think that the degree of some people to do anything on their own borders on the ridiculous. My personal pet peeve is when people use the word "twisties" to describe curved roads. I mean C'mon. Would you ever say this word in a conversation out loud ??? Sometimes I think there are too many unsolicited opinions. This is a discission board though sometimes I think it gets to be an opinion board and that is a little annoying to me. I think that this goes on at every board to some degree or another though it does seem to go on a little more here. I still read this board every day and do have ton of respect for most of the regular posters. Once in a while though I just gotta roll my eyes.

Firefox was invented so that you could open every thread you are interested in reading in thier own tab. That way you can close the ones you think are not to your liking. You might enjoy the board a litle more if you do this more often.

Overall you probably won't find a better auto board around. For sure not a better Porsche board.

Boxsterz, thank you for answering my questions ( and I am NOT being sarcastic ). I now understand your original post, and whether I agree or not is irrelevant. I do appreciate your opinion, and I hope you will continue to visit, post, and contribute here.

Thanks for the clarification,

Nick

Now I don't have to do I? Maybe you'd like a change yourself and do some growing up? :matchup:


BTW, I have Red calipers from the factory, can I envy something I already have? Doesn't make much sense, does it? Perhaps you're thinking of "jealousy". Now that might make sense, but I have no ill feelings should anyone want to paint their calipers, just that it seems a waste of time. But that's just me.

Before you go further into this battle of wits with me, I suggest you get a grip on your command of the english language. You can bet I mean that in the most sincere way :D Here I'll get you started:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/poser

@ boxsterz hilarious!


Q: Are there any alternatives other than factory Porsche power?

A: take a driving course, in our infinite wisdom it will give you more Zen.

Q: is X option worth the price?

A: I never had X option, so I don't miss it, therefore neither will you. Those who have X option are inferior, because we do more with less.

@ der Geitst...what chu talkin bout :matchup: 17 man, 17.....there's nothing wimpy about 17...lol

In the end it's your ride, do what you want. I just want a little more honesty and open mindedness, that's all. Again, I fully appreciate we all have our differences and preferences. And I am in no way trying to assert my performance preference over your aesthetic ones, or establish some sort of "have vs. have not" elitism. I'm just tired of the posturing.

Always beware of the man looking for more honesty, defined of course, by what he believes is the standard.

Again, the board is free for you to post, or not to, at your preference. I am sorry if we are not all up to your lofty standards, but we do what we can.


Your ego, on the other hand, may need to find another place to ply its trade.

So, lets move on and you can join us, or not!

:)

Agreed, your with us or against us.

One of us, one of us, one of us, one of us, one of us.

@ Boxsterz
It is very interesting how hypocritical you are being. You create this pointless, uninformative, and opinionated thread, then tell the entire forum to never post anything pointless or to give our opinion. But this entire thread is all about your opinion, and how you feel about us. There is no fact in this thread so perhaps you are just like us by your own standards posting pointless, opinionated things.

Forums are all about getting different opinions and ideas in response to a question. If I have a problem I need a creative solution to, multiple people could have the correct solution to my problem. I don't want to hear the person posting that it is impossible because Porsche didn't design so-so to do that, I want opinions and feedback.

Also, my PSM post may not have been, "correct," by your standards, but it gave you a basis to not only critize me but to also give others more insite into how you use PSM.

Cool Bruce. I respect it's your house. I'm grateful to be a guest here. Peace.

I vote for locking this thread!

Whos' with me? :D

^ I agree. Lets just be done with it.

You are truly a worthless excuse of a human being. Your arguments are incoherent and pointless at best. Then you question a person's sexuality. A person who you've never met or know nothing about. You're a crappy excuse of a troll even. Get a clue. You have some insecurities that a therapist might be able to help you with. And you have some weird obsessions about posers. Great, because someone gave you an answer about PSM that you didn't like. Seriously, go drive some cars and buy what you want. Then you can deal with your other issues. Until then, why not just go back under your rock and call it a day.
GDIAF!!! :barf:

Ruh Roh! Here we go again!

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boxsterz your an idiot. This is one of the best forums I post on. For example, the hummer forum I belong to the members say F U to each other everyday and insult people on a daily basis. That never happens here. We don't have idiots running around flaming people for no reason, and I've learned alot of tech stuff about my porsche here and also helped contribute.

have you noticed the performance aftermarket for the Boxster? Its nonexistent. Its a bit harder to "get more HP" from a Boxster. Dont chock it up the forum being a bunch of posers. Same goes for almost all performance mods and the rest of your questions. We dont have Greddy making FI kits for us like the s2000.

Entertainment at its finest

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And it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...

the lock is coming!

^ i didn't know Burberry caps were the latest hooligan fashion.

You're right - violence aside, this does sort of resemble an LL Bean ad.

Boxterz just doesn't get it yet. He says he is all about performance. He wants to do more with less.

Unmodified Base Boxters are already outrunning the Caymans, Boxter S, 911 Turbos, GT3's, every weekend with nothing more than a good set of tires and a little driving skill. Check your local PCA results. Highlander ran top 10 against about 400 other cars at the Porsche Parade. Insite regularly outruns everyone but the fully stripped and modified race cars in his area with only suspension mods.

