2001 boxster s v. '05 s2000?
 

ok, so i don't expect unbiased opinions here, but here goes...
i'll be getting a new car next month, and am having a tough (but fun) time deciding. looking for something in the $20-25k range, and have narrowed down my choices to 01-02 boxster s or 04-05 honda s2000. i haven't driven either of the model years that i'm looking at, but within the last 2 weeks have driven an '07 s2000 and '06 boxster s. my thoughts (long--skip to the end for my questions):
both put huge, uh, crap-eating grins on my face.
1. handling/ride: both were amazing, great steering weight, fantastic reflexes. the porsche had a bit better ride--you can feel everything in the honda, although it isn't harsh. the boxster was also quite a bit quieter on the highway (top up). for a daily driver, edge boxster.
2. gearbox: the honda is amazing. just fantastic. the porsche is very good, but a notch below the s2000. also drove an rx-8 immediately after the porsche--out of the 3, the boxster comes in 3rd.
3. engine: ok, not really fair because the '06 has 50 hp on the '01, but man, i was loving it. nice low end, incredible engine sound, very refined if you weren't at WOT. the honda is quick, and when the cams switch over at 6k rpm the car rockets with a surprisingly good engine growl for a 4 cyl. at low rpms it isn't anemic, but it doesn't scream either. clearly, if you're in "go fast" mode, you need to keep the revs up. advantage '06 porsche--unclear winner v. '01.
4. interior: tough call. the honda is minimalist, but i really like it. no clutter, no stupid electronics to break. oh, except for the speedo/tach. i much prefer the analog of the porsche. both cars have great seats, and fit me well (surprising given i'm 6'2", 190#). both had decent storage space, though the honda has a bit more. honda also has cupholders. i know this shouldn't be a huge deal, but i've never had a car with cupholders, and i'm tired of playing russian roulette with coffee between my legs. i've read that the '01 interior is cheaper feeling than the new models, and has poor ergonomics. i haven't seen one though. overall, the '06 was certainly fancier, but i'd say this is a draw. really all i want is a good driving position, comfy supportive seats, and easy access to the radio and hvac. both fit the bill here.
5. exterior: also tough. i really like the s2000, but the porsche is so damn sexy. i can't stand the plastic rear window, and the honda has hid headlights. still, slight edge porsche.

now, the s2000 is pretty much unchanged from '04. aside from the hp increase in the boxster (and glass rear window, and cupholders), i'm not sure of the differences between the '01 and '06. here are my concerns with the porsche:

radio: i like my tunes and my mp3. the honda has a simple din radio that i can easily swap out, while the boxster has one of these fancy all in one units--anyone know of an easy way to get an mp3 input?
cupholders: yeah, i know it's stupid.
reliability: this terrifies me. i've read about the rms issue, and it scares me, as does the thought of a 6-7 year old porsche. as do $2000 tires. the nice thing about the honda is it's a honda. they don't break, and parts are cheap. i've always worked on my own cars--does anybody work on their own car here? it seems like it would be a major PITA to repair anything in this car.
mileage: i like the thought of a sports car that gets 34mpg on the hwy (per consumer reports). what do you get in your s?

lastly, i think i'll have a hard time finding what i want in the boxster. they're scarce in my neck of the woods (new orleans, soon to be birmingham, al) for what i'm looking for (silver/black interior) in this price range. truly, if i'm rational about this, the honda is probably the better deal. i can get similar performance in a 3-4 year newer car for $3-4k less. it's cheaper to maintain/fix. but the honda isn't a porsche.

Not sure how much stop and go traffic you will be driving in, but lack of low end torque (in this case, below 3,000 rpm) I find annoying in any car. My WRX (yes apples to oranges here) was horrible in stop and go. I tired of it quickly. In this regard, you will find the boxster nicer.

If you really worried about reliability, get an S2000. I can't stand reading about people who complain about cars that break down. Yes, the Boxster can break down, and may break down more often than an S2000. I guess this is why people read consumer reports ;)

However, a Boxster is pretty easy to work on and many out here have purchased aftermarket warranties and have been thankful they have done so.

You only live once. Why have a regret. Your last line says it all.. A Honda isn't a Porsche.

I will say this. I live in a waterfront commumity that attracts a lot of people, who are out for a cruise on nice days. My next door neighbor has a silver S2000. We have a silver Boxster. When the cars are in our respective driveways, they are literally parked fifteen feet apart. No one ever sprains a neck trying to get a look at the Honda, but I'm lucky they don't run over my mailbox trying to get a look at the Boxster. Side by side, there is no comparison. The Honda looks like a refrigerator box next to the Porsche.

