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Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 09:12 AM

Crank case bolts tightening sequence
 
Hi All,

I`m assembling the engine housing and I was wondering if anyone knows the crank case/engine halves-bolts tightening sequence, I assume there`s a specific pattern but I couldn`t find anything about it on the web. Thanks!

Starter986 03-13-2020 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeoboxter (Post 613256)
Hi All,

I`m assembling the crankcases and I was wondering if anyone knows the crank case bolts tightening sequence, I assume there`s a specific pattern but I couldn`t find anything about it on the web. Thanks!

I found it in .69 seconds... running a general Google inquiry: 986 Boxster crankcase bolts tightening sequence

https://www.google.com/search?q=986+boxster+crankcase+bolts+tightening+se quence&rlz=1C1CHWL_enUS826US826&oq=986+boxster+cra nkcase+bolts+tightening+sequence&aqs=chrome..69i57 j69i60.6290j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Hope it helps. :cheers:

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 613257)

Yeah, this part is done already and I found these too. Sorry, I wasn`t clear, I meant the engine case halves, not the main bearing housing, or carrier. They are bolted with a bunch of M6 bolts.

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 613257)

I rephrased the post, I hope it`s more clear now.

78F350 03-13-2020 12:18 PM

Is this what you want? Note: I will probably delete these pics from Flickr after a day or two.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...581b862c_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8dd51bcb_b.jpg

Oops, left off the last pic when I first posted:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b7757475_b.jpg

Starter986 03-13-2020 01:32 PM

HB, it looks like you've been pointed in the right direction by one of our wiser-minds.

Best wishes getting all together! :cheers:

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 613270)
Is this what you want? Note: I will probably delete these pics from Flickr after a day or two.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...581b862c_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8dd51bcb_b.jpg

Oops, left off the last pic when I first posted:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b7757475_b.jpg

Exactly, thanks!
The manual mentions an illustration of where exactly to apply the silicone bead, can you post that too if possible? How can you get this manual btw? Thanks again.

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 613275)
HB, it looks like you've been pointed in the right direction by one of our wiser-minds.

Best wishes getting all together! :cheers:

Yep! Thanks!

78F350 03-13-2020 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeoboxter (Post 613283)
Exactly, thanks!
The manual mentions an illustration of where exactly to apply the silicone bead, can you post that too if possible? How can you get this manual btw? Thanks again.

I'll find/post the other illustration tomorrow.
I found my set of manuals on local Craigslist about five years ago. There's usually a couple on eBay, but its not cheap:
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1584144849.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-99-Boxster-Boxster-S-Factory-Workshop-Manuals/283699713245?hash=item420dd214dd:g:ZZEAAOSwGIVd6Em 3

There's also some copies that you can download scattered across the internet. Porsche stopped updating this version years ago, but for most tasks it's the best source of info, outside of having a dealership subscription.

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 08:05 PM

That`s insane. Thanks for posting the illustration, I appreciate it.

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 08:31 PM

Nevermind, I found it. It`s for the 987 but it`s the same I guess.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1584160094.jpg

Homeoboxter 03-13-2020 09:13 PM

Oh, I found it in a Rennlist thread, just in case someone else needs it, I hope the original poster wouldn`t mind.
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-forum/1118163-does-anyone-have-a-really-good-987-repair-manual-they-can-recommend.html

Homeoboxter 03-14-2020 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 613286)
I'll find/post the other illustration tomorrow.
I found my set of manuals on local Craigslist about five years ago. There's usually a couple on eBay, but its not cheap:
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1584144849.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-99-Boxster-Boxster-S-Factory-Workshop-Manuals/283699713245?hash=item420dd214dd:g:ZZEAAOSwGIVd6Em 3

There's also some copies that you can download scattered across the internet. Porsche stopped updating this version years ago, but for most tasks it's the best source of info, outside of having a dealership subscription.

