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Timco - one possible way to get through to him perhaps record him talking like a fool and play it over and over again to him... hopefully he will realize for himself that he sounds like a fool. Remember, you can't make anyone change - only themselves can make the change. As a Father myself I feel your pain and I know you only want the best for him.... NEVER GIVE UP - that is one thing I stand behind, because one day all your time and effort will pay off my friend. Stay strong and keep focused as we both know your son if worth every tear and heartache. All the best to you...
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DrCactus
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