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porschefan76 02-19-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 630861)
Cats fail in a number of ways.
1. Physical damage such as hitting speed bumps. Can lead to a rupture,hole, leak in the case.
2. "Plugging up" usually caused from things like too rich of mixture over time. rings not seating causing oil blow by, leaking head gasket. Antifreeze gets into the exhaust.
3."Burning out" caused by to lean of mixture, excessive idle time, things that create to much heat.
A burned up cat has no back pressure issues or the like, it acts just like a good cat except it doesn't do it's thing.
Those are the things I am aware of.

They are designed to last the life time of the car. But they function in a very narrow range. So fuel air ratio needs to be very close to 14.7 to 1. I think somewhere around one half of one percent + or - of 14.7 to 1. Outside that range for extended periods then they burn up or plug up.

So something to try and keep in mind when dealing with OBDII and the P-Codes.
Its not about engine performance or power or gas mileage. The primary function of the OBDII system including the sensors is Catalytic Converter Performance and longjevity. Everything else is secondary.

Hey again! I'm not concerned about failure mode 1 as this hasn't occurred. I have a troubleshooting methodology for 2 (back-pressure test) and the fact that for about 75% of the time at constant RPM the downstream O2 do exhibit a flat response, I'm fairly confident that the cats are not burnt-out. Combine that with the temperature testing I have done which showed marked increase in flange temperature downstream of the cat compared to the cat inlet, I'm "fairly" confident they're not fully gone, but cannot say with confidence they're not currently compromised. I will research the tests for troubleshooting and verifying a "burned out" cat, but so far, haven't found anything. Are you aware of a way to verify "burned out" that doesn't rely on the output of an O2 sensor of unknown functionality (i.e. downstream O2 sensor may have it's own problems being 20 years old)?

Thank you for the continued help and ideas!

blue62 02-20-2021 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by porschefan76 (Post 630864)
Hey again! I'm not concerned about failure mode 1 as this hasn't occurred. I have a troubleshooting methodology for 2 (back-pressure test) and the fact that for about 75% of the time at constant RPM the downstream O2 do exhibit a flat response, I'm fairly confident that the cats are not burnt-out. Combine that with the temperature testing I have done which showed marked increase in flange temperature downstream of the cat compared to the cat inlet, I'm "fairly" confident they're not fully gone, but cannot say with confidence they're not currently compromised. I will research the tests for troubleshooting and verifying a "burned out" cat, but so far, haven't found anything. Are you aware of a way to verify "burned out" that doesn't rely on the output of an O2 sensor of unknown functionality (i.e. downstream O2 sensor may have it's own problems being 20 years old)?

Thank you for the continued help and ideas!

The only way I know of to reliably test a Cat to see if it is burned out. (other then what the O2 sensor is showing). Is with something like a five gas analyzer. Some shops still have them. Or your local smog test station. That is one of the things smog test stations are testing when they put the probe up the exhaust pipe. They are looking at the gases from the exhaust to see if the Cat is working properly.

porschefan76 02-20-2021 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 630882)
The only way I know of to reliably test a Cat to see if it is burned out. (other then what the O2 sensor is showing). Is with something like a five gas analyzer. Some shops still have them. Or your local smog test station. That is one of the things smog test stations are testing when they put the probe up the exhaust pipe. They are looking at the gases from the exhaust to see if the Cat is working properly.

Ok, that ones going to have to wait until last then. It unrelated to P1126 so I'll get that fixed first and see where I stand. I suppose I can just run to the inspection station and run the car through at that point.

porschefan76 02-24-2021 06:15 PM

Hello all. Time for another update.

Things I've learned:
1. STFT is called Oxygen Sensor Integrator on my 986 01S (I think).
2. I reached out to Durametric regarding the discrepancy on P1126 between what Durametric was reporting "Porsche Fault Code 356 - Multiplic. mixture adapt. lower load range B.1:" and Bentley "Porsche DTC 35 Oxygen Sensing Area 1 Cylinders 4-6 - rich mixture threshold". Durametric doubled down on bank 1, indicating their data was such:
a. P1126: "Oxygen sensing adaption, lower load range, bank 1."
b. P1126: "Fuel system multiplicative Bank 1, fuel trim limits exceeded."
c. P1126: "Fuel system multiplicative Bank 1, Range 2 (multipl. fault) load (rl) > threshold and air mass > threshold."
VERDICT: This response from Durametric combined with the change in engine feel after installing new Bank 1 fuel injectors, I'm calling this a Bank 1 code. Whether it's being tripped for range 1 rich or range 2 rich or lean, I'm not sure.

