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geraintthomas 12-19-2016 02:53 AM

So just to clarify, all I'd need to purchase is a 997 75mm throttle body, fit this onto the manifold and the throttle body, and fit the existing intake tube onto the other end of the throttle body? Sorry, seemed to be a couple of things that have changed on this page and the previous page in terms of tubing!

mavis.d 12-19-2016 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geraintthomas (Post 520014)
So just to clarify, all I'd need to purchase is a 997 75mm throttle body, fit this onto the manifold and the throttle body, and fit the existing intake tube onto the other end of the throttle body? Sorry, seemed to be a couple of things that have changed on this page and the previous page in terms of tubing!

You will need a Throttle Body and larger intake tube and bends from the MAF to the T/Body. I still have to tidy up the pipework but if you look at my running report in Boxa.net there's a couple of pics. If I'm not too delicate after Christmas tipple on Tuesday I might sort it out then
http://www.boxa.net/forum/index.php?/topic/61193-mavisd-running-report/

Ben006 12-19-2016 03:18 PM

You can't reuse the stock intake tube since it's made for a 68mm TB, the 74mm won't fit inside!

Making an intake tube is just a matter of assembling an aluminum tube and two silicon coupleurs :)

Mavis, we can't see the page :/

mavis.d 12-20-2016 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 520088)
You can't reuse the stock intake tube since it's made for a 68mm TB, the 74mm won't fit inside!

Making an intake tube is just a matter of assembling an aluminum tube and two silicon couplers :)

Mavis, we can't see the page :/

As you can see from the second pic the angle needs to tidied up. The aluminum tube is 76mm and each of the silicon couplings are 76-83mm

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/IMG_2773.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/IMG_2774.jpg

Gelbster 12-20-2016 08:56 AM

Mavis - it would be really great if you could specify the adapter coupling - do you mean a 90 degree elbow reducer 76/83mm ? Or a different angle? Like this??
eBay item number: 282061203413

Imagine how much easier your project would be if the airbox was not in the engine bay? Yes , a CAI outside the engine bay - it can be done ! But I don't want to hijack Ben's Thread.

mavis.d 12-21-2016 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gelbster (Post 520160)
Mavis - it would be really great if you could specify the adapter coupling - do you mean a 90 degree elbow reducer 76/83mm ? Or a different angle? Like this??
eBay item number: 282061203413

Imagine how much easier your project would be if the airbox was not in the engine bay? Yes , a CAI outside the engine bay - it can be done ! But I don't want to hijack Ben's Thread.

It's a 90 degree elbow but I think a 45 might work better so may give it a go with one of those. BTW your ebay number brings up no items

Ben006 12-21-2016 05:42 AM

If you use a 15 degree 3" tube, you need a slightly less than 90 degree coupler for the TB.
A 90degree coupler cut slightly shorter works fine.
I'll post pictures tonight!

Gelbster, you mean an air filter where the snorkle is usually ?

Gelbster 12-21-2016 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavis.d (Post 520251)
It's a 90 degree elbow but I think a 45 might work better so may give it a go with one of those. BTW your ebay number brings up no items

Try EBay USA ! It works just fine.

Ben006 12-21-2016 02:29 PM

http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2016/...4656810622.jpg
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2016/...4657609274.jpg
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2016/...4657999275.jpg
http://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2016/...4658237547.jpg

Ben006 12-25-2016 02:04 PM

Oh, what's that???
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2016/...2300663260.jpghttp://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2016/...2300107376.jpg

Looks like a GT3 TB ;)

CrisZenithBlue 12-28-2016 08:44 AM

cant wait to get in on this action as soon as i finish with maintenance expenses! nothing like a more linear powerband with more usable low end grunt. coming from the honda S2000 i can say i miss the vtec kick at 5500RPM which was pretty damn cool but the reality is you dont get much of that daily driving.

when i met Ben a while back and drove his boxster i could REALLY feel the difference in the powerband and it felt so right, like it was supposed to be like that from factory. i personally like the max power output of the base boxster, it doesnt get you in guaranteed "jail time" speed right away, the only thing i would change is how that power is delivered.

good thing there's guys like Ben making this stuff happen! :cheers:

Gelbster 12-28-2016 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 520270)

Gelbster, you mean an air filter where the snorkle is usually ?

