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kiyakubuke 12-17-2014 07:56 PM

Tires
 
About time to put some new shoes on the boxster. what are your experiences and/or recommendations. the previous owner had continentals on the back and eagle gt on the front.

Flavor 987S 12-18-2014 05:15 AM

Don't mix and match tires. All the same on all 4 corners.

How do you intend to use the car?

Great tires include:

Michelin Super Sports
Michelin PS2's
Yoko AD08R

steved0x 12-18-2014 06:16 AM

And great budget summer tires are the Sumitomo HTR Z III and the Hankook Ventus V12 Evo.

kiyakubuke 12-18-2014 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavor 987S (Post 428670)
Don't mix and match tires. All the same on all 4 corners.

How do you intend to use the car?

Great tires include:

Michelin Super Sports
Michelin PS2's
Yoko AD08R

yeah, I'm not a big fan of mixing and matching. but that is how I bought it. I will certainly match them up when I replace.
it is a daily driver, live in the south, so on the rare occasion that it snows I will drive my truck.
I was looking at that model Yoko. I can get 4 for $1000 installed, with a free alignment.

Flavor 987S 12-18-2014 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kiyakubuke (Post 428680)
I was looking at that model Yoko. I can get 4 for $1000 installed, with a free alignment.

The Yoko AD08R is a great tire. High performance. Stiff sidewall. Excellent turn-in. Very sticky. You can autocross and DE this tire too, so you can drive to the event, and drive it home. No tire changes needed. OK in the rain (not as good as the Michelins) and OK for noise.

bwillia080261 12-18-2014 06:38 AM

I just put a set of staggered 18" Goodyear F1 Assymetrics on mine. This is my second set of these. I also have a set of these on my Z4 M in staggered 19". What I like about these is how quiet they are. Also they are wearing so much better than the Continental DWS's I had previously. Also they corner very well indeed. The only downside is they seem to be a little fussy to balance. Took a couple of times.
Good luck

kiyakubuke 12-18-2014 06:55 AM

related note
 
I have a compressor and a inflator with a pressure gauge that I use to check and fill our tires. temps can vary a lot here in TN, 60 one day, 25 the next etc.. so we have to keep a good check on them. the boxster was riding like the tires were under inflated so I check and they were good. later, my wife said here Mercedes tire pressure warning was popping up. checked her tires and they were good. so I dug out my old tire gauge to double check. apparently the gauge on my inflator is off about 10 psi. both cars ride much better now.
moral of the story, always get a second opinion.

KRAM36 12-18-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bwillia080261 (Post 428684)
I just put a set of staggered 18" Goodyear F1 Assymetrics on mine. This is my second set of these. I also have a set of these on my Z4 M in staggered 19". What I like about these is how quiet they are. Also they are wearing so much better than the Continental DWS's I had previously. Also they corner very well indeed. The only downside is they seem to be a little fussy to balance. Took a couple of times.
Good luck

The Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 2 is what I'm going with except in 19"

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+F1+Asy mmetric+2&partnum=63YR9F1A2XL&vehicleSearch=false& fromCompare1=yes

lkchris 12-18-2014 06:48 PM

I'd see what the cost is without the "free" and likely unneeded alignment.

JayG 12-18-2014 07:35 PM

Hankook Ventus V12 Evo2

Great price, great performance. I have had them for a few months now and am very happy.
Haven't done an AX with them yet, but lots of back road spirited drives

Beer 12-19-2014 03:03 AM

Ditto on the Hank00ks. I bought a set from TireRack, $570 delivered. Quiet and sticky.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JayG (Post 428775)
Hankook Ventus V12 Evo2

Great price, great performance. I ave had them for a few months now and am very happy.
Haven'tr done an AX with them yet, but lots of back road spirited drives


Topless 12-19-2014 05:48 AM

Daily driver? Now what points are important to you and we can narrow the field some.

* Regular use below 40 F ambient? All season
* Extra long life? All season
* Wet grip?
* Dry grip?
* Road noise and comfort?
* Low price?

No tire does everything well so prioritize these points and we can offer the best suggestions to meet your needs. If your car has not been aligned in the last year or two I recommend having it done. It will pay for itself in added tire life.

kiyakubuke 12-19-2014 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topless (Post 428798)
Daily driver? Now what points are important to you and we can narrow the field some.

