SRT4 vs. Boxster S
 

All i can say is.......LOL

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/boxster/0/05859b5f-dfa5-427c-bc2a-675dba0bf47f.htm

Darn, I coulda had a Dodge

Yeh, that's was my old car that got stollen. Not that one in the video, but same car. SRT-4 has a turbo which they don't mention in the video. I like my Boxster as far as looks go and the SRT-4 only got me into trouble street racing. I had spent ALLOT of money fixing it up and then someone stole it. 48hrs later they found it stripped to the frame. They even set the interior on fire. Cops said they do that sometimes to burn thier finger prints off anything they touch. My insurance covered me, but they grilled me with a million questions until they cut the check for what the car was worth. I kept all of my receits from every thing I ever bought for that car and they gave me an additional halft of what I put into the car. I don't miss the 4-doors on a sports car, but do miss the turbo power. :(

nice car and autocrosses well. But isn't it still a neon?

Exactly. That's what everyone else said. I always said go ahead and laugh, just try to pass me up, they never could. I think the stupid name NEON is what ruins it. That's why dodge tried to change the name and stopped calling it that and gave it the SRT-4 badge. Then the turbo PT Cruiser came out and that ruined it for me because everyone knew it was the same engine as the SRT-4. Hell, even the chassi and frame are the same. Only the body is different. It was the 4-Doors that ruined it for me. :o

hahaha... the SRT4? A sports car? I wouldn't give it that much credit. No offense to you, but it's a Neon that has 'factory aftermarket' stuff in it. It's a souped up econobox.

I always say the SRT4 is proof that you can't polish a turd, but apparently, you can make it go REAL FAST!


Yeah, they're fast, faster than my Boxster. Not sure if they handle worth a damn compared to a Box.. .but they are still a Neon.

Everytime I see one while driving in my German cruiser (1997 S500 w/armor package) I just want to ram into it and see what happens.

Its always some punk kid with spikey hair revving their engine with an exhaust that sounds like fart at anything that passes them by.

Oh and they sure run quick when they see 7k+lbs steering right towards them! :troll:

Ever hear of the ACR? Dodge had an ACR Neon that did very well at autocross events, finishing in the top 3 for its class for many years. That was when It was a 2-door. There was even a yearly charity event race shown on TV with celebrities racing these "Neons" with sport adjustable Koni suspension. Ever heard of Skip Barber Driving School? They use Neons still today to train thier drivers. It may not look it, but it IS considered a sports car by track enthusiasts. I still love my Porsche more. ;)

I dunno I drove my lady friend's Neon frequently and I'd sooner drive that then a corolla. Its actually a very nice car for a commuter. The new Honda Civic is nice too.

And although the Neon is not a sports car, it has had some very respectable results at the National level in SCCA Solo. I think the founder of EVO Autocross schools is a woman from Florida that beat allot of guys in her neon.

p.s.
When will the spikey hair fad ever end? Its like die already... it had to be at least 7 years ago that I first saw a pack of "Growing up Gotti" types at a PVD show here in NYC.





note the waxed eyebrows and lip gloss (it's David Bowie all over again).


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Well, to end the debate right here and now... consider this. Take a toyota corolla, add a hypothetical factory turbo suspension ect... and you have the equivelent to an srt-4 (maybe better due to frame design, but I have no clue). Is a corolla a sports car, no. While it may be quicker, it is not faster. Its like you can enter a corner at 100 in a Box and sustain it, or go 120, drop down to 80, then speed up again to be even again. While the boxster is obviously the better car, the power to weight ratio is skewed torward the neon. Thats about it, it has more bounce per ounce... lol. Now add a boxster with the same power to weight ratio and we will see who wins then.

[QUOTE=Perfectlap]I dunno I drove my lady friend's Neon frequently and I'd sooner drive that then a corolla. Its actually a very nice car for a commuter. The new Honda Civic is nice too.

