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sifuran 01-18-2006 07:36 PM

heavy 19 rims
 
fixing to buy 19 wheels by antera i think they are heavy but i like them .can anybody tell me if t u had 19 and what effect u had on accelaration and take off and over all handling.

Adam 01-18-2006 07:59 PM

Don't do it Randy! 18's are a perfect blend of asthestics and funtion in my honest opinion. Get some light 18's man. Even the expert Porsche drivers say 18's are better from a perfomance standpoint. Just ask Walter Rohle. 19's are approaching bling bling territory. You don't want your car to be all wheel right? Talk to you later bud!

BrianD. 01-18-2006 08:57 PM

RE: 19 in wheels
 
Like the guy said, stick with 18's. If you're concerned about weight, shoot for a pound per inch, plus or minmus a pound. You must also consider the kind of roads and driving you do. With more wheel diameter, the less section width you normally have in your tire, leaving little margin for wheel damage from road hazards. :cheers:

Perfectlap 01-19-2006 10:26 AM

Very important to get the proper off set. Getting it wrong can damage your wheel bearings and those things are $500 a wheel. Avoid spacers unless you go to a Porsche specialist.
My advice, stick with Porsche Factory wheels like the legendary 18" Carrera 5 spokes voted the coolest wheels ever. If you want to fill up the wheel well get some bigger rubber like 245 up front and 275 in the rear. And add some side skirting for lowered look without having to actually lower the car.

KRZTACO 01-19-2006 11:22 AM

Rims
 
I have 19x8.5 in the Front and 19x10's in the Rear

The 19's look sick, and ride great, no complaints.

I use my 18 inch Turbo twists for Track weekends and auto crossing. The 18's handle better.


It is what it is.....now you decide.

KRZ

sifuran 01-19-2006 08:21 PM

19 rims,NOT
 
thank u my fellow boxsterers I agree THE 18" wheels will have the look and the

preformance for that car COMBINED.I WILL CHECK IF THAT ANTERA COMES IN 18".

IT IS GOOD TO BE PART OF SUCH GROUP.

Adam 01-19-2006 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfectlap
My advice, stick with Porsche Factory wheels like the legendary 18" Carrera 5 spokes voted the coolest wheels ever.

Randy, you got my email right? 9 out of 10 Porschephiles like the 18" Carrera lights. My owners manual says these are a 24lbs less than the standard 17's man! How can you to wrong with bigger and lighter. Plus, they look dead sexy....IMO. these rims are my favorite option on my car. There is no substitute for these babies!
http://media.racingflix.com/awais/pd/8.jpg

fefyfo 01-20-2006 04:56 AM

How do you guys feel about the Sport Techno vs. Carreras? Both 18" and look great on the box.

MikenOH 01-20-2006 05:46 AM

I think Jeph on this board bought a replica set..
 
of the Carrera 5 spokes off Ebay for under $1K; a few pounds heavier per wheel than the real ones but I'm guessing 1/2 the price.

Attached is a jpg of the wheels.

RandallNeighbour 01-20-2006 06:41 AM

Um, about a 1/4 of the price from the parts department, 1/2 the price from Ernie's Alloys in FL. :eek:

I'm gettin' me some of those aftermarket Carreras a couple of weeks after my birthday in March.

Perfectlap 01-20-2006 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fefyfo
How do you guys feel about the Sport Techno vs. Carreras? Both 18" and look great on the box.

Those wheels always look good in the photos but look a little dated in person. They aren't a classic Porsche look like Fuchs and Carrera 5 spokes so they fall in that not really aftermarket but sorta an aftermarket look category.

as far as aftermarket My second favorite wheels are the BBS RS GT mesh wheels in Brilliant Silver. Porsche and BBS are can't lose combination. Too bad the RS GT's cost as much as my first car.
come to think of it I might like the BBS wheels more than 5 spokes, but they almost look too good, like you notice the wheels more than the car.

Cold Warrior 04-15-2006 11:39 PM

Y'all might find this of some interest. I swiped it from another board. The weights are in kg and the first numerical column is the total for 2 fronts and 2 rears. BTW, the weights for the Volks are exactly what I measured using a bathroom scale.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/Wheel%20Weights.jpg

CW

mjw930 04-16-2006 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfectlap
as far as aftermarket My second favorite wheels are the BBS RS GT mesh wheels in Brilliant Silver. Porsche and BBS are can't lose combination. Too bad the RS GT's cost as much as my first car.
come to think of it I might like the BBS wheels more than 5 spokes, but they almost look too good, like you notice the wheels more than the car.

