Keep your shirt on and lets keep talking!
I never implied that this negotiation process was pristine on the dealer side. What I was trying to illustrate was a process where you could side step this nonsense by acting differently.
Face it, SOME customers and SOME dealers simply out and out lie to each other. Neither side wins in this process and usually, neither one actually ends up making the deal.
If you go back to my post, I am suggesting that you actually articulate what you are willing to pay for the car and why, and that you not make up an absurd number. That is actually what some dealers do, in hopes that some duncecap will pay it. Base YOUR number in reality and make an offer on a car you actually want.
By simply articulating what you are willing to pay and why, you simply END THE GAME.
Then go home and wait. If you made the same offer to 5 dealers and no one took it, then you have some legitimate feedback that this was the wrong offer.
If one took the offer, you have feedback that, you have a car and the other 4 dealers want more money. That makes you a good negotiator.
How is this bad advice?
By the way, dealer 3 is the dealer to deal with, an approach that I take on ALL my vehicles.
Surprisingly, some customers cannot deal with that approach and are still looking for my REAL number.
Go figure!
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Originally Posted by denverpete
In some strange way I get where you are coming from - but I still think the current way of buying cars is absolute crap.
You want me to make a REAL and FAIR offer? Why the hell isn't the vehicle priced REAL and FAIRLY to begin with? Why should my negotiating skill or ability to impress some salesman impact my car value? Why should I have FIND that "dealer number"? Why should I have to show him a REAL offer in my region? If I don't do these things I get screwed? That may be the "way it is" - but it's still crap!
I bought a car for my wife this weekend. I spent a few day researching vehicles and then visited 3 dealers and let each dealer know that for the right price I'll buy the car on the spot. My first dealer offered a vehicle $2500-3500 above anything in the market. After we looked over the car and my wife took it for a drive I asked "what's the lowest price you'd let this go for". I got the "well, the price is on the window - once that's on there - it's pretty much what they are willing to let it go for - but, you know, everything is negotiable." My wife looked at me and knew we weren't buying from this doofus. When I pointed out that his price was way out of line with similar vehicles - I got a repeat of his spiel. As I was leaving he approached my Box and asked for our number, "you know, in case we can make a better deal".
We hit another dealer. I went through the same spiel. He came down in price - but was still way out of line for the vehicle. I told him what I'd take it for and I got the old "that's what we bought it for - my manager will laugh at me - I can sell these all day".... Take your pick. I didn't want to hang around while he "went to bat for me with the manager". I walked.
The next dealer we hit already had the vehicle priced right. He wasn't interested in any negotiations since the vehicle was already a great value (about $5000.00 less than the other dealers and spot on for regional value, mileage, and condition). I purchased the vehicle on the spot contigent upon a mechanic inspection and a new stereo (which my wife gets to pick out).
I think it's interesting that you don't condone the "tactics" listed below - but we as customers have to deal with all the dealer tactics. And let me tell you, I've seen 'em all! Dealers over emphasize the positives (and I use that loosely) of their vehicles - but it's not okay for us to point out the negatives? What's up with that? Play down the poor condition of the purchase vehicle - but make a stink about a tiny scratch on my trade in? Take my keys. Move my car. Run my credit when I tell you I have outside financing....
Yeah - we're the ones who are dishonest.
I mean - IMHO!
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