OK, on to some of the work I've completed since last check-in:
I removed the upstream O2 sensors one at a time and performed a back-pressure test on each bank. Both banks had nearly zero back pressure at idle and not much more at 2500 RPM (maybe .5-1 psi). I inspected upstream view of each cat with a borescope and verified they do not appear plugged, nor are they burned through or anything like that.
I left the new upstream O2 sensors in place and collected a lot of data. P1126 did return after about 50 miles of driving. Fuel trims are nearly identical for Bank 1 and Bank 2, RKAT is now roughly -3.5 and FRA is roughly 1.3, which causes me to question why I'm not receiving a code for Bank 2 as well?

Comparing a Normalized MAF signal (divided MAF signal by idle value of 15) to the Throttle Position Sensor 1, I got the following graph:

https://i.imgur.com/UZXjZBA.jpg

Not sure if this tracks similar to how blue62 described or not? Also during data collection, kept an eye on MAF outputs. Is the MAF supposed to reach up over 582 kg/h (& 3.58 V) at 5260 RPM? I'm not sure on what the correct values are but this one appears to be functioning to me (output responses to increase air flow).

Next warm day, the spark plug tubes go in. I'll post any updates after that.

Any input/thoughts/new troubleshooting is appreciated. Aside from investigating the EVAP component under Bank 2 intake manifold and attempting to evaluate the 2 electronic change-over valves (one SAI and the other for the resonance flap) I'm kind of out of ideas.

Edit: Forgot to mention, observed fuel economy has largely improved and seems back to normal.

blue62 02-25-2021 07:20 AM

Your MAF signal compared to the TPS signal looks normal to me.
So I believe you MAF is fine.
You say your fuel mileage is back up???
Improvements are good. Any idea what your MPG is currently???
Do you think the fuel mileage improvement is from changing the injectors???

porschefan76 02-25-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 631174)
Your MAF signal compared to the TPS signal looks normal to me.
So I believe you MAF is fine.
You say your fuel mileage is back up???
Improvements are good. Any idea what your MPG is currently???
Do you think the fuel mileage improvement is from changing the injectors???

Hi blue62! I can't thank you enough for sticking through this with me.

Yes, fuel economy seems to have largely returned to earlier numbers. I do not have an absolute number, but I'd estimate it at about 20mpg (~75 miles per quarter tank). This is varied driving conditions while test driving. I can only attribute this change to the replacement of Bank 1 fuel injectors, because Bank 2 fuel injectors didn't seem to make much of a difference to engine performance or fuel economy. Regarding engine performance, most, if-not-all, of the cold-start idle weirdness has gone away.

I have no black smoke (rich condition) at idle, nor any soot on the tailpipes, and the exhaust does not smell of gasoline. The old O2 sensors had a mostly white-tan light coating, which seems normal. Also, my RKAT numbers for both banks have gone further negative to -3.5 since changing Bank 1 fuel injectors. Yet, I'm still only throwing code P1126.

I got a little fed up trying to decipher Durametric data, so I bought a bluetooth obd and android app to watch the new O2 sensors and the post-cat sensors (as well as STFT, this is before I figured out it's PID in Durametric). All four O2 sensors and the STFT values looked very much closer to the data from ScannerDanner's videos (flat line for the downstream O2 sensors and adaptation behavior from the upstream sensors) than anything I was able to plot from Durametric data. No conclusions drawn here, it's just the way it is. As I learn to use the Android app better, I will try to output data from there as well if you want a look.

This thread has gotten long, so I will post a roll-up (TLDR style) summary shortly to get a snapshot of the current situation and hopefully, something might jump out, because right now, I'm not sure where to go next. Thanks again!

porschefan76 02-25-2021 09:11 AM

Troubleshooting code P1126 which seems to be Bank 1 range 1 rich limit exceeded. Initially the car also began idling poorly and backfiring through the intake. Most of this has cleared but P1126 reoccurs after clearing.