Yes Ben,
I cobbled together an experimental air filter from "UNI" foam and fitted it in the 'tunnel' where the snorkel usually is.It fits behind and is attached to the louvers.One screw and it all slides out.
The use of the tunnel as an air filter housing enables a very compact new arrangement in the engine bay where the old airbox was. Access to the Bank 2 - 4,5,6 inlet manifold area is now excellent from above.
The concept needs proving. And improving. I am (wildly)guessing that I have an acceptable compromise of filtration vs. obstruction.
I also fitted a finer mesh screen(like the997 has) .I also fitted an airflow straightener before the MAF. Who knows if .....
The project was not planed.I had to r&r # 4 injector and the fuel pressure regulator. Try that with the engine and airbox in place and you'll understand.
I am not advocating this as an effective project because I do not have test data.

l3m 12-28-2016 01:33 PM

I'm selling a 997 throttle body, 997 plenum and misc. hardware. It's listed in the Boxster Parts for Sale section.

Ben006 01-02-2017 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gelbster (Post 520962)
Yes Ben,
I cobbled together an experimental air filter from "UNI" foam and fitted it in the 'tunnel' where the snorkel usually is.It fits behind and is attached to the louvers.One screw and it all slides out.
The use of the tunnel as an air filter housing enables a very compact new arrangement in the engine bay where the old airbox was. Access to the Bank 2 - 4,5,6 inlet manifold area is now excellent from above.
The concept needs proving. And improving. I am (wildly)guessing that I have an acceptable compromise of filtration vs. obstruction.
I also fitted a finer mesh screen(like the997 has) .I also fitted an airflow straightener before the MAF. Who knows if .....
The project was not planed.I had to r&r # 4 injector and the fuel pressure regulator. Try that with the engine and airbox in place and you'll understand.
I am not advocating this as an effective project because I do not have test data.

I'll take a look at the possibilities when I have the time ;)



The first sold plenum is ready !

http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2017/...5553528891.jpg
http://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2017/...5555473380.jpg

You'll notice the four ribs added. Just for security and further stiffening!
You'll also notice that my masking tape game is not the best one yet... ^^

I ordered a 996 plenum too.
I have a GT3 throttle body at home and a guinea pig who's willing to test it on his 996 ;)

Ben

geetee 01-04-2017 05:00 PM

how much is this plenum?

particlewave 01-05-2017 12:20 AM

Aluminum conducts heat very well and turns all your hard work into a hot air intake, probably negating any possible benefits from the plenum. You'd be much better off with a plastic tube with heat shielding.

Gelbster 01-05-2017 07:56 AM

This Plenum is plastic !
Agreed for conductive heat ,but the heat source in this case is radiated and convective,not much conducted because of the' rubber' boots. Which is why polished aluminum or 'chrome' coated ABS are usually used for commercial CAI systems. Spectre products has more info. Heat reflective tape may help ? The air charge in the CAI tube moves fast enough that it won't have time to absorb much excessive heat. Hot-Idling/Dyno would be a problem because of heat soak.
But some Track time would be more valuable than my theorizing.

eddy 01-05-2017 08:03 AM

The DEI gold reflective tape works great. I used it on the engine bay side of a custom airbox in my SCCA ITS Miata (the box was made from sheetmetal) along with some thin silver duct insulation on the filter side. temps were near ambient as a result.

Gelbster 01-05-2017 09:06 AM

Agreed but use ALuminum/chrome on a Porsche - gold is soooo Ricer !

eddy 01-05-2017 09:11 AM

It does have greater reflective properties than silver, plus with the race car it was on i wasn't headed to the local cars n coffee:) our two thread conversations are a welcome distraction from the spreadsheet i should be working on!

Ben006 01-06-2017 05:44 PM

I don't think you'll feel a difference with reflective tape on the boxster, but for the price... you might try!

I put some on the first version of the plenum.

I feel that the 986 is really sensitive to outside air temp, I can feel a difference between morning power and noon power, even though it's only 10/15°F difference.
I think it has more to do with the ECU settings that advance timing when it gets hot than the actual difference in air density...
I got a new phone so I'll be able to do datalogging easily now. I'll try to collect the right info, see what's really going on!

Ben006 01-07-2017 04:24 PM

Soooo this week end I had a ton of things to do... so I decided to do something else!

I received the 996 plenum, so I made my version for the GT3 Throttle body, fairly easy since it's a straight T!
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2017/...2311265478.jpg
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2017/...3109752683.jpg

Due to its symmetrical shape, I made radial stiffening ribs (like the OEM cross over pipe)... And I really liked it!