This car is extremely capable in the hands of a skilled driver. Max performance is a lot more than HP on a dyno. In 10 years of production most highly modified Boxters never actually see track time. Get to the track. See what you got. Learn how to go faster. You may be very surprised.

So Boxterz, who is the Poser? Others will decide. I am new to competitive road racing. I have only been playing this game for 1 year. I do it just for kicks and grins. With 3 Auto-X and 3 track days I realize I have a lot to learn (still mid pack finishes). But I know racing... 6 years Motocross/Grand Prix (expert rating), 20 years Yacht racing (4th at the PMA World Championships). I have knocked handlebars with World Champions and swapped gelcoat with Olympic Medalists.

I have built and ridden highly modified racing motorcycles, sailed highly modified racing multihulls, and built some highly modified street muscle cars (63 Chevy Nova 327, 68 Chevelle 327). But this Boxter I choose to leave alone. Other than engine transplant, suspension and tires I have yet to see any mods that really improve the performance of this car around a track. I have no interest in street stoplight racing.

This is an open forum to exchange ideas. If you don't want others opinions, don't ask for them. If you don't like someones opinion, ignore it. If you only want opinions that agree with yours, it's time to take a hard look in the mirror.

Well said, nicely done.

Just to be clear, I was in no way threatening you with explusion. Again, I try to allow as much latitude as I can on most topics (save street racing, profanity, and too much sexual content).

So, hang in there and stay with us if that is your choice.

:)

OK guys, this was fun and unusual for such a group of intellectuals (me included) :D .

If there is no massive objection, I will close this thread in a bit.

Thanks and lets all be careful out there.

:)

yes please close this before it gets even worse than what it is.

did we even come to a conclusion at all?!

Before it's closed, I do have to say that I gained a lot of respect for this forum as a whole because of this thread. Well, gained isn't the right word, more like "reinforced."

Like others on here, I frequent a lot of car forums, and most of them come down to either personal attacks against everything with (very) few nuggets of knowledge wrapped in a majority of heritage questioning or an extremely dry technical board that reads like an instruction manual (boring). This is the only board I really visit every day, because I really like the people here and the conversation.

On either of the other types of forums, things like this eventually do get posted with very predictable results: The first type turns into a flamewar and 15 pages of people questioning the original posters' sexuality, while the second type just instantly deletes it as it's not related to purely technical issues.

This forum not only managed not to break down into a flame war (there were a few shots fired, but that's to be expected on a post of this nature) it actually lead into some real discussion.

So, regardless of the top at hand, :cheers: to all of you guys for keeping it largely civil, and to BruceLee (and unseen moderators/owners) for running a tight ship.

:cheers:

I like our group here and hope it stays just the way it is.

Posers and all.

My new license plate....POSER TT

I'm pretty sure I'm going straight to Hell for laughing hysterically at Thumper's post.

EDIT: Thumper's post has been deleted, but I'm still going to Hell because while it was here, I laughed at it and I'm pretty sure God heard me.

I don’t see what experience, knowledge or understanding have to do with anything. You are obviously a poser. ;)

Thanks, we try.

:)

Dang, I thought it was subject appropriate too...... :confused:

Grizzly, I don't think your going to Hell for laughing at it, but you may have to wait in a longer line to get in.

It sounds like boxsterz is the biggest poser in this forum. He only bought his Boxster because he couldn't afford a 911. Some of us bought Boxsters even though we can afford 911's because we like the Boxster better.

Get off the board, then. Stop posting here and stop reading it if you don't like it. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

So to summarize before this thread gets closed:

We are all a bunch of useless posers who don't know anything about Porsches, driving, or how to please a woman.

Not surprising that this is coming from the only person in this forum who has been rude to me.

Thanks for another helpful and friendly thread.

Dr kill. I always wanted to ask you this, and since this is a non-sense thread, I might as well derail it slightly.

Do you really have that bumper sticker on the back of your car? It cracks me up every time I see it.

I agree, with just about everything (above) except for the comments from boxsterz. I too, gained a lot of respect for the forum through this thread, because everyone here is so mature. This is by far the craziest thread I have been a part of.
Thanks for making this a great forum everyone! :cheers:

BruceLee, when are you going to close this thing?!?!?!?!?

Maybe it's because I'm almost a half century old, but I have never really understood this kind of banter. I understand Boxsterz point of view, yet I understand most everyone else's as well.

Why does anyone care what they think, do or say regarding their car, sports team, etc. A tremenous amount of effort and energy is being wasted.

Keep in mind guys, that of all the people that you hate, 95% don't even know you hate them, and of the 5% that do, don't care.

Time for a group hug.....and a beer. :cheers:

it needs to be closed after the sticker on the back of Dr kills car is addressed :)
i wanna know as well

That a still from Green Streets the movie about the the West Ham Football hooligans. Pretty good movie but Elijah wood as a brawler wasn't very convincing.