TLDR-style roll-up of troubleshooting performed thus far for clarity:

1. MAF - cleaned twice, outputs in Durametric seem good, 15 kg/h and 1.28-1.33 Volts at idle - both increase with engine speed
2. Throttle body, plenum and resonator removed and cleaned - not very dirty and very little oil present, all vacuum hoses inspected and verified connections
3. Fuel filter replaced
4. Fuel pump volume flow tested at fuel filter - 1.25L of fuel collected in 30 seconds (is this a potential problem above specified 850mL??)
5. Fuel pressure tested at fuel rail - 3.8 bar with engine off and fuel pump by-passed, 3.3 bar at idle - meets Porsche spec
6. Spark plugs replaced - old ones were not overly fouled, but electrodes had wear
7. Intake Smoke Test #1 - no leaking smoke observed
8. Crankcase Pressure Manometer - -4.95 to -5.05 inches of water column, re-checked yesterday, no change - AOS appears functional
9. Bank 2 fuel injectors replaced with new Bosch fuel injectors and fuel pressure regulator replaced (while fuel rail was out) - no perceived change or Durametric data changes
10. Bank 1 fuel injectors replaced with new Bosch fuel injectors - engine idles and performs much better, fuel economy returned; Banks 1&2 RKAT (range 1 LTFT) further decreased from -2.15 to -3.5, supporting rich at idle CEL
11. Upstream O2 sensors replaced - Originals still appear functional
12. Exhaust Bank 1 & 2 Back-pressure tested - ~0 psi at idle and 0.5-1.0 psi at 2500 RPM - no obstruction
13. Visual inspection of Cats at upstream O2 sensor port - seem largley intact, a few fractures at outer edges but otherwise intact (further investigations?)
14. Spark plug tubes - small leaks at cylinder 1 and cylinder 5 - will replace soon
15. Power Brake Booster line - Went on deep discount, so purchased - will replace soon
16. Intake Vacuum Test - just learned of Porsche suggested test - At fuel pressure regulator, attach vacuum gauge and look for 5.8 to 8.7 psi of vacuum - will perform soon
17. Intake Smoke Test #2 - will perform soon

Worth noting: Bank 1 camshaft deviation is -8.2 degrees and Bank 2 camshaft deviation is -4.26 degrees. Bank 1 deviation is outside +/- 6 spec by Porsche but not enough to throw a CEL. Don't know if this could be causing the issues?

Still getting P1126 code after 30-50 miles of driving. Thanks for looking, any help is appreciated!

ike84 02-25-2021 10:35 AM

Hey fan, glad to hear you're making progress. I could be wrong but I think that p1126 is a lean condition? Your negative fuel trim would support that. If you've got new injectors and good pressure then I would suspect a small leak. I know you said you smoked it but as we all know small leaks can be a pita for even the best to find.

Somebody else chime in on this, I don't wanna steer you wrong.

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blue62 02-25-2021 12:13 PM

Porschefan: Have you looked at the freeze frame info when the p1126 code triggers???
Could be a clue in that info.
I know you have smoke tested it and that the code is for just the one bank but the p1126 code is most often associated with some form of vacuum leak!!

blue62 02-25-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 631188)
Hey fan, glad to hear you're making progress. I could be wrong but I think that p1126 is a lean condition? Your negative fuel trim would support that. If you've got new injectors and good pressure then I would suspect a small leak. I know you said you smoked it but as we all know small leaks can be a pita for even the best to find.

Somebody else chime in on this, I don't wanna steer you wrong.

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Yes a vacuum leak of some sort has been my thought from the beginning.
Faulty injectors, Faulty O2 sensors, Or a Faulty MAF sensor can all cause a lean situation.
Porschefan has replaced or proven all those things good so I am still betting on a vacuum leak of some kind.

porschefan76 02-25-2021 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 631188)
Hey fan, glad to hear you're making progress. I could be wrong but I think that p1126 is a lean condition? Your negative fuel trim would support that. If you've got new injectors and good pressure then I would suspect a small leak. I know you said you smoked it but as we all know small leaks can be a pita for even the best to find.

Somebody else chime in on this, I don't wanna steer you wrong.

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Hey Ike! Thanks for following up! Yes, I've had some progress, and it's driving much better, thankfully. I finally experienced those "smiles per gallon" again yesterday. I did notice a SLIGHT hesitation coming back on the gas in third gear yesterday while being slightly aggressive on an empty stretch and corner, but otherwise much improved.

I am honestly not sure one way or the other if it a lean or rich code. I have this excerpt from the Porsche/Bosch DME code list:

In above, being "below limit" can go one of two ways in my mind. If it's referring to the fuel trim being below limit, that would indicate a rich condition to me, because fuel trim would be subtracting from the injector time. If it's an O2 sensor that is below limit, to me that means lean because below .45mV is lean and above .45 mV is rich, unless I've got that reversed. The fact that Banks 1&2 RKAT are negative seems to support rich at idle to me as well, as RKAT is "range 1" so far as I can tell, which includes idle.