As Racer D alluded, cars break. Even Hondas break. Would I settle for a Honda because I'm afraid my Porsche might break? No. I'd hurry up and fix the Porsche so I can drive it some more.

well try this..... I've put 30K miles on my BoxsterS
and have just one repair that cost more than $200.
That's Honda like reliability.... so far. The lower the mileage on your Porsche the better experience you will have.
But a Porsche is a Porsche and you have budget an extra 20% for the specialized labor and more expensive parts...well worth the extra dinero.

As Grizzly pointed out the S2000 styling is looking allot more dated than Boxster and Boxster design is actually 14 years old now.

I nearly pulled the trigger on an S2000 but the seat position was no damn good for me. And once I stomped on the throttle on my BoxsterS in 3rd gear it was game over.

What kind of guy are you? Heart or Head?

Heart = Porsche
Head = Honda

Porsche or Honda
 

In my hood I was the first to own a roadster, the S2000 and the used older M roadster followed. When I tell them I only paid $ 47500 otd, they think I bought it used. A college student who writes about cars in a school news papers would rather talk to me about the boxster instead of the two. The Honda is reliable, too bland for my taste, Porsche Boxster lines age gracefully. IMHO. The M has more power but it's not a Porsche. Good luck.

The s2000 is only fun if you're really beating the carp out of it.
the boxster is fun even when it's off.

the interior of the 06 (o5+) looks nothing like the interior of the 00-02 on the boxsters.
it is quite easy to add a single din stereo to any boxster pre-05.
but, there is an ipod/aux cable that you can get that will plug right into the stock stereo.

for the price range you're looking at. (20-25k) you should consider getting a lower milage 00 or 01 boxster S. and 02 in that price range will likely have way higher miles and is really not too different from the 00 or the 01. the cupholders up until the 03 were/are abysmal. the 03-04 are slightly less so.

i think you'll have fun with either car. and if you like running around at 5k+ rpm all the time, the s2k isn't too bad. check out dyno charts on the cars though. the s2000 engine is like an on/off switch. below 6k you have about 110-120 lb/ft torque to the wheels. above that and you have maybe 165.

the boxster S (which has less hp/tq in 2000,2001 and 2002) pretty much always has at least 180-ish lb/tq at the wheels from almost anywhere in the powerband.

note these figures are at the wheels. the specs and mags usually quote at the flywheel.

The S2000 is lower on torque in comparison but I don't think it really matters.
Its an extreme example of race car engineering in a regular road car.
The max torque is set at max revs, Honda changed that a couple of years ago
and brought the max torque down a few thousand revs...so its not as race car like anymore....but still, the "lack" of torque and two less cylinders doesn't keep it from matching the higer torque 2.7 Boxster lap times at most autocross venues.

I think if they re-styled the S2000 to look more like a Ferrari 360 Spyder in yellow, with its current best gear box in sports car world bar none, I'd have to buy one just for the track.

mike, i agree with most of your comparison. i love both cars but love the boxster just a bit more.

i bought 99 boxster in march and my buddy bought 04 s2000 in april. the one thing i wish boxster had was s2000's gear box and shifter. shifter is place with a armrest center console and you only have to flick your wrists to change gears. go and test drive it if you haven't yet. handling on s2000 is very tight and feels more like a sports car than boxster. i felt like i was driving a luxery car after driving my buddy's s2000. last thing is that roof top operates a lot faster in s2000. it seems like it takes 4 to 5 seconds to get the top down but then it doesn't hide the soft top like the boxster.
few negative things as mentioned is the gage. it's cheesy as hell and toy like. the other is the engine noise. having a nice tone is one thing but it's too loud inside the cockpit. my buddy misses every phone call whenever he's driving.

honda vs porsche. i'm the only porsche owner among my friends and starting to be known as the guy with the porsche. guy with the honda doesn't have the same ring to it. haha. i guess that's where all that extra money went.

btw, boxster had 36k miles on it and i drove 6k miles in 3 months including round trip to toronto which was 600 miles each way. absolutely no problems with the car what so ever and loving it.

theres that one video of cmparison with carson, and they mentioned a number, in millions or whatever oh vtech engines made and not one broke that was in honda...and well a porsche engine? hahha take a guess...
but i would have a porsche over a honda any day ;)

I think that Jeph says it best. You can do all the number crunching and side by side of a million factors but it really boils down to the head vs. the heart. I have owned many cars over the years but have never had the pride of ownership that I do with my Porsche. It is that feeling that is soo much more rewarding than 0-60 one tenth faster than brand X. Other cars can be compared to a Porsche but they will never be one.

