Shelby GT 500 Commercial

[JackG]

Originally Posted by Sammy

Regarding the Shelby, I don't believe that 2 seconds is close when you have the top three cars all within 0.5 seconds of each other. Even if the engine was running properly, the time made up in the straights would be minor compared to what it loses in the corners.

BTW - I thought it was a great article and hopefully they will keep using this comparison in the future.

FWIW, the time diff was 1.5 seconds, not 2. And it's a huge assumption backed up by no facts that "the time made up in the straights would be minor" if the Shelby weren't sick. We just don't know.

Finally, my whole point was that this thread smacks of snobbery against anything not Porsche. The Shelby was being dismissed because it is a Ford, and that's a mistake. Look at what won the shootout. A Ford GT.

[z12358]

Originally Posted by JackG

FWIW, the time diff was 1.5 seconds, not 2. And it's a huge assumption backed up by no facts that "the time made up in the straights would be minor" if the Shelby weren't sick. We just don't know.

Finally, my whole point was that this thread smacks of snobbery against anything not Porsche. The Shelby was being dismissed because it is a Ford, and that's a mistake. Look at what won the shootout. A Ford GT.

Just your opinion. I didn't see any snobbery at all. Is someone a snob just because he prefers a lighter and more agile roadster to a much heavier but more powerful GT? Different people prefer different cars, and prefer to pay up for different attributes. Some pay up for raw power. Others pay up for superior engineering that keeps weight low without sacrificing comfort and rigidity.

Frankly, considering that this is a Porsche Boxster forum, I would say that most other cars get a fair treatment, especially when compared to other forums. For some reason you care very much about "d**k" stereotypes which are mostly spread by "d**ks" anyway.

Z.

[JackG]

Originally Posted by z12358

Just your opinion. I didn't see any snobbery at all. Is someone a snob just because he prefers a lighter and more agile roadster to a much heavier but more powerful GT? Different people prefer different cars, and prefer to pay up for different attributes. Some pay up for raw power. Others pay up for superior engineering that keeps weight low without sacrificing comfort and rigidity.

Frankly, considering that this is a Porsche Boxster forum, I would say that most other cars get a fair treatment, especially when compared to other forums. For some reason you care very much about "d**k" stereotypes which are mostly spread by "d**ks" anyway.

Z.

Remove that chip from your shoulder, Z. I seemed to have hit a nerve with you. Maybe you saw yourself in there somewhere?
In any case, I seriously doubt you have a clue what I care about.
Have a nice day.

[z12358]

Originally Posted by JackG

Remove that chip from your shoulder, Z. I seemed to have hit a nerve with you. Maybe you saw yourself in there somewhere?
In any case, I seriously doubt you have a clue what I care about.
Have a nice day.

Jack didn't mean to be insulting, so if you saw it that way, I apologize.
Peace.
Z.

[JackG]

Originally Posted by z12358

Jack didn't mean to be insulting, so if you saw it that way, I apologize.
Peace.
Z.

Fair enough... the written word is easily taken the wrong way. My bad.

[SigmaPi]

Originally Posted by JackG

FWIW, the time diff was 1.5 seconds, not 2. And it's a huge assumption backed up by no facts that "the time made up in the straights would be minor" if the Shelby weren't sick. We just don't know.

Finally, my whole point was that this thread smacks of snobbery against anything not Porsche. The Shelby was being dismissed because it is a Ford, and that's a mistake. Look at what won the shootout. A Ford GT.

Since I started the thread primarily about the commercial and the use of the Carrera in it, I feel obligated to respond. Call it what you wish however, loyalty to a brand and espousing its superiority did not start with Porsche owners. If you take a look back in history, GM and Ford represent one of the longest standing rivalries in the history of automakers. Yet no one seems compelled to call a GM owner "elitest snob" if they have a picture of Calvin pissing on a Ford decal on thier back window, why is that? Just because we may be proud of our vehicles and thier capabilities does not make us snobs.

Jack, I would bet my paycheck, small as it may be, that the GT 500 would still lose out against any of these cars besides the Dodge. Simply saying since it has 500hp does not make it any faster through the track. If this were the case, then the first place winner at 190hp would not have been a factor. Keep in mind the Lotus had the lowest hp in the group and the closest delta in hp was the Cayman S which it beat, and the Cayman had 105 more horses. So the moral of the story is horsepower does not a fast car make.

Originally Posted by SigmaPi

So the moral of the story is horsepower does not a fast car make.

SigmaPi, I love your "Yoda" quote at the end!

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by SigmaPi

So the moral of the story is horsepower does not a fast car make.

Okaaaaaayyyyy...If you say so...

[JackG]

Originally Posted by SigmaPi

Jack, I would bet my paycheck, small as it may be, that the GT 500 would still lose out against any of these cars besides the Dodge. Simply saying since it has 500hp does not make it any faster through the track. If this were the case, then the first place winner at 190hp would not have been a factor. Keep in mind the Lotus had the lowest hp in the group and the closest delta in hp was the Cayman S which it beat, and the Cayman had 105 more horses. So the moral of the story is horsepower does not a fast car make.

The Elise is a car that few can live with as a daily driver. It's a track car. Throw in a "track package" which includes gumball tires the article said "wouldn't last 2000 miles on the street", and it's no wonder the Elise topped the group.

But we all know that there are tracks where you can run momentum cars successfully, and other tracks where they really suffer. When the momentum cars suffer, the horsepower cars shine. However, in daily life on the street, we don't live in a momentum world. Horsepower is king.

If you run up on a Shelby on the street, he'll eat you alive. If you see him on a track, it's my wager with him hitting on all 8 cylinders, he'll likely do the same. The ride just won't be nearly as much fun in the Shelby.

We've beaten this to death. We'll just have to wait on the next test, with a healthy Shelby, to see how it compares. Until then, it's all just opinion.

[Rail26]

Comparing a Shelby GT500 and a Boxster is absurd...kind of like...well...a kangaroo....wait for it....SHOPPING! OK, React.

[FIG]

OI!

Leave our native animals out of this

[Rail26]

I have always wanted to eat one....I am slowly eating my way through the animal kingdom. Kind of a hobby.

Originally Posted by FIG

OI!

Leave our native animals out of this

[jeffsquire]

Superman can kick Batman's ass!