Now that I`m looking at this 987 factory manual, looks like the connecting rod specs are different from what I used on my 2.5 engine. I have a chart with all torque settings that I found here on the forum, and it was a bit confusing because there were two angles listed, 90 and 110 degrees after the 20Nm tightening, I had a thread about it a few weeks back. If you still have the chance, would you mind looking at the conrod bolt tightening specs in your manual? Unfortunately I couldn`t find the manual for the 2.5 Boxster. Thank you for your time!

78F350 03-14-2020 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeoboxter (Post 613318)
Now that I`m looking at this 987 factory manual, looks like the connecting rod specs are different from what I used on my 2.5 engine. I have a chart with all torque settings that I found here on the forum, and it was a bit confusing because there were two angles listed, 90 and 110 degrees after the 20Nm tightening, I had a thread about it a few weeks back. If you still have the chance, would you mind looking at the conrod bolt tightening specs in your manual? Unfortunately I couldn`t find the manual for the 2.5 Boxster. Thank you for your time!

For the silicone bead, my manual shows the same path, but mirror image (opposite side).

For the rod bolts on a 2.5L, I expect that 90* is fine, but:

There is a table that shows all the engine bolt torques for the M96/20 2.5L, M96/21 3.2L, and M96/22 2.7L supplement 42 dated from 2000 says,
"Connecting rod screws with connecting-rod designation...7R
Initial tightening: 20 (15)
Final tightening: 1x90*

Connecting rod screws with connecting-rod designation...7R
Initial tightening: 20 (15)
Final tightening: 1x110*"

(yes, it says the same thing for both sections except for the final tightening. Is the 7R a typo in one of them?)
__________________________________

There is a table that shows all the engine bolt torques for the M96/23 2.7L and M96/24 3.2L supplement 64 dated from 2003 says, "Con-rod bolts (replace): initial tightening + final tightening || 20 (15) + 110* torque angle."
__________________________________

In the section that details the work, supplement 18 printed in 1998, it says:
(following initial tightening to 20 NM)
"2. Final tightening 1 x 90* turn"

Homeoboxter 03-14-2020 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 613327)
For the silicone bead, my manual shows the same path, but mirror image (opposite side).

For the rod bolts on a 2.5L, I expect that 90* is fine, but:

There is a table that shows all the engine bolt torques for the M96/20 2.5L, M96/21 3.2L, and M96/22 2.7L supplement 42 dated from 2000 says,
"Connecting rod screws with connecting-rod designation...7R
Initial tightening: 20 (15)
Final tightening: 1x90*

Connecting rod screws with connecting-rod designation...7R
Initial tightening: 20 (15)
Final tightening: 1x110*"

(yes, it says the same thing for both sections except for the final tightening. Is the 7R a typo in one of them?)
__________________________________

There is a table that shows all the engine bolt torques for the M96/23 2.7L and M96/24 3.2L supplement 64 dated from 2003 says, "Con-rod bolts (replace): initial tightening + final tightening || 20 (15) + 110* torque angle."
__________________________________

In the section that details the work, supplement 18 printed in 1998, it says:
(following initial tightening to 20 NM)
"2. Final tightening 1 x 90* turn"



Thanks. Yes, it`s the same confusion regarding "7R" that we tried to disentangle in a previous thread. Strange though, because I think the 2.5 and 2.7 rod bolts are the same (at least they are listed for all years), but the newer models` bolts need 110*. So they just increased the clamping force (from 90 to 110) in the newer models without changing the bolts?

Also, the 987 manual`s respective section says the bolts should be angle-tightened twice:

"First, screw in connecting rod bolts to the required torque and tighten to the specified torque angle. Then loosen the bolts again. The final tightening is performed again with an initial tightening per the torque and the concluding tightening is performed with the torque angle wrench. --> Initial tightening: 20 (15 ftlb.) Nm ; -->
Torque angle, final tightening: 110 ° "

What a mess.


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