Raced a 330I - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

natecooper · 01-11-2006, 10:18 AM

My boss has an 2002 Z3 3.0i and we race all the time (I have an 01 Boxster 2.7). He consistently beats the pants off of me in a strait line. Dending on the year of the 330 it's probably the same engine. Factor in that the 330 has more weight than the Z3, and the 99' has less HP than the 01' and that sounds about right.

However, when he borrows my car and comes back he's always pissed off that he didn't get a boxster because of how it handles.

TriGem2k · 01-12-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by natecooper

My boss has an 2002 Z3 3.0i and we race all the time (I have an 01 Boxster 2.7). He consistently beats the pants off of me in a strait line. Dending on the year of the 330 it's probably the same engine. Factor in that the 330 has more weight than the Z3, and the 99' has less HP than the 01' and that sounds about right.

However, when he borrows my car and comes back he's always pissed off that he didn't get a boxster because of how it handles.

Im suprised....Ive gone up against a Z4 3.0 and didnt have a problem with it. It was close to about 50mph then i started to pull...

blinkwatt · 01-12-2006, 10:52 PM

What type of transmissions are you guys using?

natecooper · 01-13-2006, 06:25 AM

We both have 5 speed manuals. His is 225HP, I believe, and mine is 217HP. Truth be told, "beats the pants off of me" is a bit of an exageration, but he does consistenty get about half a car lenth ahead of me when we go 0-70. I've driven both cars many times and his does have some very peppy low end torque that the 01' Boxster doesn't have. And although it is NOT an M series Z3 (which has a 3.2 liter 333HP tear your head off engine), I do wonder if it was some sort of 'special edition' with maybe an extra 15HP or something for a couple of reasons:

1. It has an M logo on the steering wheel and on the shifter.
2. It was the last production year for the Z3 and I wonder if they spiced it up a bit to keep them selling when people knew the Z4 was around the corner.
3. I've also driven a few 3.0i Z4's and they were not as fast off of a straitline as his 02' Z3.

Either way, they are both great cars.

MNBoxster · 01-13-2006, 09:44 AM

Hi,

No Offense, but when two Cars are That evenly matched, it often comes down to the Drivers. In '04 Shuey wasn't just driving the Fastest Car

. Someone is getting just a little more from their machine. Your Car's HP peaks at 6k RPM, if you are shifting Early or Late, you're giving something up to him. Either that, or he has a little Tweak which he's just forgotten to mention

...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

natecooper · 01-13-2006, 10:21 AM

I thought the same thing, until we switched cars and had the exact same results. I can get about half a car length ahead of him if I'm driving the Z3. If you drive a Z3 3.0, a Z4 3.0, and a 01' Boxster you will feel a very small, but noticeable, difference and the Z3 will feel a slight quicker than the others. At least that has been my expierience with my car, his car, and a few test driven Z4's.

TriGem2k · 01-13-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by natecooper

I thought the same thing, until we switched cars and had the exact same results. I can get about half a car length ahead of him if I'm driving the Z3. If you drive a Z3 3.0, a Z4 3.0, and a 01' Boxster you will feel a very small, but noticeable, difference and the Z3 will feel a slight quicker than the others. At least that has been my expierience with my car, his car, and a few test driven Z4's.

He does have 214lbs of torque at 3500rpms....That may be it...I'm gonna try and find a Z3 this weekend to play around with...

nastyboxster · 01-13-2006, 11:01 AM

I have to agree that it depends on the driver. When they post 0-60 results, it's on the average time of a good driver. One slip of the clutch could be 1/2 second already. Drag racing on the street is not the best use for the potential of the car. You should go the track and/or autocross. The boxster should do very well, especially on autocross.

MNBoxster · 01-13-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nastyboxster

... When they post 0-60 results, it's on the average time of a good driver...

Hi,

Actually, when a Manufacturer does Testing for Publishable Stats, they optimize everything in their Favor. A friend works with Lambo's US Advertising Agency and was present when Lambo did the Testing for the Mucielago.

They had the Car at Monza for a week. Removed all interior panels, the Passenger seat and sideview Mirrors, ran an upgraded ECU and Intake/Exhaust on Race Rubber with no more than 8 Ltrs. of fuel.

Giancarlo Fisichella, the former Bennetton F1 Driver performed the Tests. They ran in the Morning - when Air Resistance was highest, but Track Temps were lowest and in the afternoon when the opposite conditions existed until they got the best numbers they could find, which then went on to be published. BTW, they blew 3 motors in the process! The same is true of Aerodynamics Testing, all exterior appendages are removed (Side Mirrors, Rain Gutters, Antenae, Flaps, etc.) and the Car is lowered before the Wind Tunnel Testing begins.

You have to remember, it takes $$$$ to bring a new design to Market. The Manufacturers need to get figures which at worst compete, or at best exceed those of their competitors. You can't Market a DUD.

All the figures published in all the Car Mags are optimized (ever notice how the Mag Staff rarely approaches these numbers?) and you won't ever achieve them with a Stock - Off-the-Lot Car no matter how Good you are...

Happy Motoring... Jim'99