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Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer
Gee, ya think?
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Hows it going, Patrick? I wondered when you'd take your stab.. been waiting for you for a while now. How are those heels doing?
Honestly I never planned on selling the oil products to those outside our engine program. The continual questions about what oil we use and those begging us to buy it proved that we'd be fools not to offer it.
The reason why I never answered oil questions or made recommendations was because the oil I was using couldn't be purchased.. it comes to me in 5 gallon pails and 55 gallon drums. It took lots of working with our developmental partners to decide if it should be offered and we still haven't decided whether or not we will offer a street oil outside our engine program.
I have several group III oils and a group V as well. At this point we are only selling the break in and pure race oils that are spent after 750 miles of service.
Negativity just like these last couple of posts is to be expected from those who incorrectly believe that everything we do is about profit. Hell, I'd have to sell 25,000 gallons of oil to ever make a dollar off of what we have put into engine oil development since 2006. Oil development is a necessary evil for our program and for our authorized shops to benefit from.
Motul and Redline are both quality oils, some weights are more effective than others. what we have worked to do is create an oil that maintains its characteristics at very high oil temperatures. You'll see why we have done this soon if I decide to share some data that was gathered at 4 different tracks from a test car this summer that used several different oils.
I learned long ago that for my engine program to be successful the engines had to have a lifeblood that complimented the components, clearances and temeprature ranges.Nothing I could buy totally satisfied me, the ones that came closest to having acceptable UOA cost MORE than what our custom formulations cost. We developed that and are willing to share it. Expensive?? Hell yes, so are my engines.
FWIW- IF we do offer a street oil to the public it won't be as expensive as the race oil, probably 10.50/quart or less if bought in 2.5 gallon jugs (a full service fill for an M96 engine). The race oil has a very expensive anti-wear package and is made in small batches due to its custom formula, so its "margin" isn't what one would expect.
The main reason we developed this oil was to have absolute control over the formulations found in the oils.. we got tired of having to do constant virgin oil analysis to find out what had changed in oils from month to month.. we this I have the formula at my disposal and every batch comes with VOA documentation to quantify that.
In the next few weeks I'll be posting an audio interview with Lake Speed of Joe Gibbs Racing oil, a Certified Lubricantion Specialist with the API. After this is posted most questions anyone could ever have will be answered.