Other news and updates, I just had some warm temps in the garage, so I vacuum tested the power brake booster line and it held vacuum. I also started the car, pulled the vacuum hose from the fuel pressure regulator (rpms surged) and pulled about 10 psi of vacuum (over Porsche specification, I wonder if this means anything?). So the intake vacuum appears intact, if not high. That said, once outdoor temps are above 55F, I'll be smoking the intake again to look for leaks.

Anyway, if anything jumps out at anyone, please let me know. I need some next troubleshooting steps.

porschefan76 02-25-2021 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 631195)
Yes a vacuum leak of some sort has been my thought from the beginning.
Faulty injectors, Faulty O2 sensors, Or a Faulty MAF sensor can all cause a lean situation.
Porschefan has replaced or proven all those things good so I am still betting on a vacuum leak of some kind.

I am truly hoping this turns out to be vacuum! I will get that smoke machine back on the intake ASAP (weather/plastic window ugg). Thanks again!

Gilles 02-25-2021 02:41 PM

just curious, could a Dry fuel injector Seal could cause a vacuum leak..?
.

porschefan76 02-25-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 631205)
just curious, could a Dry fuel injector Seal could cause a vacuum leak..?
.

Hi Gilles. Having just replaced all of my fuel injectors, on the fuel rail side, I think you'd have a fuel leak (pressurized fuel rail). On the intake manifold side, I suppose you would have an vacuum leak, yes.

If you have to replace your injectors or o-rings, I used a small amount of the recommended white lithium grease on all of the o-rings and it really made everything go back together nicely and prevents the o-rings from twisting upon insertion. Thanks!

ike84 02-25-2021 04:35 PM

Before you bust out that smoke machine I would look at some vacuum diagrams so you're familiar with the system. The vacuum houses, changeover valves, vacuum resivoir, etc are kinda complicated - not so much in theory, just in the layout. Hairline cracks in the vacuum resivoir, for example, have driven people to the brink of insanity. If you go over everything with the smoke machine and get nowhere I would bust out the brake cleaner to double check. Good luck!

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porschefan76 02-25-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 631216)
Before you bust out that smoke machine I would look at some vacuum diagrams so you're familiar with the system. The vacuum houses, changeover valves, vacuum resivoir, etc are kinda complicated - not so much in theory, just in the layout. Hairline cracks in the vacuum resivoir, for example, have driven people to the brink of insanity. If you go over everything with the smoke machine and get nowhere I would bust out the brake cleaner to double check. Good luck!

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Hey! I've had the plenum, throttlebody and resonator tube off quite a bit and I'm actually pretty familiar with the routing of the vacuum lines. It appeared to be messy to me the first time or two I looked at it, but it's actually pretty straightforward! That said, I take your point, especially with respect to the smoke machine.

I'm fairly certain it's not the reservoir, because if I pull the vacuum line between it and the one-way valve after running the car, I can hear it suck in air. Perhaps I'll get in there and just test lines and y-fittings with my hand pump because it's easy to do and doesn't stink like the smoke machine. I also wouldn't mind some information on how to test the change-over valves. I have a 12V power supply and the ability to regulate voltage, so I'd like to actually test them for operation. I'll keep looking.

All this said, I just pulled 10 psi of vacuum at the fuel pressure regulator which is pretty healthy intake vacuum, if I am not mistaken. Porsche troubleshooting manual for checking fuel pressure regulator operation specified 6-9 psi of vacuum on this hose. I HOPE it's a vacuum leak, but at this point, with RKAT at -3.5, it appears this motor is running rich at idle, not lean like I'd expect for a vacuum leak.

To further muddy the waters though, when I used my cheap bluetooth OBD-II with Torque Pro, the LTFT (not divided into RKAT and FRA in Torque app) showed that they were pegged POSITIVE for both banks, which would support a vacuum leak.

ike84 02-25-2021 05:08 PM

I just realized that I said something that doesn't make sense and I am now far more confused. 1126 is lean, but negative fuel trim is the car pulling fuel out. I typed that earlier in a rush and didn't realize what I had said.

But that was the original reason I recommended changing the o2 sensors in the first place - things are pointing to a lean condition but the sensors are reading rich and hence the ecu is pulling fuel.

I'm not sure I'm helping at this point lol. This seems really screwy to me though and I'm not sure I can explain it any further at this point. Sorry dude :(. I would still check for leaks if you've had every off recently but the continued 1126 when sensors are detecting rich and pulling fuel back has got me thoroughly confused.

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Gilles 02-25-2021 05:13 PM

Thanks for the tip!

porschefan76 02-26-2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 631221)
Thanks for the tip!