I happen to like the RS-GT's in the black chrome :D And yes, they are not cheap but they are almost half the price of most of the 3 piece modulars or one piece forged wheels by Kinesis, Fikse or Champion.

I REALY like the Sport Techno's on the Cayenne and I'm growing a fondness for them on the Boxster. When I get my Pepper I might just have to get matching wheels :eek:

KronixSpeed 04-17-2006 10:05 AM

19z
 
well if you go with an 18inch rim, you would put a 18X235/35 Front and the rear would be 18X265/30. i swear the 19z would be the exact same rubber, well in a 19 inch tire. so why would it be a harsher drive. i have 19inch rims with front
19X235/35 and rear 19X275/30. i would think that the car would drive exactly the same as a 18 inch rim or a 19 inch rim. if you plan to go aftermarket, it would be dumb to go with an 18inch rim. aftermarket rims....look for light weight yes, and 19z. if i had put 18z i would of been really pissed. 19z do not take away from the look of the car. it really isn't all that bling.

19z look amazing, makes the car look real mean not pretty.............

n if you want your car to look really good, make sure you get a rim with atleast a 2inch lip....looks really good.

986Jim 04-17-2006 12:35 PM

What size wheel do you have on your car now? If they are 16 or 17" your gonna feel a huge loss of power when you put such a heavy wheel on the car.. Remember unsprung weight (wheels/tires/brakes, suspension) it's quite critical to have lightweight components on the car for best performance.

If you notice stock we have aluminum control arms etc.. Porsche did this to decrease unsprung weight at all costs, then you ruin it with 19's from Antera. It will be along the lines of a 10-20whp loss because of all the added rotating weight. Not a good idea.

Going from a 17" 29lbs wheel to a 15" 11.5lbs racing wheel on my GTI took about 3/10ths off the car int he 1/4 from 13.5 to 13.2. Thats a lot considering the car was already going mid 13's then to low 13's just from weight on the wheels. You could expect a full half to .75 seconds slower in the quarter and say 1 second slower 0-60.

Just a guesstimate of course, but it's not gonna be pretty either way.

KronixSpeed 04-17-2006 01:03 PM

19z i say
 
well just to debate.....so you are saying that my stock 17 / 255 / 45 rear and 17 / 205 / 50 front would be faster then the car sitting on 19 / 275 / 30 rear and 19 / 235 / 35. lets just say that the rims were the exact same weight. i'm not sure that it would make a big difference.....unless i take the car to a track....which a boxster might not be my first choice of car to ruin on a track.....i would not suggest my set up for racing....but still pretty dam fast....raced a 350z and the car kept up, if not faster.......................

mjw930 04-17-2006 05:32 PM

Kronix,

Check your tire sizes. Proper sizing is

225/40x18 - 265/35x18
225/35x19 - 265/30x18

Stick with those and you'll get the optimum performance. Your car isn't designed for super fat rubber. Besides, bigger = heavier and heavier = slower, both in a straight line and around a corner.

If you're going to customize then do it right. Don't turn the Boxster into a "Ricer" :barf:

986Jim 04-17-2006 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KronixSpeed
well just to debate.....so you are saying that my stock 17 / 255 / 45 rear and 17 / 205 / 50 front would be faster then the car sitting on 19 / 275 / 30 rear and 19 / 235 / 35. lets just say that the rims were the exact same weight. i'm not sure that it would make a big difference.....unless i take the car to a track....which a boxster might not be my first choice of car to ruin on a track.....i would not suggest my set up for racing....but still pretty dam fast....raced a 350z and the car kept up, if not faster.......................

The thing is you will never get the same weight to start, and secondly the inertia to turn a larger wheel even with a smaller tire of the same weight takes more power.

To get a 19" thats the same weight as a 17" would take Magnesium wheels which are about $5000 for a set, even then I dont think they could weigh what a normal aluminum 17" does really. Besides he is talking about buying antera's which are heavy ass wheels. You'll be adding 10lbs a corner easily over the stock setup. Thats gonna soak up a crap load of Hp.

smith12895 04-17-2006 07:34 PM

So what about in my case? If I, with the optional 19" carrera classic wheels, raced and identical 987, only with the standard 17" wheels, they would out accelerate me? :eek:

mjw930 04-18-2006 05:53 PM

Probably.......

