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geekdaddy 04-28-2020 03:36 AM

RMS, IMS, or other leak?
 
In the midst of a clutch replacement and am doing the IMS, RMS, etc. It's a 99 Box with about 42K miles. I purchased it about 18 mos ago with 39K miles on it. Has been running great so far.

I pulled the trans and flywheel. The engine has a lot of grime on the engine/trans underside and inside the trans bell housing. I expected to see obvious leaking from the RMS or IMS seal. See photos of the bell housing, and of the IMS/RMS. Where do you think the leak is originating from that's causing all the grimy buildup?

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78F350 04-28-2020 04:06 AM

I bet that it's the IMS flange seal. That's how one of my '99s looked and the RMS was still good at about 127k miles. My leak was bad enough that it would leave an oil spot under the car and the bearing itself still looked good when we replaced it with a LN dual row. Still, get a good look at the input shaft on the transmission before it all goes back together.

geekdaddy 04-28-2020 08:27 AM

Additional pic with throw out bearing and fork removed. Still not sure but perhaps a mainshaft seal leak?

Also looks like my pilot bearing is stuck on the shaft in stead of the flywheel.

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78F350 04-28-2020 09:54 AM

The transmission is very similar to the 01E transmission used in Audis and a few VWs. If you can't find much Boxster specific stuff there's more on the 01E if you are looking at seals or bearings in general.
stuff like this https://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/threads/28360.phtml

geekdaddy 04-28-2020 11:36 AM

THANK YOU -- that was helpful! I'll inspect and likely replace the input shaft seal.
I was wrong about the pilot bearing -- it's still in the flywheel.
I popped it out and it looks to be in good condition although I will put a fresh one on.

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Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 616138)
The transmission is very similar to the 01E transmission used in Audis and a few VWs. If you can't find much Boxster specific stuff there's more on the 01E if you are looking at seals or bearings in general.
stuff like this https://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/threads/28360.phtml


elgyqc 04-28-2020 01:58 PM

The RMS and IMS seals look great compared to mine. I'd say that oil seepage is from the transmission side as you suggested.

Rickvd 04-28-2020 06:48 PM

just curious did you observe the cam shaft deviations before you started, and what did the visual inspection of the removed ims show? Mine is an 04 S, tiptronic with just over 40k miles. Rick

geekdaddy 04-29-2020 03:38 AM

Not yet -- haven't locked down the crank/cams. Waiting for the tool.

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Originally Posted by Rickvd (Post 616155)
just curious did you observe the cam shaft deviations before you started, and what did the visual inspection of the removed ims show? Mine is an 04 S, tiptronic with just over 40k miles. Rick


geekdaddy 05-02-2020 02:14 PM

Whoops I didn't read your question correctly. I don't have a durametric so not checking them.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickvd (Post 616155)
just curious did you observe the cam shaft deviations before you started, and what did the visual inspection of the removed ims show? Mine is an 04 S, tiptronic with just over 40k miles. Rick


Rickvd 05-02-2020 07:07 PM

No problem. Mine has the original ims and I am monitoring the cam deviations as an indicator of ims health so just curious. Still interested in you evaluation of the old ims when you get it out. Have a great weekend.

pilot4fn 05-02-2020 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickvd (Post 616343)
No problem. Mine has the original ims and I am monitoring the cam deviations as an indicator of ims health so just curious. Still interested in you evaluation of the old ims when you get it out. Have a great weekend.

What would be the limit for cam deviation to be concerned of possible IMS issue?
I have durametric and will check this out - even though oil filter inspection by cutting it open is very clean.

JFP in PA 05-03-2020 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pilot4fn (Post 616347)
What would be the limit for cam deviation to be concerned of possible IMS issue?
I have durametric and will check this out - even though oil filter inspection by cutting it open is very clean.

+/- 6 degrees.

pilot4fn 05-03-2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 616356)
+/- 6 degrees.

Thanks JFP!

Rickvd 05-03-2020 07:03 PM

When you graph the cam deviations if they are jumping around that is an issue. I have a copy of an article from a vibration analyst I can send if you are interested.

Rickvd 05-03-2020 07:06 PM

The article is here Good Vibrations
Interesting reading. Rick

pilot4fn 05-04-2020 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickvd (Post 616389)
When you graph the cam deviations if they are jumping around that is an issue. I have a copy of an article from a vibration analyst I can send if you are interested.

Thanks Rick, Interesting reading.
Later on this week I'll check the cam deviation and especially if those are jumping around.


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