No problem! Good luck! Bank 1 injectors are worlds easier to replace than Bank 2 due to tight working quarters with respect to the fuel return line nut.

porschefan76 02-26-2021 08:38 AM

Quick update - all information I am able to find states 17 to 23 inches of HG (8.35 psi to 11.3 psi) for proper intake vacuum. This contradicts the Porsche information I had (5.8psi to 8.7 psi) but I imagine being within a +/- 1 psi might be acceptable.

Only posting this because if I have proper intake vacuum, it seems less likely I have a vacuum leak, so I'm hoping those numbers jump out. If not, I think this leaves me with the EVAP system (electric valve stuck open? but no CEL or code?) and then it's on to mechanical problems with the engine (timing, valve seat issues, compression).

Thanks for your time!

porschefan76 03-10-2021 02:18 PM

Hello all, time for another frustrating update.

So, I replaced the spark plug tubes. This made no change (well, no more oil on the valve covers) but after two test drives, no P1126, fuel economy seems to have returned but the car just feels "slow" overall and the induction noise is muted. It just doesn't sound or feel 100%. Additionally, I found two threads that mentioned the contacts within the electronic throttle control on the throttle body can be misaligned and for someone, this was causing their 986 to run rich at idle. I opened it up, cleaned up the electrical contacts, but overall it looked healthy and clean. Simultaneously, I also purchased a new electronic change-over valve for the resonator flap. I got a little encouraged when I found the rubber vacuum boot attached to the old change-over valve was stiff and looked tired. I replaced it with new rubber vacuum hose. All of this resulted in no change to engine operation and after about 120 miles of test drives, P1126 returned and this time with a P0107. I had this code briefly a few months back, but I didn't have my battery tender at the time and the car had been sitting, so I assumed it was related to low voltage, reset the code and continued troubleshooting. This is the first time it has returned.

According to the Bentley manual, P0107 isn't listed for DME 7.2 but Durametric reported it with the same verbiage as listed that in the Bentley manual for DME 5.2.2.

https://i.imgur.com/jFHCYoD.jpg

I've read a couple of posts on P0107 and the MAP sensor is internal to the DME, so it seems the advice goes one of three ways:
a. Reset code and see
b. A bad MAF might be the culprit
c. Replace the DME

Anyone have any experience with P0107 and P1126? My MAF data makes it appear the MAF is functioning properly. Is it possible it's an intermittent failure with the MAF? Any help or ideas will be much appreciated! Thanks.

JFP in PA 03-10-2021 02:34 PM

P0107 Ambient Pressure Sensor – Below Limit

Possible causes:
- Short circuit to ground

The ambient pressure sensor measures the air pressure.
The ambient pressure sensor is incorporated in the DME control module.

porschefan76 03-10-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 631734)
P0107 Ambient Pressure Sensor – Below Limit

Possible causes:
- Short circuit to ground

The ambient pressure sensor measures the air pressure.
The ambient pressure sensor is incorporated in the DME control module.

Hi JFP, thank you for the reply. I did see something like this in one of the posts while I was searching.

From what I understand, the proper way to diagnose this would be to check for voltage and ground at the appropriate pins in the harness to the ECU and if that's good, then to look for the MAP output in Durametric? My problem is I'm not seeing anything labeled ambient pressure sensor in the wiring diagrams for the DME 7.2 in the Bentley manual. I see a "Sensor, Differentiale E12/E11", but it looks to be external of the ME and feeds to the two Camshaft Sensors. I also don't recall seeing a PID for MAP in Durametric.

Does anyone have troubleshooting procedures or pictures, or even past experiences to help me dig into P0107? Also wondering if this can be causing P1126? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

porschefan76 03-11-2021 10:30 AM

Hello all! I think I have some positive news. I want to thank each and every person who chimed in with ideas and helped me through this. I pulled a few posts that I'll quote below, and then get on with what's new!

Post #3
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 629018)
I'd start pulling the fuel injectors, looking at the tips for carbon fouling.

RKAT is the adaptation value near idle.
FRA is the adaptation value under load and further divided into FRAU (lower load range ) and FRAO (higher load range) ranges (perhaps the durametric doesn't display these divisions).

The RKAT values near idle are used to change the length of the injector pulse to account for deviations from ideality (ie intake leaks) to maintain the proper O2 sensor reading. The RKAT value is an additive factor and can deviate by +/- 4.5%. The FRA value is a multiplicative factor and can deviate by 1.32 to 0.70. The positive values or values greater than 1 increase the injector pulse length to account for a lean mixture, and negative values and values less than 1 are to compensate for a rich mixture.