Chris C Atlanta 04-19-2006 06:57 PM

I have champion monolites (RS97)in 19" and they are lighter than most 18s (20/21 lbs in 8/9.5")

Finallygottaporsche 04-19-2006 08:36 PM

986 Jim is totally right on this one. anyone who disagrees can buy heavy wheels and pretend that their car doesnt drive like crap. cars like miatas, elises, boxsters are designed with minimal unsprung weight.

the car will be slower and not handle as nimbly. imagine running with ankle weights on.

BuffaloBoxster 04-20-2006 05:16 AM

Turst me you will notice the difference in a heavy wheel compared to a light wheel. I learned that lesson the hard way on my Acura RSX.

Don' buy rims for looks and expect better performance. You're only going to get better performance from a lighter or wider rim.

If you go wider but not lighter, acceleration will be negatively impacted while your car may have more stick in the corners.

Something to think about.

And as regard the ride, a shorter sidewall (say 18" vs 19" rim) is always going to be stiffer and this worse in ride quality.

KronixSpeed 04-20-2006 07:25 AM

Well Obviously
 
Weight is obviously a concern, but none of you answered the question, and probably just doesnt cut it.......... "So what about in my case? If I, with the optional 19" carrera classic wheels, raced and identical 987, only with the standard 17" wheels, they would out accelerate me?" this is what we are talking about. if the weight stays the same (17 inch rim weighting 21 pounds and a 19 inch rim weightin 21 pounds) the car should not lack performance. wider tires that come on a 19 inch rim should give better handling. i have 19s with a 275 rubber on the back and let me tell you the car has not lost any performance. now if we are tracking the car, then yes 19s are just dumb.

smith12895 04-20-2006 08:32 AM

Are the carrera classic 19" and the standard Boxster II 17" wheels the same weight? Where can I find the actual weights of Porsche wheels? I have found a few threads and websites with some, but not an up-to-date comprehensive list.

SD987 04-20-2006 08:54 AM

Standard 987 17" wheels are 18 - 6 (18lbs 6 oz) on the front, 19 - 13 on the rear.

Standard 987 18" S wheels are 21 - 11 and 22 - 14.

Your 19" Carrera Classics are 23 - 10 and 26 - 8.

smith12895 04-20-2006 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD987
Standard 987 17" wheels are 18 - 6 (18lbs 6 oz) on the front, 19 - 13 on the rear.

Standard 987 18" S wheels are 21 - 11 and 22 - 14.

Your 19" Carrera Classics are 23 - 10 and 26 - 8.


Thanks for the info! :cheers:

KronixSpeed 04-20-2006 02:02 PM

nice
 
okay lets just say (because my rear stock is probably heavier then these stats)my rear is 22.7lbs and my front is 20.3 and my 19z inch rims
are 1 pound heavier which is the case...my rear is about 23-4 pounds.....do you really think that my car is slower then a stock car sitting on 17z.....are u kindding me....we need someone with experience......not someone who post, just to pass brucelee who comments on anything and everything.........

Porsche Boxter Cast 17x7 20.3
Porsche Boxter Cast 17x8.5 22.7

seeeu

RandallNeighbour 04-21-2006 06:04 AM

Kronix, BruceLee (Richard) OWNS this web site. He gets to post as much as he likes, on any topic he likes.

Open mouth, remove foot.

KronixSpeed 04-24-2006 10:37 AM

foot never in mouth!!
 
lol...that explains alot.....not the first time i have commented on mr. bruce lee. i think he's a smart guy and can handle the criticism i bring his way.

foot never in mouth,

try again.

mjw930 04-24-2006 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KronixSpeed
okay lets just say (because my rear stock is probably heavier then these stats)my rear is 22.7lbs and my front is 20.3 and my 19z inch rims
are 1 pound heavier which is the case...my rear is about 23-4 pounds.....do you really think that my car is slower then a stock car sitting on 17z.....are u kindding me....we need someone with experience......not someone who post, just to pass brucelee who comments on anything and everything.........

Porsche Boxter Cast 17x7 20.3
Porsche Boxter Cast 17x8.5 22.7

seeeu

Gee, I don't know if I have enough experience to comment and I'm not about to post my Curriculum Vitae but I'll reiterate the comments I've already made in this thread. Lighter unsprung weight allows more power to be used accelerating the car rather than the wheels/tires. It's simple physics. Whether you will be able to feel 1 lb is questionable. On a street car I seriously doubt it.

BuffaloBoxster 04-25-2006 05:14 AM

You might not feel that small a difference on the street, but you'll definately feel three or four pounds per corner. I'd bet that on a racetrack if I ran my Box with both sets of wheels back to back there'd be a noticable difference in lap times.


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