* Regular use below 40 F ambient? All season
* Extra long life? All season
* Wet grip?
* Dry grip?
* Road noise and comfort?
* Low price?

No tire does everything well so prioritize these points and we can offer the best suggestions to meet your needs. If your car has not been aligned in the last year or two I recommend having it done. It will pay for itself in added tire life.

Damn, I thought I had put all that in my original post. another pitfall of getting old :(

this is my daily driver, I live in Nashville, TN so we don't get many days below freezing. winter daily temps are usually in the 40's.
we do get quite a bit of rain, but rarely snow or ice, and on those days I would drive the truck.
basically want something that rides well, decent grip (especially in rain) and decent life. I don't really care about the cost, but if I could keep it under $300 per tire (maybe $350 for rear) that would be great.

Topless 12-19-2014 06:44 AM

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeCo ntact+DWS&frontTire=05WR7ECDWSXL&rearTire=54WR7ECD WS&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Po rsche&autoYear=2003&autoModel=Boxster+S&autoModCla r=&fromTDGResults=true&autoMake=Porsche&autoYear=2 003&autoModel=Boxster+S&autoModClar=

I'd look hard at these. Good grip and road manners, good in low temps. Last long time.

kiyakubuke 12-19-2014 07:01 AM

That is what I have on the rear now. came on the car, so no idea what the milage is, but I have put about 10K miles on them. I like the look of them too.

very sticky on dry roads.

bwillia080261 12-19-2014 07:13 AM

I hear what you are saying here but even the guy at Discount Tire here in town remarked how badly the DWS's wear in the middle and that has been my experience also. I cannot recommend them from first hand experience. Shame too because I love Continental tires in general.

thstone 12-19-2014 07:35 AM

I'm with Flav on this - In my experience, the best all around street tires (dry, wet, noise, wear) were Michelin Super Sports or Michelin PS2's. They are kind of expensive but some how do all of those things pretty well.

Topless 12-19-2014 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwillia080261 (Post 428819)
I hear what you are saying here but even the guy at Discount Tire here in town remarked how badly the DWS's wear in the middle and that has been my experience also. I cannot recommend them from first hand experience. Shame too because I love Continental tires in general.

Wear in the middle is usually overinflation. I have several friends who DD their Boxsters and like these tires a lot, but no tire suits everyone. There are other brands in the same tire class that offer similar performance from Michelin, Pirelli, and Hankook.

You should expect to get around 20k miles if you DD these Contis with proper inflation and alignment. I get about 5k miles on my Hankook RS-3s but it is mostly canyon carving and track work. Very different objectives.

Topless 12-19-2014 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 428824)
I'm with Flav on this - In my experience, the best all around street tires (dry, wet, noise, wear) were Michelin Super Sports or Michelin PS2's. They are kind of expensive but some how do all of those things pretty well.

I like the grip and road manners of those in SoCal too. They don't work so well in low temps below 50F ambient and don't last very long compared to an A/S tire though. These were important points to the OP. Lots of tires, lots of choices and there are always tradeoffs.

ekam 12-19-2014 08:13 AM

ZII Star Spec.

woodsman 12-19-2014 12:07 PM

Michelin Super Sport. I've just put 30KM(19mi) on my rears. I drive fast. Can't believe the stick and wear rate.

njbray 12-19-2014 01:41 PM

My car came with new Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position and they are pretty darn good. Done a lot of hard twisties and the stick like a tick on a dog! I am in socal so do not have to worry about rain too much - but they have been good so far.
Not that expensive either (in 17" sizes). Thy look good too and have a wide edge to keep the wheels away from kerbs.

BYprodriver 12-19-2014 02:06 PM

Unless you want "Ultra Hi-perf" Michelin AS 3

com3dorm3 12-19-2014 07:38 PM

If highest street performance on the dry is what you want, then these:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/types/extremeperf.jsp

stephen wilson 12-20-2014 05:34 AM

I had the Conti DWS on my wife's car, the tread squirms way too much for my liking, and dry handling.

