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MPDano 05-08-2018 07:52 PM

New here. Just got a 2001 986 S with 142 on the clock
 
Hello all. Glad to be here.

I just got my first Boxster S that has 142K. Oil is bit black so gonna do an oil change and filter.

Going to use 5/40 Rotella T6 and a Mann filter. Is this a good choice?

Also, might as well do the plugs as well. NGK BKR-6-EIX-INT. Is this a good choice as well? I have always used NGK on my Bmw and Benzos.

Thanks all in advance!

Leo

dghii 05-08-2018 08:57 PM

Congrats and enjoy your car. Oil and filter are your choice. All good (within reason) as long as you change often. NGK plugs are fine. Lots of folks using Bosch and others as well. Inspect your coils for cracks while doing the job and don't over torque when you put stuff back together!

MPDano 05-09-2018 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dghii (Post 569871)
Congrats and enjoy your car. Oil and filter are your choice. All good (within reason) as long as you change often. NGK plugs are fine. Lots of folks using Bosch and others as well. Inspect your coils for cracks while doing the job and don't over torque when you put stuff back together!

Thanks for the reply. Which Bosch are ones are you using? Want to use what you pros use. Like I said, new to me car so want to get it right the first time.

MPDano 05-09-2018 04:36 AM

Read some threads and it looks like Bosch 7413's

kk2002s 05-09-2018 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dghii (Post 569871)
Congrats and enjoy your car. Oil and filter are your choice. All good (within reason) as long as you change often. NGK plugs are fine. Lots of folks using Bosch and others as well. Inspect your coils for cracks while doing the job and don't over torque when you put stuff back together!

+1 on above. Don't get lost in the weeds of all the opinions and options out there. Sticking with the OEM speced replacements will work just fine and doing so on a reasonable maintenance schedule
Definitely check those coil packs for cracks. They do crack. I had 3 of 6 cracked under 95k miles.
Check the plug tubes for oil leaking as well. It's all in the same place
You may want to replace your oil filter canister as well as there is a relieve spring in there that can age. Cheap part even though it is a Porsche replacement (My only actual Porsche replacement part)

And let the fun begin

MPDano 05-09-2018 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kk2002s (Post 569890)
+1 on above. Don't get lost in the weeds of all the opinions and options out there. Sticking with the OEM speced replacements will work just fine and doing so on a reasonable maintenance schedule
Definitely check those coil packs for cracks. They do crack. I had 3 of 6 cracked under 95k miles.
Check the plug tubes for oil leaking as well. It's all in the same place
You may want to replace your oil filter canister as well as there is a relieve spring in there that can age. Cheap part even though it is a Porsche replacement (My only actual Porsche replacement part)

And let the fun begin

Roger that. Will buy a new canister as well.

Toyotaandporsche 05-09-2018 08:05 AM

I have a 2001 s, that i have only had 6 months. I used Mobil 1 0- 40 with a Hengst filter. That is what previous owner used, so I decided to continue with same

MPDano 05-09-2018 08:10 PM

Well, looks like I have other issues. Since I am waiting on parts I ordered from Pelican. I gave the old girl a detail. Looked in the coolant reservoir and saw milky stuff. Yup, oil in the coolant. I know this can be multiple things, but is there a known issue on these boxsters? Here are some pics of the brownish milky residue in my coolant cap and reservoir.

Also, what seems to be the reservoir overflow tube hanging under the right front part of the engine was leaking coolant everywhere after a test drive.

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Anker 05-10-2018 03:46 AM

The oil cooler is the obvious place to start. If it were my car I'd simply replace it.

Jamesp 05-10-2018 04:05 AM

Oil cooler is the best case for oil in the coolant because it's the cheapest and easiest. Cracked head will get you there too. I've also seen threads on accidently pouring oil in the coolant as the caps are so close. Browse this forum and you will find a lot of information. Head gaskets typically don't fail in these cars so that would be a long shot.

Cunningr 05-10-2018 04:24 AM

As far as the over flow you noticed, the coolant cap can cause that to happen. Failed or If you cross thread it not tight enough, can cause some issues.

MPDano 05-10-2018 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Anker (Post 569980)
The oil cooler is the obvious place to start. If it were my car I'd simply replace it.

Thanks for that.

MPDano 05-10-2018 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 569983)
Oil cooler is the best case for oil in the coolant because it's the cheapest and easiest. Cracked head will get you there too. I've also seen threads on accidently pouring oil in the coolant as the caps are so close. Browse this forum and you will find a lot of information. Head gaskets typically don't fail in these cars so that would be a long shot.