So I tried on the 986 plenum... due to the non-symmetrical shape... it took me all afternoon...
But how cool is that!
http://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2017/...3112357449.jpg
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2017/...3111934505.jpg
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2017/...3110396287.jpg
http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2017/...3110139966.jpg

I really like it!
It's also probably a lot stiffer... but also more expensive and a ******************** to paint...


Ben

Nine8Six 01-07-2017 10:06 PM

This is some nice work Ben.

How is this comparable to the stock unit airflow-wise? Bigger means better in this case?

Still waiting for the 2.5 power kit, i.e. the car that needs it most imo lolll

Ben006 01-08-2017 03:02 PM

Thanks :)

Smoother bends than the original plenum, and bigger throttle body, and yes, bigger is better on this area! The only compromise is noise. A bigger throttle body is noisier (air noises). But really, you don't notice it.

The problem with the 2.5 is: where to find a bigger throttle body? A 993 TB? Or an aftermarket one?
The plenum has the same shape as the 996 plenum, straight T, so it'll be pretty easy to make.
Thought, it is bigger than an "e-gas car" plenum, so it would be more expensive!
If someone want's to be a guinea pig, I'll be happy to work with him!

Meir 01-08-2017 04:55 PM

Or get one of these

OBX Individual Throttle Body ITB Fits Watercooled Porsche 911 Boxster | eBay
:dance::dance::dance:

And just to be clear. I'm first in line for the 996 plenum.:D

edc 01-09-2017 05:34 AM

For a mechanical body 2.5 the upgrade path is the mechanical body 996 3.4.

madmodz 01-14-2017 04:38 PM

Well I was ready to go back to oem configuration because my car didn't run right. Couldn't clear a misfire to cylinder 6 code after changing everything. My screwup. I switched the fuel injector wire with one of vacumm plugins so they look the same. Best news I had all year! So tomorrow I will rebuild her.

Ben006 01-14-2017 04:53 PM

Ahah, that happens ^^

Glad you found the problem and that it's nothing bad :)

Ben006 05-03-2017 04:12 PM

First 996 plenum installed! :D

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cornholington 05-03-2017 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 535945)
First 996 plenum installed! :D

is apparently a private post, I can't see it

I see a box with "This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed or the privacy settings of the post may have changed."

Ben006 05-04-2017 02:20 PM

crap...

there it is:
https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/13/27/76/86/18209210.jpg

boxxster 05-06-2017 09:29 AM

Can anyone tell me if there is an aftermarket or oem throttle body and plenum combo that works with the stock intake tube on a 3.2?

The technotorque 2 is discontinued and everything else (Ben's, ipd) requires a new intake tube. It doesn't look like you can buy ipd's tube separately either.

Ben006 05-06-2017 12:48 PM

If you want a bigger throttle body you HAVE to use another intake tube.
The intake tube has the same diameter as the throttle body.

You can make an intake tube for pretty cheap, it shouldn't be a problem ;)

geraintthomas 06-22-2017 02:24 PM

Just to recap (sorry),

I'd buy from Ebay:
- 74mm Throttle Body
- Larger intake piping

I'd buy from you:
- 74mm plenum

So the larger intake tube would fit on to the new throttle body, which would fit onto your new plenum. Anything else I'd need? :)

Ben006 06-23-2017 03:58 PM

No that's all! ;)
You already have the exhaust, I just recommend a K&N drop-in panel filter, it's cheap and worked wonder on mine!

Ben006 06-10-2018 11:36 AM

Sooo, I have been quiet lately... not because I gave up... But because I've been very busy ;)

https://i95.servimg.com/u/f95/13/27/76/86/img_2910.jpg

I'll let you guess what it is ;)


And I spend the rest of my free time doing this... full makeover for my 986S!
https://i95.servimg.com/u/f95/13/27/...h/img_2913.jpg
I also started a website and an enterprise that will be in working order very soon !


Ben

Ben006 06-17-2018 11:51 AM

https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_2910.jpg

Eheheh

Robert986 06-21-2018 07:36 AM

WTF!!! :dance: Hit us with the details Ben006!

Ben006 06-21-2018 07:46 AM

For now, we’re running into problems with the inner part of the mould.
It should be resolved soon with a better suited mould ;)

rfuerst911sc 06-23-2018 03:54 AM

Good looking stuff there Ben , but if you want a REAL challenge how about designing and producing an AOS that performs and lives in the real world ?


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