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ty_wheels 04-02-2020 11:36 AM
nice, some criminal find a loop hole in the system and now we all have to suffer because of that

TeamOxford 04-02-2020 11:49 AM
Getting a bit off track here, aren't we?

So, do you have a replacement engine or not?

Just wonderin'...........

TO

JFP in PA 04-02-2020 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ty_wheels (Post 614787)
nice, some criminal find a loop hole in the system and now we all have to suffer because of that
Was never the result of criminal action, but rather simple greed.

piper6909 04-02-2020 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 614783)
It has to do with new car dealerships selling information about their customers to firms that compile statistical automotive data; someone somewhere took exception to the dealerships making money off of their information without them even knowing about it. When the dealers did not share the $, and showed no inclination to stop doing it, someone file suit over who "owned" the information, and was therefore entitled to any $ associated with its dissemination or use.

A couple of the usual ambulance chasers saw a chance to make money off of this and turned the filing into a class action, where anyone that had bought a car or had it serviced was entitled to damages, which they had to share with the ambulance chasers. Because the problem crossed state lines, it became a federal legal matter, which means the ruling affects every shop in the country.

Next thing you know, your service data became akin to a national secret. This was your classical pyric victory for the car owners, as very few actually got more than lunch money out of the settlement, the industry is saddled with rules requiring secure storage protection for all customer information, which raised service costs, which were promptly added to every service invoice. Only the lawyers actually won anything of consequence...……..
Wow. And yet, IIRC, we still don't own our own DNA.

piper6909 04-02-2020 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamOxford (Post 614789)
Getting a bit off track here, aren't we?

So, do you have a replacement engine or not?

Just wonderin'...........

TO
As has been mentioned before, he'll have to check the serial number on the motor.

ty_wheels 04-02-2020 05:50 PM
TO - if you have an idea how I can see the engine serial number
w/o lifting the car, I would be happy to hear it.

Otherwise, the next time I'm around the Porsche shop I'll go in and ask
them nicely to lift the car and check

itsnotanova 04-02-2020 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamOxford (Post 614684)
I forget what style bolt head it's called, but if you see those type of bolts used throughout the motor. Then it's probably a replacement motor. it will also be free from any under body corrosion coating on the bottom. Every replacement motor I've seen was a lot cleaner than the transmission it was attached to.

ty_wheels 04-06-2020 02:51 PM
So I got under the car and verified this is a replacement engine

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1586213392.jpg

M96/23AT65466219


M96/23 = what is the 23 ?

6 = 6 Cylinder

5 = Engine Version

4 = what is that

66219 = Engine Serial Number

paulofto 04-06-2020 03:08 PM
From Wikipedia, I did simple search

986

1997–1999 2.5 L (2,480 cc) 204 PS (150 kW; 201 bhp) 245 N⋅m (181 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 "M96.20"
2000–2002 2.7 L (2,687 cc) 220 PS (162 kW; 217 bhp) 260 N⋅m (190 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 "M96.22"
2003–2004 2.7 L (2,687 cc) 228 PS (168 kW; 225 bhp) 260 N⋅m (190 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 (VarioCam) "M96.23"
2000–2002 3.2 L (3,179 cc) 252 PS (185 kW; 249 bhp) 305 N⋅m (225 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 "M96.21" (Boxster S)
2003–2004 3.2 L (3,179 cc) 260 PS (191 kW; 256 bhp) 310 N⋅m (230 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 (VarioCam) "M96.24" (Boxster S)
2004 3.2 L (3,179 cc) 265 PS (195 kW; 261 bhp) 310 N⋅m (230 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 (VarioCam) "M96.24" (Boxster S "50 Jahre 550 Spyder")
VEHICLE ENGINE TYPE MY ENGINE NO. TECHNICAL DATA [2]

BOXSTER M96.20 97 V 65V 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,5L /150 KW
BOXSTER M96.20 98 W 65W 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,5L /150 KW
BOXSTER M96.20 99 X 65X 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,5L /150 KW

BOXSTER M96.22 00 Y 65Y 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,7L /160 KW
BOXSTER M96.22 01 1 651 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,7L /162 KW
BOXSTER M96.22 02 2 652 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,7L /162 KW
BOXSTER M96.23 03 3 653 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,7L /168 KW
BOXSTER M96.23 04 4 654 00501>60000 6ZYL/2,7L /168 KW

