Low octane fuel for a 2,000 mile road trip to Phoenix

[markab986]

old link...not saying this is the fuel gospel, but good points

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041008.html

[dmenn]

You probably paid at least $50K for a brand new Porsche - and you're worried about saving 20 cents a gallon on gas? The least you can do is put the right gas into it. Buying the car is one thing, actually driving and maintaining it is another thing, and can be quite pricey.

[Cloudsurfer]

Just as an aside, higher altitude, less dense air does not deter knock, but increases its likelihood. This is a phenomenon known as "density altitude" in aviation, and it has to do with reduced aircraft (and thus for us car guys, engine) performance due to high humidity, high temperature, high altitude- all of which cause lower air density and reduced performance.

Patrick

[SD987]

For each 1000 feet of altitude the atmospheric pressure will drop by a little less than 1 inHg (11 kPa/km). An engine that might require 93 octane at sea level may perform at maximum on a fuel rated at 91 octane if the elevation is over, say, 1000 feet.

Octane ratings can vary greatly from region to region. For example, the minimum octane rating available in much of the United States is 87 AKI and the highest is 93. In the Rocky Mountain (high altitude) states, 85 octane is the minimum octane and 91 is the maximum octane available in fuel. The reason for this is that in higher-altitude areas, a typical combustion engine draws in less air per cycle due to the reduced density of the atmosphere. This directly translates to reduced absolute compression in the cylinder, therefore deterring knock. It is safe to fill up a car that normally takes 87 AKI fuel at sea level with 85 AKI fuel in the mountains, but if carried back to sea level the fuel may cause damage to the engine.

ejmc11, here's what you do, just have a Starbucks every other day instead of every morning. Take the savings, and buy 93 octane gas.

[Cloudsurfer]

Ah, I forgot one thing in my translation from aviation to cars: forced induction. Many piston aircraft engines are referred to as "altitude engines" and use turbocharging to maintain a constant cylinder pressure as one flies higher and higher, up to the service ceiling of the aircraft (unlike cars, airplanes use forced induction to maintain power at altitude, not make more power). So yes, in the case of a non-forced induction piston motor at higher density altitude, peak cylinder pressures would be lower, and thus you could get away with lower octane fuel.

Either way, when you have a $50k car, I personally find it hard to justify saving $20 on something like non premium fuel. If anything, I'd run premium just for the better additive package.

Patrick