I can see most here dont like the s2000, but I personally love it... Although i love the boxster too. I've owned a 04' s2000 and to me its better then the boxster in some ways- handles better, pretty good gas milage, has more room, looks good and is more reliable. Many people think its just a "honda" and really get a porsche cuz its a porsche brand but they really know zero about cars. I've driven my brothers ocean jade green boxster, my red s2000 and I drive a 05' black boxster now and i get the same looks in the boxsters as i did in the s2000. If someone cant appraciate an s2000 they really know nothing about cars to begin with. In my opinion, both cars are an excellent choice. Most people on this site will tell u to get the boxster because they are boxster owners- so test drive both cars and do your own research and figure out whats best for you, dont rely on what other people think cuz u'll be the one driving the car.

yeah there are allot of stereotypes about both cars...like that the Boxster is a chick car and the S2000 is a boy racer car.
I guess people will always knock roadsters because they are stuck in boring four doors.

I'm new here so if I screw up just let me know. I bought my 2000 Boxster yesterday. I considered the Z4 but I never looked at the S2000 because of the high revs needed to get in the power range. I am just coming off of a 92 Miata with a supercharged 302 so I was looking for reliability and quiet :-).

Tom

I drove an S2000 then I drove a Boxster 2.7. Once you do this then the choice is obvious. All Honda's drive the same, from a Civic up to an NSX. This is good and bad. Good because they are reliable, bad because they really do not stir the soul like other cars do.....

I've driven both cars and of the factors that are important to me, the S2000 beat the Boxster on only three - gearbox, reliability and repair cost. Two of those three items are "head" over "heart" issues.

The Porsche beats the S2000 on engine sound, and appearance. I also suspect it will be a little bit safer if you are ever invovled in an accident.

To me, it boiled down to a desire to experience a Porsche once in my life. Used Boxsters with low mileage are available for reasonable prices.

If you really want the Boxster consider: It may cost a little more, but you've been a good boy and you deserve it.

thanks for the thoughtful replies. head v. heart argument has some merit, except that the s2000 is an absolute blast to drive--it was comparable to the '06 s in terms of fun, so i don't know what i'll think compared to an '01. comparing it to a civic just means you haven't driven it. i REALLY like both cars, and am excited that i have have a chance to have a "problem" like this. since this is to be my daily driver, i am concerned about highway wind/engine noise. city driving doesn't concern me--low torque is relative, and there's still plenty to get from a to b. both the s2k and boxster have very good crash test ratings, though i wouldn't want to meet a suburban at highway speeds in either one. so now, of course, there's the issue of finding what i want. an '01 s in silver/black, for a reasonable price, in reasonable driving distance from me, is not easy to find (anyone in the birmingham or new orleans area want to take me for a spin?).

If you're really considering one for a daily driver, I'd probably go with the Porsche. From the comments here, the S2000, although fun, is noisier.

With my top up, I really feel like I'm in a hard top car. The headliner gives it a plush feeling, and helps reduce noise.

Only occasionally do I ever notice more noise outside the vehicle than I would in a hard top car.

I'd suggest finding a good 01-02 in your price range, with low miles in good shape. Get it checked out (PPI) and look into getting an extended warranty on it.

also, 2 other questions:

what's a good source for finding used boxsters?

and how many folks here work on their cars themselves? how hard is it to do your own repairs to the boxster?

I looked on Autotrader. Found tons in my price range. You get lots of information there... age, mileage, pictures, the VIN if you want to do a Carfax (Don't TRUST carfax for everything, but you can at least tell how many owners there were, where it lived, and a few useful things).

Boxsters are not that hard to to work on. Routine maintenance is very easy. Things like replacing O2 sensors, the main belt and spark plugs are also relatively easy. It's just a little quirky getting at the stuff, that's all!

yeah, i've been checking autotrader. didn't know if there was a super secret porsche classified site or something that i don't know about. not too much of what i'm looking for in either new orleans or birmingham.

follow your heart!

First you want to think about it. A s2k is a nice car, well balanced, non pricey, fun car. You can also do alot with that car that would make it easily faster than the boxster, But a Boxster is still a Porsche. Those who make the porsches make it with somewhat of a soul. A s2k is made with the idea of money making behind it. THe boxster as proved by TOp gear is faster around the track because of its low end torque. The boxster is prettier, and it has CLASS. So its up to you! I live in an area where s2k's are commonly known as rice rockets so yea.

Don't get me wrong though, I love the s2k but i just wouldn't get one.