And although the Neon is not a sports car, it has had some very respectable results at the National level in SCCA Solo. I think the founder of EVO Autocross schools is a woman from Florida that beat allot of guys in her neon.

p.s.
When will the spikey hair fad ever end? Its like die already... it had to be at least 7 years ago that I first saw a pack of "Growing up Gotti" types at a PVD show here in NYC.





note the waxed eyebrows and lip gloss (it's David Bowie all over again).

Thanks for mentioning the SCCA. I almost forgot about that too. Yes, it is a god car for the money it cost new. I'm speaking of the RT and SRT-4 models only. Not the Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler - Neon. There is the Base level NEON that came with a smaller engine and no suspension upgrades. That's what most people see on the street. Chrysler made 2 versions of this car. One for Mom and one for the Auto Cross enthusiast. If you look it up and reseach it, you will find both size engines. A 2.0 and a 2.4 Turbo. :cheers:

And that was an insult to David Bowie! :p

they had that one autocross edition one (forgot the name) but still....
you can make a lot of cars go fast, thats not the point.
for how much that car cost you can pretty much take a beat up civic and put a big block in it and itll go fast, or anything pretty much, but at the end of the day you are still driving that POS, and neon out of all the things.
a 4 door grocery getter with some crap on there to make it go fast... o well, im not the one drivig it

If you get beaten in your Boxster at the track or autocross by a Neon SR whatever then its a sports car.
Of course this will never happen in a front wheel drive Civic so no need to even bring up the coffee can in the back.


I would love to know what these guys below drive...
The spikey hair set in Northern New Jersey won't be caught dead in anything that doesn't hail from Bavaria (BMW). Note the pic of the sail boat in the back...classy.

http://www.maximumawesome.com/images/s2-msman3.jpg

Where did you find these pictures? These guys look like human clones!

hey those are from perfectlap's facebook page.
Those are my BROS!!

just kidding...Google search Growing Up Gotti.
Can't believe this look never made a regular character appearance onto The Sopranos.

Dude, I've seen a Civic hatchback that would hang with a Dodge Viper. It was THAT fast. (turbocharged engine swap with nitrous) If it could HANDLE worth a darn... then yeah, you could probably be beat by it in an AX.

Does that a sports car make?


Not in my humble opinion.



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So how fast is that neon?? What's the 0-60 time, is it faster than the new 2007 3.4L Boxster S?

They just look kinda silly to me, but props to them if they are that fast. I would support the notion that going fast in a straight line doesn't define a sports car.

Why would you spend the cash to upgrade a neon to outdo a porsche?
You would spend less cash just buying a porsche.

An armor plated S500??? Dude, just what kind of "toys" are you selling, anyway???

sports car ey?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...urner-neon.jpg

That Neon driver needs to read our parking thread. That's quite a door ding he appears to have.

Hmmm... "Neon driver". Isn't that an oxymoron? :D

A car is a car and a fast car is a fast car but there is no substitute for a Porsche. I am not just saying that because I drive a Boxster. The reality is that there is no comparison of a 4 door sedan to a convertible. You can spend some bucks and make some upgrades to make a car go fast in a straight line but the test is what can the car do when taking a curve at high speed? Oh yeah with the sun shining and feeling the wind go through your hair at a 100+MPH.

Yes. But the SRT-4 comes already done. I.E. Turbo and Sport Suspension. Stock it does not have to be modified any more.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15..._srt_black.jpg

[QUOTE=djomlas]sports car ey?

Again, you fail to understand, that image you posted is the 1st gen NEON with the 2.0L Single Overhead Cam. engine. That NEON IS a piece of crap. We are not talking about that grocery driver. The 1st gen had ALSO had an ACR and a RT 2.4L Daul Overhead Cam. It was the 2door version. Not the 4door crap you posted. I keep trying to tell people there are 2 versions of the NEON. But you just don't get it. The 2nd gen. also had the same thing but were ALL 4door from 2001-04. But they introduced the SRT-4 that came with a turbo from the factory and sport suspension. :dance:

i think that i can put just as many groceries in that one as i can in the srt4, but they will get there noise free, and not all shaken up :)

at the end of the day you still drive a NEON, one way or another...but still, why wouldnt they "factory pimp out" the 2 door one but they chose the 4 door joke.