Was thinking this too, but I would think clean oil wouldn't turn dark brown like that. Hence why I thinking of intermixing.

MPDano 05-10-2018 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningr (Post 569986)
As far as the over flow you noticed, the coolant cap can cause that to happen. Failed or If you cross thread it not tight enough, can cause some issues.

It's definitely tight as it's not leaking in the trunk. I'll replace the cap anyways. Good call.

MPDano 05-10-2018 05:32 AM

Going to order the oil cooler and cap. Is there anything else I need to order, like what else gets removed where I may need to replace more gaskets, etc?

robdelorenzo 05-10-2018 06:18 AM

yes....order a second mortgage, you now own a Boxster!
Just kidding, they are the so fun to drive that the occasional headache and wallet emptying are worth it!
This forum will help save you thousands of dollars, the gents on here are most helpful!

Jamesp 05-10-2018 08:43 AM

If this were mine I would not throw an oil cooler at it. I'd drain the coolant, flush the system a couple times with distilled water, and then run it up to 185 degrees with distilled water only to see if the oil returns. You'll have to watch the temp as water does not cool as well as water coolant mixture. If the oil stays gone then you have the data point that it appears to be the last person contaminated the coolant. If it comes back. I'd remove the oil cooler and pressure test it with air before buying a new one.

thstone 05-10-2018 10:25 AM

I'm with James - before you start throwing parts at it, do a pressure test of the coolant system. That will help to identify where the problem is. If the test points to the oil cooler, then remove it and pressure test it.

MPDano 05-10-2018 05:50 PM

I went and bought the Harbor Freight Cooling Pressure tester. The black adapter worked perfect. Put 12 psi (cap pressure) and it held with no leaking. I even removed the oil cap if that makes a difference.

Is it possible I just have a bad cap and the PO put oil in the overflow tank by mistake?

What are your thoughts guys?

https://youtu.be/5IYbhv-xGpw

Geof3 05-10-2018 06:02 PM

I'm a little confused by the pictures. When you opened the cap, did you then see all the gunk? It looks as though there is no coolant in the tank at all? Or, had it been drained? IF there is no coolant in the tank, or hasn't been, that seems very odd. Sometimes, a cap can get white/brownish gunk as you see from condensation. Notorious in my Jeep, totally harmless, just means I need to drive it harder. Not sure if the Boxster has this issue potentially or not. I agree with the rest, no matter what route you take, you need to flush the snot out of your coolant system, until the entire system runs completely clear, then test from there.

MPDano 05-10-2018 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Geof3 (Post 570043)
I'm a little confused by the pictures. When you opened the cap, did you then see all the gunk? It looks as though there is no coolant in the tank at all? Or, had it been drained? IF there is no coolant in the tank, or hasn't been, that seems very odd. Sometimes, a cap can get white/brownish gunk as you see from condensation. Notorious in my Jeep, totally harmless, just means I need to drive it harder. Not sure if the Boxster has this issue potentially or not. I agree with the rest, no matter what route you take, you need to flush the snot out of your coolant system, until the entire system runs completely clear, then test from there.

Yeah, pic was taken after the test drive and coolant leaked right out the overflow tube under the engine. I tried to post a video but for some reason it says it needs a moderator approval.

MPDano 05-10-2018 06:17 PM

Anyways, I'll just post text and not a video. I bought the Harbor Freight Cooling Pressure Tester and the black adapter fit perfect. Pressurized to 12 psi (same as stock overflow cap psi) and it held. The video I took of it holding 12 psi steady for a minute. I even took off the oil cap just to make sure I wasn't sealing it. Same same, no leaking and had it hold for 10 more minutes.

I am thinking the PO put oil in the overflow tank and at the same time the overflow cap is bad.

Your thoughts?

Jamesp 05-11-2018 05:03 AM

I'd go with the accidental contam theory, and perform the multi flush and distilled water test. It's the cheapest and easiest way to start, and you might resolve the problem for the cost of a few gallons of distilled water. Kroger sells it cheap.

MPDano 05-11-2018 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 570067)
I'd go with the accidental contam theory, and perform the multi flush and distilled water test. It's the cheapest and easiest way to start, and you might resolve the problem for the cost of a few gallons of distilled water. Kroger sells it cheap.

Exactly what I am thinking. But why use distilled for just flushing? When my Yukon got trans fluid contamination, the trans shop used simple green and water to flush out the system. I was thinking purple power as it's a great degreaser. Just run it thru with tap water with car running to warm it up, heater on of course to get the heater core. Maybe do this a few times and clean out the overflow too. After it's clean, then fill it up with the recommended coolant 50/50.