2001 boxster s v. '05 s2000
 

I traded in my '02 S2000 for my '04 Boxster, which I still currently own & drive. Yes, the S2K's "fun" but it's not a Porsche. I only had my S2K for a year-and-a-half. During that time, I've had the MAP fail on me (which was covered by the warranty - I can't remember what MAP stood for) and the check engine light would light up every 2 - 3 months (Honda didn't know what was going on). I got tired of taking it to the dealer - rather spend my time elsewhere. Maybe the S2K's are better now but I would never go back to buying a Honda after the problems I had with my S2K (which, by the way, was my first Honda). I'm very happy with my Boxster. The maintenance may be more $$$, but that's the price you pay for almost any German /Italian automobile. By the way, if you compare the fabric of the convertible tops of the S2L & the Boxster, the S2K feels more "plasticky" where as the Boxster feels like fabric.

it's funny. i was talking to my girlfriend about which car i was going to buy. she says, "oh, i already know you're going to buy the porsche".
"why?"
"because you want it, but you keep trying to think up reasons not to buy it."

sigh.

still can't seem to find anything reasonable near me though.

I test drove S2000 yesterday just to compare to boxsters i test driven before...yes the shifter was really nice on s2000 but boxster felt so much more like home

I just found this thread in the midst of searching for instructions on removing the center console but I'm going off on a tangent... I had a 2000 Honda S2000. I purchased it with 19,000 miles in August of 2001. I had it until April 2006. It was an incredible feat of engineering. There are two cars in the Honda lineup that are not "mass produced". The NSX and the S2000 are both hand assembled in the same factory. I bought my Porsche to fill the void in my heart after I wrecked the S2000 and couldn't be happier. But you need to give the S2000 it's due. It's a perfectly balanced car to begin with. Stock it has many features that are very pricey upgrades on other vehicles (forged pistons and rods, blueprinted and balanced crank, etc). Additionally, the fact that they were able to get 120hp per liter is an incredible accomplishment. Would I go back to an S2000? Not a chance. Did I love it as much as my Boxster? Yep. They are different beasts. The Boxster is MUCH more refined. It's a Gentleman's sports car. And in closing, there certainly is no substitute.
-Larry

This is your answer. You have to the get the Porsche. If you buy the Honda, while probably being a smarter economic decision, you will always look fondly at other Porsches you meet on the road. You will always wonder what it would have been like. I doubt that if you buy the Porsche, you will sit around and wax poetic about what life would have been like with the Honda (well maybe you will when you are paying for maintenance ;) ).

I knew very early in my relationship with my wife that I needed to spend the rest of my life with her. Getting behind the wheel of the Porsche gives me a similar feeling. I had other cars before, only to sell them after years or months because I knew it wasn’t the perfect car (like former relationships with old girlfriends?).

When you know it’s right, you know it. Buy the Porsche. It will probably give you a headache or two that you won’t experience with the Honda, but it will give you more enjoyment, and when you are 75 years old, you can look back and say “yeah, I used to have a 986S. That was quite a car.” As opposed to, “boy I sure am glad I based my vehicular decisions on slight economic advantages rather than what I really wanted.”

heh heh. done!
http://986forum.com/forums/boxster-general-discussions/11765-im-one-you-now.html

good one ... :cool:

you'll never return anything because of the 'specs'. in other words, you won't take a car back 'cuz you clocked 6s in 0 - 60mph test instead of road & track's printed 5.9 s. you'll take it back 'cuz it sux.

dude, listen to your heart! which car made it sing?

nola mike wrote:
> it's funny. i was talking to my girlfriend about which car i was going
> to buy. she says, "oh, i already know you're going to buy the porsche".
> "why?"
> "because you want it, but you keep trying to think up reasons not to buy it."
> sigh.


Well, that's similar to my very decisive GF who just bought me my Boxster (from some lady in Beverly Hills) and then drove it up to Bay Area & delivered it at my doorsteps -- she just knew that I wanted it, no question asked.

-- peer

Some thoughts.

First, you really need to drive the respective model years in the price range you are shooting for. There are significant differences between the pre-2005 Boxsters and the more recent ones (987).

Also, take into consideration the 'community' you will be joining. Just the fact you are posting this makes me believe your purchase will be more than just a car for you. Porsche has built a great community of car enthusiasts. You can join your local PCA and there will be a variety of social events as well as advanced driving school and track events. There are also a number of very helpful forums for tech information.

Don't forget about service. My experience with Porsche service has been amazing. Excellent service with attention to detail and great people to work with. My service rep is almost like a concierge service, she does anything for me.

The Honda is a great car too and you will obviously get biased opinion here so drive the cars and make a decision.