Because Chrysler likes to use "PLATFORM" frames and chassi for as many cars as posible. I.E. the 4 door NEON SRT-4 is the same frame and chassi as the 4 door PT Cruiser. Chrysler knows how to make mutiple cars built on the same frame, that's how they save money. The Dodge Charger is the same car underneath as the Dodge Magnum. That's why they call it a Platform build.

The Dodge STR-4 was the only car ever made to come with a FACTORY turbo that ALSO included MOPAR FACTORY WARRANTIED upgrades to a stage 1, 2, & 3! :cheers:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...h/Picture2.jpg

It was my mom’s anniversary gift from my dad back in 1997.

He just bought it like that. In fact we never knew it was armor plated until I started driving it about a year ago and had to take it in for service. When I saw it on the lift I asked the tech why the underbody looked different then all the other ones in the shop. That’s when he explained that some of the "big body S500" came armor plated from the factory.

It’s pretty cool. Now I drive through South Central LA throwing all kinds of gang signs.....Just Kidding.

I think the right driver and tires on the Porsche and the srt4 would not stand a chance. I love the commentator stating that the engine in the front of the srt pushing the front wheels down give it an advantage in skidpad type cornering, if anything the front drive is a minus. lol.

I like the Srt4, but its such a cheaply made car. Everything is plastic, Cheap PLastic. No class.

[QUOTE=drburton]So how fast is that neon?? What's the 0-60 time, is it faster than the new 2007 3.4L Boxster S?
[QUOTE]

Stock for stock they are comparable to the 00--04 boxster S. The boxster probably has the edge in the upper 100mph+ speed realm due to a lower drag coefficient. A 3.4L boxster S would walk away from the Neon with relative ease.

Resurrecting the Dead
 

Alright all you brilliant auto aficionados, I want to pick your brain on which car is faster from 0-100 ( I won’t say why I’m asking because I don’t want to get yelled at ) :

My 1999 Boxster or a 2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 ?

Neon

2939 lbs
215 hp
245 ft-lbs TQ

0-60 5.6 sec
¼ mi 14.1 sec

Boxster

2822 lbs
201 hp
181 ft-lbs TQ

0-60 6.0 sec
¼ mi 14.5 sec

What do you guys think ?

Nick

thats it, were all selling these pos german cars and getting neons, group buy anyone? :D

on paper it shows its faster, so its only a rational thing to get, or heck, get 2 while u at it, one for daily, and one for 'show' hahaha

Wow.... I can't believe the attitude on this forum.

I take it that none of you that are criticizing people who own neons and civics come from the real world... Must be nice to have that two-seat roadster Porsche bought by mommy and daddy to look down upon the unwashed masses from.

This one of the things that I don't like about owning a Porsche, it seems like a lot of "enthusiasts" have attitudes like this. I just don't see this kind of attitude in the other clubs/forums I'm involved in.

It's also very evident from this thread that a lot of the people criticizing the cars have never actaully attended a performance driving event in their lives, relying on the status symbol of their Boxster to be all the performance they need. Yes, both a Neon or a Civic can be faster than your Box, either in a straight line or around a track.

And of course, the come-back will be "but nothing else is a Porsche..." Just admit that a car as a status symbol is rather important in your life. It's okay, we won't hold it against you and you'll feel better about being honest with yourself. So far, I haven't really seen anything super-special about the Boxster as an overall vehicle, so I hope the marque is worth more than the performance.