It's just the process I was thinking. Also, since this is the first mid engine I ever worked on, is there a bottom hose on the radiator? I am assuming in front of the car? Please disregard the noobness in my questions. :)

MPDano 05-11-2018 05:52 AM

Video of pressure testing.

https://youtu.be/5IYbhv-xGpw

Jamesp 05-11-2018 05:57 AM

There is a drain plug in the bottom. As i recall its an 8 or 10 mm allen screw. Looks like a little round metal button on the aluminum tube manifold under and in front of the engine. Using detergent will greatly increase the cleaning, but it can also foam. I'm not sure how that behaves in a water pump. You'll want to make sure there is no detergent left in the cooling system when you are done if you go that route. If you do use detergent please take photos and let us know how it goes.

MPDano 05-11-2018 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 570072)
There is a drain plug in the bottom. As i recall its an 8 or 10 mm allen screw. Looks like a little round metal button on the aluminum tube manifold under and in front of the engine. Using detergent will greatly increase the cleaning, but it can also foam. I'm not sure how that behaves in a water pump. You'll want to make sure there is no detergent left in the cooling system when you are done if you go that route. If you do use detergent please take photos and let us know how it goes.

It seems that the purple power versus simple green came up a lot in google. Consensus seems to go with Simple Green HD. If the pros at my trans shop uses it, it must be the way to go. Yes, I saw a video of where all the hose connectors and that drain plug near the thermostat in a video. Going to also change out the thermostat and housing as well. A lot easier to do while all the coolant is out. I'm going to remove the thermostat and then do the flush, this way nothing is blocking the flow while it warms up. Pics for sure will come.

Geof3 05-11-2018 11:45 AM

Pretty sure I've seen it mentioned here, to NOT use any detergents in the flush. (maybe search) There are tons of nooks and crannies in these systems, and seems the best advice is to use simple distilled water. Also, unless you vacuum fill the system, you need to know the bleeding/burping procedure to get all the air bubbles out of the system.

Quadcammer 05-11-2018 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geof3 (Post 570043)
I'm a little confused by the pictures. When you opened the cap, did you then see all the gunk? It looks as though there is no coolant in the tank at all? Or, had it been drained? IF there is no coolant in the tank, or hasn't been, that seems very odd. Sometimes, a cap can get white/brownish gunk as you see from condensation. Notorious in my Jeep, totally harmless, just means I need to drive it harder. Not sure if the Boxster has this issue potentially or not. I agree with the rest, no matter what route you take, you need to flush the snot out of your coolant system, until the entire system runs completely clear, then test from there.

That is applicable to the oil fill cap, not the coolant

MPDano 05-12-2018 06:43 AM

Just curious and still learning. Although I did the cooling system leak test, exactly what does it diagnose on our cars? I know the obvious like a leaking overflow tank, hoses, but what else does it diagnose?

jdlmodelt 05-12-2018 06:25 PM

I did that with mine shortly after purchasing. Your coolant cap isn't sealing properly and when the coolant gets hot it overflows and drains through that little hose to the ground.




Quote:

Originally Posted by MPDano (Post 569961)
Well, looks like I have other issues. Since I am waiting on parts I ordered from Pelican. I gave the old girl a detail. Looked in the coolant reservoir and saw milky stuff. Yup, oil in the coolant. I know this can be multiple things, but is there a known issue on these boxsters? Here are some pics of the brownish milky residue in my coolant cap and reservoir.

Also, what seems to be the reservoir overflow tube hanging under the right front part of the engine was leaking coolant everywhere after a test drive.




http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525925260.jpg


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525925305.jpg


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525925336.jpg


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525925401.jpg


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525925439.jpg


MPDano 05-12-2018 08:00 PM

Ok, did a single flush, put about a cup of simple green in the overflow, mostly to break down the oil in there. Also, did the oil change and filter/cover, thermostat/housing, cabin filter and new spark plugs. Still got some gunk in the coolant but I'll do another flush later.

You can see a lot of oil gunk pieces floating around when I drained it. You can see how bad the gunk was in the old thermostat. Also noticed no washing of any of the spark plugs, which is a good thing.

Spent about an hour zipping around my neighborhood and one the main roads I was able to punch it. Got up to 60 real fast, these little cars are peppy and the handling is pretty awesome. The night was about 65 degrees but the Boxster never got above 180 during the test run.

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dghii 05-12-2018 08:21 PM

Keep flushing! Certainly worth a shot. Sure hope it works for you.

MPDano 05-12-2018 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dghii (Post 570213)
Keep flushing! Certainly worth a shot. Sure hope it works for you.

Yes, will do. The gunk is old oil as you can tell by the color.


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