Post #10

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Originally Posted by Brian Minson (Post 629231)
I had a 2001 986 as well with the same issue and ran thru all those fixes as well. Have you REPLACED the MAF?? Just an idea.

Here is the 986 DIY playlist of videos I did on my car's issues.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbBMHPz04qDW2lbqUZ4p2yWK9joftSOEO

Brian :)
HTTP://986Brotherhood.com

Post #31

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Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 630791)
Agree your P1126 is another issue.
Perhaps some form of vacuum leak.
Or MAF sensor but there are ways to test it.

Post #57

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 631220)
I just realized that I said something that doesn't make sense and I am now far more confused. 1126 is lean, but negative fuel trim is the car pulling fuel out. I typed that earlier in a rush and didn't realize what I had said.

But that was the original reason I recommended changing the o2 sensors in the first place - things are pointing to a lean condition but the sensors are reading rich and hence the ecu is pulling fuel.

I'm not sure I'm helping at this point lol. This seems really screwy to me though and I'm not sure I can explain it any further at this point. Sorry dude :(. I would still check for leaks if you've had every off recently but the continued 1126 when sensors are detecting rich and pulling fuel back has got me thoroughly confused.

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Post #53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 631205)
just curious, could a Dry fuel injector Seal could cause a vacuum leak..?
.

OK, so the one thing I have not done since replacing the fuel injectors (first BIG change) was unplug the MAF and see what happens. I know, major oversight on my part in retrospect, right?

I found 3 posts of people with P0107 & P1126 at the same time. In all three cases, a new MAF ended up being the fix. So, I unplugged the MAF this morning. Bank 1 & 2 RKAT 0.0 and FRA 0.99 (I don't think they adapt without a MAF) and O2 sensors looking good the whole test drive, she drove like a bat out of hell and wailed like a banshee the way I remembered. Intake funkiness on throttle is gone and oddly enough, some top end noises (valves, chains?) that had me guessing disappeared as well. I've got a new MAF on order and it'll be here Saturday.

So, what I *think* happened was a combination of things. I think I had a leaking bottom o-ring and/or fouling on one of the Bank 1 fuel injectors, because all of the sputtering and intake back firing ceased after they were replaced. I also think I had a failed MAF due to the K&N air filter that I had been meaning to replace but didn't until I had issues. The bad injector had the car sputtering and popping and the bad MAF had us chasing our tail on rich at idle.

I unplugged the MAF before changing the fuel injectors, so I didn't get any change because of injector issues and after changing the injectors, because my MAF appeared to be functioning in Durametric, I never took it back out of the loop.

I will report back on Saturday after I drive it and capture data with the new MAF in, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Regarding the P0107, the ambient pressure sensor is reporting 1010 hPa in Durametric, which corresponds with 1 bar, so that looks to be functioning properly. Right now, the car has codes P0102 and a code for intake air temperature sensor (both are MAF codes, as expected). At the end of the day, I think the only parts changed prematurely may have been the upstream Bosch O2 sensors, but at like $40 each, I will not be complaining!!!

A very sincere thank you again to all of you!!

ike84 03-11-2021 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by porschefan76 (Post 631772)
Hello all! I think I have some positive news. I want to thank each and every person who chimed in with ideas and helped me through this. I pulled a few posts that I'll quote below, and then get on with what's new!

Post #3


Post #10



Post #31



Post #57



Post #53



OK, so the one thing I have not done since replacing the fuel injectors (first BIG change) was unplug the MAF and see what happens. I know, major oversight on my part in retrospect, right?

I found 3 posts of people with P0107 & P1126 at the same time. In all three cases, a new MAF ended up being the fix. So, I unplugged the MAF this morning. Bank 1 & 2 RKAT 0.0 and FRA 0.99 (I don't think they adapt without a MAF) and O2 sensors looking good the whole test drive, she drove like a bat of hell and wailed like a banshee the way I remembered. Intake funkiness on throttle is gone and oddly enough, some top end noises (valves, chains?) that had me guessing disappeared as well. I've got a new MAF on order and it'll be here Saturday.

So, what I *think* happened was a combination of things. I think I had a leaking bottom o-ring and/or fouling on one of the Bank 1 fuel injectors, because all of the sputtering and intake back firing ceased after they were replaced. I also think I had a failed MAF due to the K&N air filter that I had been meaning to replace but didn't until I had issues. The bad injector had the car sputtering and popping and the bad MAF had us chasing our tail on rich at idle.

