Forum peeves..?

[unklekraker]

someone has to throw humors, right I would love to make some comment but, this place/forum is a cool place to hang out with to start an arguement

since it's only 6:45am here, I put the popcorn aside and now toasting a bagel and drinking coffee while watching..anyone wants some bagel and coffee

[Peer]

Rob-00BoxsterS wrote:
> Why do you continue to generalize and insult (incorrectly I might
> add) the people from the country you choose to live in?

How's pointing to a well known fact insulting? Pray tell. Perhaps you also think my poll was insulting? If so, I apologize.

z12358 wrote:
> I still believe you didn't really mean this, and that your (US)
> university is one of those still good enough to teach you the
> pitfalls of generalization.

The "pitfalls of generalization"..? Well, among the nuggets I picked up from my statistics classes were that even a phrase like 'American people' is a general term. Hence, the following is a true & correct statement; the illiteracy level of the American people is among the highest in the industrialized world. If that feels like a "pitfall" to you, then I apologize also to you.

Now, can't we just let this silly thread die?

Love, peace, and understanding.

-- peer

[silverboxter]

uhh...I really hate it when people key "break" when they really mean "brake".


ps does the period go inside the parernthesis or outside? : )

[JackG]

Originally Posted by Peer

Rob-00BoxsterS wrote:
> Why do you continue to generalize and insult (incorrectly I might
> add) the people from the country you choose to live in?

How's pointing to a well known fact insulting?

Your "fact" is in some dispute.

z12358 wrote:
> I still believe you didn't really mean this, and that your (US)
> university is one of those still good enough to teach you the
> pitfalls of generalization.

The "pitfalls of generalization"..? Well, among the nuggets I picked up from my statistics classes were that even a phrase like 'American people' is a general term. Hence, the following is a true & correct statement; the illiteracy level of the American people is among the highest in the industrialized world. If that feels like a "pitfall" to you, then I apologize also to you.
peer

No one blames you for repeating the fallacies that you've been taught. Here are some counter-points:

"When it comes to international comparisons, it's essential to remember that there is no standard definition of literacy and that many nations rely on self-reporting: in the census, people are often asked "Can you read and write" or even "Can you read and write your name", and the answer for this question is then simply accepted.

Many Europeans gleefully latch on to this figure about the US but then fail to critically examine how literacy numbers are generated in their own countries. Many European countries have sizeable immigrant populations from poor countries in which illiteracy is very common. It's surprising, therefore, that these populations apparently do no exceed 0.01% of the general population. When I've raised this matter in casual conversations with European friends, they tend to respond, "Ah, but those people are Somalis/Turks/Berbers/Pakistanis/Kurds/Nepalis, not real Swedes/Germans/French/Italians/Britons, so they don't count." Non-citizens, including those without legal papers, most certainly did count in the National Adult Literacy Survey (as they should have), and this also needs to be borne in mind."

You must question all data points. Maybe that's a class you didn't take?

[Peer]

JackG wrote:
> in the census, people are often asked "Can you read and write"

This is not accurate. The international illiteracy census is quite more intricate than that. For example, it comprises items that are shared among the industrialized countries -- in addition to standardized reading & writing, it also includes daily/trivial things like finding the expiration date on a credit card, reading street signs, etc. And following this thread on this forum, it wouldn't surprise me that it will soon also include reading the instructions for microwave popcorn.

-- peer

[z12358]

Even if it was a 'fact' (which it is not), maybe it's not like that in Norway, but here you don't come to someone's house, have dinner that their mother cooked and served, and after all that you start reminding them about the fact that their mother is fat.

You were given a few helping hands to get yourself out of the hole that you dug yourself into. Stubbornly, you seem to prefer to keep digging.

Z.

[unklekraker]

yah, i was following this thread and totally forgot that microwave should be set to 2 1/2 minutes in med. setting not high settings...now I got smoked flavor popcorn...anyone want some?

Happy Friday Y'all

[Rob-00BoxsterS]

Originally Posted by unklekraker

yah, i was following this thread and totally forgot that microwave should be set to 2 1/2 minutes in med. setting not high settings...now I got smoked flavor popcorn...anyone want some?

Happy Friday Y'all

LOL. We keep lighting the fuse and you keep blowing it out.

Good job!

Every forum should have a dedicated "Popcorn Popper".

Happy Friday to you also......

[JackG]

Originally Posted by Peer

JackG wrote:
> in the census, people are often asked "Can you read and write"

This is not accurate. The international illiteracy census is quite more intricate than that. For example, it comprises items that are shared among the industrialized countries -- in addition to standardized reading & writing, it also includes daily/trivial things like finding the expiration date on a credit card, reading street signs, etc. And following this thread on this forum, it wouldn't surprise me that it will soon also include reading the instructions for microwave popcorn.

-- peer

You keep missing the point. There is no "international illiteracy census". There is no international standard test to measure illiteracy. Everyone does it their own way, so the results can't be compared on equal footing. Additionally, a simple google search will reveal that the published figures vary all over the place depending on who is publishing them and for what reason they were published.

It's a wonderful thing to be able to read, but even more important is to be able to understand simple concepts.

[unklekraker]

Thanks Rob! I don't mind being the guy who wear red vest serving popcorn or the usher with the flashlight while you guys watch

@Jack..I give you props, dude!

[MNBoxster]

Hi,

I still can't believe I'm on the Sideline on this one...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99