986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners (http://986forum.com/forums/index.php)
-   Boxster General Discussions (http://986forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
-   -   Triple square socket?? (http://986forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74509)

NewArt 02-04-2019 05:58 PM

Triple square socket??
 
Good grief, where does one find this m10 socket used to undo the bolts on the crankshaft cradle as well as the conrods? Maybe I’m not using the right search words. All I can find is the internal bits , no external sockets. :confused:

356Guy 02-04-2019 06:16 PM

I didn't know there was such a thing. Its not 12 point?

The Radium King 02-04-2019 06:21 PM

12 point or xzn.

NewArt 02-04-2019 06:22 PM

Maybe. Is triple square not 12 point?

The Radium King 02-04-2019 06:27 PM

triple square = 12 point = xzn. different search terms for you to use.

NewArt 02-04-2019 06:33 PM

Aha! How about “spline” socket!

356Guy 02-04-2019 07:16 PM

All I seen them referred to then is 12 point
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.12-inch-drive-10mm-12-point-metric-standard-socket.1000787512.html

JFP in PA 02-05-2019 01:40 AM

.............................

Smallblock454 02-05-2019 03:32 AM

2 Attachment(s)
German term is Innenvielzahl

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/XZN

NewArt 02-05-2019 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 356Guy (Post 588538)

Thanks for the link. Guess I was overthinking this.:rolleyes:

WillH 02-05-2019 08:54 AM

UAP have a nice set. There are a few places and sizes where these are needed on these cars.

maytag 02-05-2019 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillH (Post 588547)
UAP have a nice set. There are a few places and sizes where these are needed on these cars.

Mercedes uses these EVERYWHERE..... it's always nice to have a good set in the tool chest.

A8ked 02-05-2019 11:11 AM

Harbor Tool has them.

SlowernOlder 02-05-2019 01:47 PM

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JF5FAHO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&ps c=1

NewArt 02-05-2019 02:32 PM

To end all confusion, I was referring to an external socket, not a triple square or xzn bit like Markus showed. What I have found is either a 12 point socket or a spline socket. I bought a 12 point 10mm at Home Depot and it works fine. Here's 2 pix:

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1549409468.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1549409494.jpg

:)

BOOTLEG 02-06-2019 03:13 AM

I have the tool but am considering during re-assembly, just replacing that bolt with something more conventional - HEX etc. Never understood why the P Engineers put it there in the fist place. Anybody know?

PaulE 02-06-2019 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOOTLEG (Post 588582)
I have the tool but am considering during re-assembly, just replacing that bolt with something more conventional - HEX etc. Never understood why the P Engineers put it there in the fist place. Anybody know?

My guesses are that the 12 points provide more gripping surface and more likely, that it speeds assembly with the automated and power tools used on the assembly line. The socket will engage the bolt that much faster if the most it has to turn is 1/12 of a turn to line up the socket and the bolt head. Doesn't sound like much but multiplied by the number of those bolts in the assembly and the number of assemblies made in a given time period it adds up.

The Radium King 02-06-2019 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulE (Post 588600)
My guesses are that the 12 points provide more gripping surface and more likely, that it speeds assembly with the automated and power tools used on the assembly line. The socket will engage the bolt that much faster if the most it has to turn is 1/12 of a turn to line up the socket and the bolt head. Doesn't sound like much but multiplied by the number of those bolts in the assembly and the number of assemblies made in a given time period it adds up.

it's like the fasteners on my car hauler trailer - on first look they are an 8-point and i was trying to figure out wtf i would do about that, until i realised that a robertson would fit perfect - designed for quicker assembly.

porsche does seem a little screwy with their fasteners. how many different fasteners used to hold a transmission on? and if you try to get a clutch off, why the heck did they use allan head fasteners that strip out immediately when torque applied (note to bootleg - not sure what the torques are on those internal fasteners, but choose carefully if torques are large or there is any opportunity for them to seize in place - heat, differing metal types)?

Smallblock454 02-06-2019 12:39 PM

Don't know if Proxxon is available in the US. In Germany this is a medium cost good quality brand.

I have two sets:
PROXXON 23102
PROXXON 23296

Serves the most DIY conditions.

Regards, Markus


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:37 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website