I unplugged the MAF before changing the fuel injectors, so I didn't get any change because of injector issues and after changing the injectors, because my MAF appeared to be functioning in Durametric, I never took it back out of the loop.

I will report back on Saturday after I drive it and capture data with the new MAF in, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Regarding the P0107, the ambient pressure sensor is reporting 1010 hPa in Durametric, which corresponds with 1 bar, so that looks to be functioning properly. Right now, the car has codes P0102 and a code for intake air temperature sensor (both are MAF codes, as expected). At the end of the day, I think the only parts changed prematurely may have been the upstream Bosch O2 sensors, but at like $40 each, I will not be complaining!!!

A very sincere thank you again to all of you!!

If you're ever in the lake cumberland area I owe ya a beer!

Congrats on (hopefully) getting it figured out. Let us know what happens!

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porschefan76 03-11-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 631773)
If you're ever in the lake cumberland area I owe ya a beer!

Congrats on (hopefully) getting it figured out. Let us know what happens!

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Hey Ike! Haha, if I'm ever in the Lake Cumberland area, I OWE YOU A BEER!

Will post update as soon as the new MAF is in!

blue62 03-11-2021 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by porschefan76 (Post 631772)
Hello all! I think I have some positive news. I want to thank each and every person who chimed in with ideas and helped me through this. I pulled a few posts that I'll quote below, and then get on with what's new!

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OK, so the one thing I have not done since replacing the fuel injectors (first BIG change) was unplug the MAF and see what happens. I know, major oversight on my part in retrospect, right?

I found 3 posts of people with P0107 & P1126 at the same time. In all three cases, a new MAF ended up being the fix. So, I unplugged the MAF this morning. Bank 1 & 2 RKAT 0.0 and FRA 0.99 (I don't think they adapt without a MAF) and O2 sensors looking good the whole test drive, she drove like a bat of hell and wailed like a banshee the way I remembered. Intake funkiness on throttle is gone and oddly enough, some top end noises (valves, chains?) that had me guessing disappeared as well. I've got a new MAF on order and it'll be here Saturday.

So, what I *think* happened was a combination of things. I think I had a leaking bottom o-ring and/or fouling on one of the Bank 1 fuel injectors, because all of the sputtering and intake back firing ceased after they were replaced. I also think I had a failed MAF due to the K&N air filter that I had been meaning to replace but didn't until I had issues. The bad injector had the car sputtering and popping and the bad MAF had us chasing our tail on rich at idle.

I unplugged the MAF before changing the fuel injectors, so I didn't get any change because of injector issues and after changing the injectors, because my MAF appeared to be functioning in Durametric, I never took it back out of the loop.

I will report back on Saturday after I drive it and capture data with the new MAF in, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Regarding the P0107, the ambient pressure sensor is reporting 1010 hPa in Durametric, which corresponds with 1 bar, so that looks to be functioning properly. Right now, the car has codes P0102 and a code for intake air temperature sensor (both are MAF codes, as expected). At the end of the day, I think the only parts changed prematurely may have been the upstream Bosch O2 sensors, but at like $40 each, I will not be complaining!!!

A very sincere thank you again to all of you!!

My understanding of unplugging the MAF sensor is that the DME reverts to a default fuel map in open loop mode so there is no closed loop type fuel correction.
Also this default fuel map is on the rich side so if you have a vacuum leak and you unplug the MAF the car tends to run very well. Not to say your issue is not MAF related could very well be. Will be interesting to hear the outcome after you install the new MAF. I hope you ordered a Bosch MAF these cars don't seem to do well on after market MAF sensors.
Also if your running a K&N filter that is the oil type they destroy MAF sensors;)

porschefan76 03-11-2021 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 631778)
My understanding of unplugging the MAF sensor is that the DME reverts to a default fuel map in open loop mode so there is no closed loop type fuel correction.
Also this default fuel map is on the rich side so if you have a vacuum leak and you unplug the MAF the car tends to run very well. Not to say your issue is not MAF related could very well be. Will be interesting to hear the outcome after you install the new MAF. I hope you ordered a Bosch MAF these cars don't seem to do well on after market MAF sensors.
Also if your running a K&N filter that is the oil type they destroy MAF sensors;)