BOXSTER "S" M96.21 00 Y 67Y 00501>60000 6ZYL/3,2L /185 KW
BOXSTER "S" M96.21 01 1 671 00501>60000 6ZYL/3,2L /185 KW
BOXSTER "S" M96.21 02 2 672 00501>60000 6ZYL/3,2L /185 KW
BOXSTER "S" M96.24 03 3 673 00501>60000 6ZYL/3,2L /191 KW
BOXSTER "S" M96.24 04 4 674 00501>60000 6ZYL/3,2L /191 KW

piper6909 04-06-2020 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by paulofto (Post 614979)
From Wikipedia, I did simple search

986

1997–1999 2.5 L (2,480 cc) 204 PS (150 kW; 201 bhp) 245 N⋅m (181 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 "M96.20"
2000–2002 2.7 L (2,687 cc) 220 PS (162 kW; 217 bhp) 260 N⋅m (190 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 "M96.22"
2003–2004 2.7 L (2,687 cc) 228 PS (168 kW; 225 bhp) 260 N⋅m (190 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 (VarioCam) "M96.23"
2000–2002 3.2 L (3,179 cc) 252 PS (185 kW; 249 bhp) 305 N⋅m (225 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 "M96.21" (Boxster S)
2003–2004 3.2 L (3,179 cc) 260 PS (191 kW; 256 bhp) 310 N⋅m (230 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 (VarioCam) "M96.24" (Boxster S)
2004 3.2 L (3,179 cc) 265 PS (195 kW; 261 bhp) 310 N⋅m (230 lbf⋅ft) water-cooled DOHC 24-valve Boxer flat-6 (VarioCam) "M96.24" (Boxster S "50 Jahre 550 Spyder")
I don't know how accurate this is, because it specs "VarioCam" on 2003 and up MY, when in reality the earlier motors have it too.

TeamOxford 04-06-2020 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ty_wheels (Post 614978)

4 = what is that
It means it's a 2004 engine.

TO

ty_wheels 04-06-2020 08:37 PM
Thanks TeamOxford,

Does this means that they replaced the original 2004 engine that failed because of the ims bearing
with another 2004 engine with the same ims bearing that could also fail ?

TeamOxford 04-06-2020 09:10 PM
It means that the original 2004 engine was replaced with a 2004 factory replacement engine. It does not mean that the original engine failed because of the IMS bearing.

But since you mentioned that "there was a line there saying :NV Wty Intermediate Shaft", then it may be safe to assume that the IMS bearing was the cause of the failure.

The replacement engine has the same IMS bearing as the original - single row.

TO

piper6909 04-07-2020 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamOxford (Post 615000)

The replacement engine has the same IMS bearing as the original - single row.

TO
Forgive me for digressing for a moment. So, 2000-2002 engines are designated M96.22 and 2003-2004 engines are M96.23. If both versions have single-row IMS bearings, what's the difference?

Number of chains?

Can an M96.23 engine replace an M96.22?

itsnotanova 04-07-2020 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 615006)
Forgive me for digressing for a moment. So, 2000-2002 engines are designated M96.22 and 2003-2004 engines are M96.23. If both versions have single-row IMS bearings, what's the difference?

Number of chains?

Can an M96.23 engine replace an M96.22?
Basically the 03+ is a three chain and 97-02 is a 5 chain. Heads are different but I believe the short block is the same

piper6909 04-07-2020 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by itsnotanova (Post 615013)
Basically the 03+ is a three chain and 97-02 is a 5 chain. Heads are different but I believe the short block is the same
Thanks. So they're not a direct swap?

itsnotanova 04-07-2020 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 615015)
Thanks. So they're not a direct swap?
Not easily

piper6909 04-07-2020 06:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by itsnotanova (Post 615017)
Not easily
OK Thank you.

ty_wheels 04-07-2020 07:56 AM
TO - are saying that although Porsche never admitted officially to this IMSB defect,
it replaced engines that were destroyed by it with same engines with same defect and did not try to fix this ?

was the LN Engineering fix already available in 2008 ?

JFP in PA 04-07-2020 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ty_wheels (Post 615022)
TO - are saying that although Porsche never admitted officially to this IMSB defect,
it replaced engines that were destroyed by it with same engines with same defect and did not try to fix this ?

was the LN Engineering fix already available in 2008 ?
Yes to both..........


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