If you wish to pick on a car, deal with specific reasons why that vehicle is inferior to your choice. "It's still a neon!" is not a slam, regardless of how it's meant. "it's still a Neon" talking about the ACR or the SRT/4 means that "Dodge was able to take JUST a Neon and created a factory-warrantied car that would keep up with a Porsche in most instances, and beat it in others." If you don't like them because the interior is cheaper, say so, but don't try to claim the whole car sucks just because "it's still a neon."

And to answer the inevitable, no, I've never owned a Neon or a Civic.. I just race with a lot of people who do.

so then when did your parents buy you your porsche?

A Dodge Neon/SRT4 is a disposable car IMHO. Anything can go fast if you pour enough money in it. I once saw a 9 second Ford Pinto... doesn't mean I want to own one.

i dont see why people are arguing over this. it just makes people look ignorant to be trashing other cars that you do not own. I personally do not like neons or dodges for that matter too much but i wouldnt disrespect someone for driving one. everyone is different so we all drive different cars, some people wanna buy a porsche because of the brand, others would rather drive a neon or a civic or whatever with mods that costs more then the porsche did in the first place. its all personal choice, it would be stupid if we all were thinking alike and all drove the same exact porsche.
all cars are cars when it comes down to it it just depends what "brand" you want to be associated with it. and if i wanted to be disrespectful like some people on this site id say theres a lot of euro trash people drive those cheap mercedes-benz c class cars and think theyre the ******************** thinking they're "classy" because they drive a "benz" and in my opinion id rather drive a honda civic then that cheap ass knockoff but again its all personal choice and we dont need to be disrespectful to others

I tend to agree. A car is just a piece of metal, pick the one that makes you smile the most! A sports car is a vehicle you can take to the track in a pinch. Thus the dodge is a sports car. Snobs usually don't know the difference between a side draft carb or a down draft or what the specific benefits of OHC or what a hemi head are. That's why they have to rely on pedigree. But I digress....


A kid in a turbo neon (I heard his BOV earlier) tried to race me, so I made his day. He pulled on me from about 50-80. He got about a car length on me and I shut it down, hey who says I'm irresponsible! I gave him the thumbs up, and he have me a peace sign. Everything was cool. I'm sure he was quite happy with the kill, and went to bed with a smile on his face, and later told all his friends the next day how he destroyed a boxster. For me, I settled my curiosity and went to bed happy also. Love the box. Anyways, I respect much more the gearhead than the pretentious ignoramus no matter what he's driving.

Thought you might wnat to hear from someone who has owned both.
 

Well as I mentioned in the tittle, I once owned an SRT-4 and now own a Boxster My SRT-4 had some goodies to include a wet nitrous system, it did 13.5 in the quarter mile off the bottle at close to 4,000 feet elevation. Might have done 12 something with the bottle but i never got to time it. Now my boxster has a 3.6 997 engine ecu , headers, b&m short throw shifter, and full suspension. Aside from the aesthetic stuff. Yet still my SRT-4 was faster without the juice. I am aware that I am talking about strait line racing which is not what the Porsche is built for. Which is exactly the reason I own one. I want to be able to drive fast around the curves also. I know you can mod an SRT-4 to be good in the twisty, but then it's just out of it's element. Also I would be lying if I said I didn't get tired of guys in 350z's RX-8 Evo's and STI's telling me "yeah it's faster but it's still a neon" Besides the Sexy look of the car and the way it's built doesn't hurt either. I don't make more money now than I did when i had the SRT-4 I did the modesty thing for a while and got my kicks now it's my turn in the sun :cheers:

boxsterz,

That is EXACTLY what happened to me yesterday, hence my question...

Ever since I got the Boxster and started autocrossing, I have gained a new found respect for a lot of cars that I never really used to consider.

The only vehicles I hate are minivans, everything else is OK in my book.

Nick

Are you saying that you have a 2.5 or 2.7L engine with the ECU from a 997? Why?