Hey blue62! Yes, I agree, although I'm not sure it's running rich, as the RKAT is 0.0 and the FRA .99 and STFT look like they're operating properly going +/- 5% throughout the test drive. I'm really hoping it's the MAF as the negative RKAT values (rich at idle) just don't make sense and I have taken each vacuum hose off of the reservoir and tested with my hand pump and they've passed. I've still yet to fully test the EVAP system (vacuum etc) but the Evap Valve under the bank 2 air intake appears to be functioning properly. Beyond that though, no testing has been completed on fuel canister/hoses etc. I'll post as soon as I get the new MAF in and a test drive/data.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, yes, it's the Bosch replacement MAF and the K&N filter is in a landfill somewhere these days. Replaced with OEM air filter.

porschefan76 03-13-2021 06:07 PM

Ok, I think I'm going to call this the end for now. I installed the new MAF sensor and took a test drive. Wow, what a difference, driving much better than without the MAF. I did not reset the codes (P0102 and P0112, both for MAF) as I was thinking they'll reset themselves after a couple of drive cycles like other codes. Is this true for the MAF codes or should I just reset them?

I took some data samples as well. Bank 1 RKAT is -0.17 & FRA is 1.00. Bank 2 RKAT is -0.20 and FRA is also 1.00. O2 sensors all looked like they were doing their thing! Very excited, but I only did roughly 20 mile test drive tonight because:

https://i.imgur.com/3oQh5N3.jpg

Out of the frying pan and into the fire HAHA It doesn't look like it's been leaking for long, and it is a very small leak. I got my borescope out and I think it's a crack in the tank at the usual spot underneath:

https://i.imgur.com/q8akGf3.jpg

Sorry about the poor focus but it's essentially a point-and-shoot 1080p borescope. Tank, cap & sending unit are ordered and should be arriving mid-week, so I guess that's the next project for now. Once that's replaced, I'll put some miles on the car with the new MAF and verify I do not get the codes back. I'll post back after a few hundred miles. Thanks all for all of the help!

ike84 03-13-2021 06:33 PM

Damn brother, you can't catch a break!

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porschefan76 03-13-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ike84 (Post 631858)
Damn brother, you can't catch a break!

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Haha it sure felt that way when I saw those 2 tell-tale little droplets of coolant behind my passenger rear tire! At least it's one more project completed out of the 101 Projects book! :)

Stl-986 03-14-2021 03:18 PM

I would clean it all up and let it dry out and then check to see if it's still leaking. You could have had too much in there and this from overfill...but that should have gone out of the car, not in the trunk. I have seen much worse with a bad coolant tank. Could also be a bad coolant cap. Once it's all cleaned up and dry you can just start the car and then watch to see if it leaks again.

porschefan76 03-14-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stl-986 (Post 631890)
I would clean it all up and let it dry out and then check to see if it's still leaking. You could have had too much in there and this from overfill...but that should have gone out of the car, not in the trunk. I have seen much worse with a bad coolant tank. Could also be a bad coolant cap. Once it's all cleaned up and dry you can just start the car and then watch to see if it leaks again.

Hey, thanks for the reply! Well , the weirdness I found with my borescope and the fact that it's pretty well discolored, I think I'm just going to replace it, but I take the point. Maybe I'll take the car out tomorrow and see if it continues to leak in there. Thanks again!

porschefan76 03-16-2021 07:58 AM

Well, another 20 miles on the new MAF and the CEL has gone out, Bank 1 RKAT is at -0.05 and Bank 2 RKAT is -0.12. Banks 1 & 2 FRA are 0.98 and 0.99 respectively. The P0102 and P0112 are still saved as fault codes but CEL is out, so working as intended I think.

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Originally Posted by Stl-986 (Post 631890)
I would clean it all up and let it dry out and then check to see if it's still leaking. You could have had too much in there and this from overfill...but that should have gone out of the car, not in the trunk. I have seen much worse with a bad coolant tank. Could also be a bad coolant cap. Once it's all cleaned up and dry you can just start the car and then watch to see if it leaks again.

Follow-up to Stl-986, cleaned it up, dried it out and no drips after this last test drive. Tank just arrived, so I'm probably just going to do the swap, but thanks for the insight/advice!

porschefan76 03-16-2021 06:29 PM

Just a brief follow-up on the expansion tank, the new one is in. It was just a matter of time before this one let go, probably at some inopportune time whilst on vacation.

https://i.imgur.com/BXJxF4F.jpg

porschefan76 04-03-2021 06:01 PM

Just to follow up and close this out, 250 more miles and no codes or lights and the car feels amazing again. Thanks to everyone for their help with this.

ike84 04-04-2021 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by porschefan76 (Post 632930)
Just to follow up and close this out, 250 more miles and no codes or lights and the car feels amazing again. Thanks to everyone for their help with this.

Great job fan! Thanks for the updates!

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