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mcgrews3 08-03-2021 09:03 PM

When pushing more HP - impact on drivetrain?
 
For those running turbos and/or swaps - have you had any axle problems? Did you upgrade the drivetrain? Buzz on various forums is that boxsters axles can be weak as they were designed for ~250 HP. Thanks.

Qingdao 08-04-2021 08:38 AM

No problems as of yet.

Tires, driving style, and clutch do a lot to determine transmission longevity. Oh and the most important factor in transmissions... Luck.

ike84 08-05-2021 05:29 PM

Depends on if you're talking the 5 or 6 speed tranny's. 5 speeds, aka 01a, are considered disposable items in euro racing and have a top power rating of somewhere 250-300 ftlbs depending on driving styles. 6 speeds are far more durable though. I've not heard of axle problems for either model but I've not into that much truthfully.

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Escy 08-06-2021 12:24 AM

My 5 speed took 400ft/lb

ike84 08-06-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Escy (Post 640106)
My 5 speed took 400ft/lb

That impressive! How long did it last? And what type of driving? Did you have any clutch issues with that torque?

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Escy 08-06-2021 11:11 PM

Not that long before I upgraded to a 6 speed but I used the car hard, launches, etc and it had an LSD so was putting all the power down. My clutch was an Audi RS4 one (engine was an Audi S4 2.7 bi turbo)

Qingdao 08-07-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Escy (Post 640190)
Not that long before I upgraded to a 6 speed but I used the car hard, launches, etc and it had an LSD so was putting all the power down. My clutch was an Audi RS4 one (engine was an Audi S4 2.7 bi turbo)

I'm using an Audi A4 clutch on my 5 speed, too. No clutch, trans, or shaft issues thus far. Open diff and regular street tires. No nasty launches or hard shifts; that doesn't mean I don't give it the berries every now and again.

ike84 08-08-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Qingdao (Post 640334)
I'm using an Audi A4 clutch on my 5 speed, too. No clutch, trans, or shaft issues thus far. Open diff and regular street tires. No nasty launches or hard shifts; that doesn't mean I don't give it the berries every now and again.

Aren't they the same clutch? If the a4 is a late 90s fwd version, thats the exact same tranny as the 5 speed.

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Qingdao 08-08-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 640479)
Aren't they the same clutch? If the a4 is a late 90s fwd version, thats the exact same tranny as the 5 speed.

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Its a LOT bigger. More contact area. The 5 speed boxster clutch is dual mass and that apparently means you get a lot less gripping surface.

ike84 08-08-2021 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Qingdao (Post 640525)
Its a LOT bigger. More contact area. The 5 speed boxster clutch is dual mass and that apparently means you get a lot less gripping surface.

I'm super confused here and also extremely interested. Our flywheels are dual mass, the clutch disk is single mass.

Do you have the PN for the clutch you're talking about? I would love to see it.

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Qingdao 08-09-2021 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 640547)
I'm super confused here and also extremely interested. Our flywheels are dual mass, the clutch disk is single mass.

Do you have the PN for the clutch you're talking about? I would love to see it.

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Already tossed everything; so no pics..

The Audi clutch gripping surface has a smaller ID; but the same OD. The dual mass clutch has workings and weird stuff happening on the inside of the clutch so the ID is greater and the OD is the same. IDK what the weird duel mass trickery was; didn't take a hard look at it just went strait to the scrap yard. The dual mass clutch's band was about 3cm thick; I'd say the Audi disk is about 4 or 4.5 cm thick.


EDIT:


Damn I was close guessing their thickness... This guy is selling A4 clutches and has a side by side picture.

https://www.europeanpartssolution.com/porsche-986-987-boxster-cayman-5speed-upgraded-clutch-kit

ike84 08-09-2021 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Qingdao (Post 640682)
Already tossed everything; so no pics..



The Audi clutch gripping surface has a smaller ID; but the same OD. The dual mass clutch has workings and weird stuff happening on the inside of the clutch so the ID is greater and the OD is the same. IDK what the weird duel mass trickery was; didn't take a hard look at it just went strait to the scrap yard. The dual mass clutch's band was about 3cm thick; I'd say the Audi disk is about 4 or 4.5 cm thick.

That's really interesting. The only time I've heard of using a sprung clutch disk on these cars was with a single mass lightweight flywheel. This wasn't a popular update for many because that DMF serves as the engines harmonic balancer and deleting it may or may not cause crankshaft failure.

What'd you say killed your original m96 motor? ;)

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Qingdao 08-09-2021 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 640684)
That's really interesting. The only time I've heard of using a sprung clutch disk on these cars was with a single mass lightweight flywheel. This wasn't a popular update for many because that DMF serves as the engines harmonic balancer and deleting it may or may not cause crankshaft failure.

What'd you say killed your original m96 motor? ;)

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IDK about killing your crank... Honestly if I was developing a car and the crankshaft was so fragile that it requires a special flywheel I wouldn't use that crankshaft. IMPO the M96 is a TERRIBLE engine, but thats just me ;)


Don't know and kinda don't care about the original engine from my car; I don't hold the M96 engine in high regards LOL
I was told by the PO it was IMS failure, but the guy I bought the car from ate meth for breakfast like every day for 10 years. He saw the cash in my hand and got a big woody for that next crack rock. LOL :D


All my trash talking aside; my wife had an M96 powered boxster for a couple of years. No IMS, D chunking cylinders, no cracked cylinder walls, or cracked heads so IDK.

ike84 08-09-2021 07:55 PM

I remembered that it wasn't you that fried the original motor, that's why I teased about it.

I don't think guys are talking about it much any more but a few years ago when far more racers were involved in the forum, there were a lot of debates about the single mass lightweight flywheel and sprung clutch disk. The harmonic balancing is just another weird thing about these motors. I'm with you, I feel more like the m96 was the result of cutting as many corners as possible. Or maybe they were just over confident in their engine design capabilities. Who knows.

Still interesting though your observations about the a4 clutch. Please share of you every stumble across that part number for comparison.

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PaulE 08-11-2021 02:27 PM

Here is a thread from a while back documenting an LS Swap into a Boxster S. My recollection is the half shafts weren't up to drag racing starts, but that they worked fine if he didn't dump the clutch at high rpms.

Qingdao 08-11-2021 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulE (Post 640798)
Here is a thread from a while back documenting an LS Swap into a Boxster S. My recollection is the half shafts weren't up to drag racing starts, but that they worked fine if he didn't dump the clutch at high rpms.

I feel like CV angle has a lot to do with axle failure. I'm not 100% sure but I think I didn't move my trans as far back as the V8 guys do; which saves me from CV axle issues.


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