Gelbster 12-20-2014 09:31 AM

A bit like "which oil?" but here is a different perspective:
I cringe when people say 'I live in a dry area so wet road grip isn't a priority'. I live in an ultra dry area but when it rains the accumulated oil/diesel+water is treacherously slick ,particularly on asphalt. If you use ultra high performance summer tires in such conditions - it will feel like you are on slicks. The Tire Rack test videos show the wet road test - it is just water -no oily/diesel residue. If you watch/compare the best wet road grip tires performance in the dry ,there is very little sacrifice . But the other way round ,the penalty can be severe.
The 'Spider Charts' at Tire Rack are useful to figure out the trade-offs:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/spiderChart.jsp?ttid=194
For example, Yokohama had a slight edge in Dry but was a dud in the Wet. Pirelli P Zero was almost as good, in the Dry - but way,way better in Wet. YEMV
Fast+wet is when you'll need the best compromise, not fast+dry (for normal road driving)

mikefocke 12-20-2014 11:32 AM

Back many years ago, just as it started to rain, I was trying to negotiate a reverse camber (slopes away from the inside of the curve) ninety degree turn at only 20 MPH and found myself sliding towards another car and the front end of my VW type 4 folded up in front of my eyes. After incident analysis said that the tires were at fault. I had bought the car less than a week before and the tires looked good. Picked up the car a day later at night and didn't reinspect. Dealer had switched tires. Yes the type and condition of tires makes a difference and a curve is where oil get deposited over the weeks between rains.

Also go look at the stopping distances of varying tread depths in a good rain. The difference between a new tire and one worn down to 2/32 (legal limit in many states) in a test on a water soaked surface was an almost doubling of stopping distance! 4/32 deep tires took about 50% longer to stop than new tires.

New - 195 feet

4/32 - 290 feet

2/32 - 378 feet

Even more startling to me is that on a 2/32 tire, in stopping tests in the wet from 70MPH, the new tire would have stopped the car where the worn tire would only have slowed the car to 55MPH!!!! 4/32 would only have slowed the car to 45!!!!

Gelbster 12-20-2014 12:30 PM

Wet grip/worn tire best=Michelin Premier All Season
 
Mike raises an interesting point about deteriorating wet road grip with worn tires. Such tires would grip just fine in the dry.
New tread groove profile in the Micheline Premier A/S reduces the rate of wet-grip deterioration with tread wear. The "Evergrip" design is not offered in M.Pilot-Sport unfortunately.
Tests Reveal the Michelin Premier A/S Tire Doesn

amagalla 12-23-2014 12:16 PM

I had these tire on my 18" carrera lights and I liked them alot, till they aged. They started getting really noisy. It was a pain to drive like that.

JayG 12-23-2014 12:21 PM

i have Michelin AS-3's on our Targa and they are noisy as hell on grooved concrete freeways

RBatsch 12-23-2014 05:23 PM

Interesting thread since I recently bought a Boxster and it will need new tires in the Spring. I've had some experience with the Goodyear F1s on my SAAB Viggen and I would never have considered them for my Boxster. I was happy with them for the first few months but as they wear they get loud...really loud. They ride much harsher than the Michelins (PS2s or PSSs which I currently have one the Viggen), and lose their wet performance capabilities very quickly and don't handle that well. Perhaps they'll do better on the Boxster they did on my Viggen but I'm not taking that chance!

kk2002s 12-24-2014 05:05 AM

Car came with Sumitomo HTR ZIII - I put 24k miles on the rears before I replaced. Probably 5k more than I should have. Fronts still good

All new tires need break in but what one also needs to be aware of is going from little tread (worn tires) to full tread.
There is a big handling difference. The worn tires performed much more like slicks as far as minimal squirm. The new tires, with full tread, have a bit more squirm factor because of full tread. So new tires, same tire, will perform different verses Worn

smcintyre6492 12-24-2014 06:38 AM

PS2 vs. A/S3
 
My situation is very similar to the OP's: 2004 Boxster, daily driver, live in Central Texas, so very hot summers; not a lot of rain but as a result, when it does rain, the roads can get very slick; snow once every few years, a few freezing days each year, otherwise 40's are common in the winter.

I bought the car with Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s on it, have gone with the same each time I've had to replace them, and have been very happy with them other than having to shell out a grand each time. It is that time again, and I'm torn between the PS2 or the Michelin A/S 3. The A/S 3's are 2/3 the cost of the PS2s, have 2x the tread life, and will presumably be better in the occasional cold/wet (not that I've had any real complaint with the PS2s in the cold/wet). So, how much would I be giving up in terms of dry performance, ride quality, noise, etc.? Anyone had experience with both of these?


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